OTopic kinda.............Yet it would be amazing to see her underway on her own power agian!

I'm in the Philly area so I've been keeping my ear to the ground about good news for the old gal. I think this is awesome, and I'd totally love to take a spin in such a classic, once she's all done. One of the reasons why I love DCL so much is the classic look of their ships, and those beautiful vintage-inspired touches. Hopefully they retain some of those classic elements in this renovation.
 
She has no props. Good new is that one is on The Intrepid and I'll see it in October!
http://www.ssusc.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/SSUSPropellers.pdf



Thank you. I lost track since in the last 10 years ago, a lot of the museum ships, are pulling the props off the ships for 1 reason or another. I know that the Intrepid has her outboard props pulled due to the issue of getting her off the pier the last time to go to drydock. I think the Massachusetts also had her props pulled probably for the same reason.
 
I don't remember if they did or did not donate the props. Very possible though


The bottom picture just above, was taken during a Tugboat strike n NY. The Commodore (Captain), decided to bring the United States in with out tugboats. Remember he did this without any bow or stern thrusters. He layed the starboard bow near/on the corner of the pier, put out lines and warped her around and into the slip. A remarkable bit of American seamanship.


AKK


That's old school getting in to a pier. I wonder how many of todays Capts would even think of a maneuver like that? I want to say one of the QEIIs Capts did something similar about the same time.
 
That's old school getting in to a pier. I wonder how many of todays Capts would even think of a maneuver like that? I want to say one of the QEIIs Capts did something similar about the same time.

It is old school, however not with liners that big. I Agree, I don't think any Captains would try it today

Now that you mention I think your right, but it was the Queen Mary?

AKK
 


Very interesting stuff, Tonka's Skipper. I had just seen a blurb about this on Yahoo news. Hopefully she gets her full makeover back to her former grandeur and gets to go back to sea.
 
It is old school, however not with liners that big. I Agree, I don't think any Captains would try it today

Now that you mention I think your right, but it was the Queen Mary?

AKK

Could be. I know its one of the mid Queens.
 


Truck, What do you think for repowering her?

Not steam of course, but the new Gas (NLG) units look promising.


AKK
Not a bad idea. The only thing that I would see as a roadblock, is the weight that the ship loses between the bunker tanks, existing engines and associated gear. Not sure if the LNG would provide enough weight to not change her cog too much. Otherwise, they'll have to add ballast somewhere. As long as they stay away from the new turbines, it doesn't seem like a bad idea on the surface.
 
Here, for those interested, is a great old and new article on the *BIG U*:

http://www.classicliners.net/untitled2.html


Here are a few photos of her

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I say this in absolute jest just because I love the Fantasy so much.......Maybe DCL should buy her from Crystal to replace the Fantasy after her problems from the weekend!!

Actually, I think it would be amazing to sail that ship after a complete overhaul. One of my business partners has a 1966 Lincoln Continental convertible that is restored to exact original, it is so much fun to cruise around in that thing. I wound imagine the same would hold true for a classic ship like that.

A question for @truck1 and @Tonka's Skipper, why do the ships of today not cruise at the speeds she was capable of doing?
 
I say this in absolute jest just because I love the Fantasy so much.......Maybe DCL should buy her from Crystal to replace the Fantasy after her problems from the weekend!!

Actually, I think it would be amazing to sail that ship after a complete overhaul. One of my business partners has a 1966 Lincoln Continental convertible that is restored to exact original, it is so much fun to cruise around in that thing. I wound imagine the same would hold true for a classic ship like that.

A question for @truck1 and @Tonka's Skipper, why do the ships of today not cruise at the speeds she was capable of doing?

Hi club,

The answer is simple..........costs!

Today's cruise ship are designed to run at/about 20 to 25 knots. Diesel engines are slow speed and are a ideal balance of economy and the provide the speed the cruise lines want. I would guess today cruise ships burn about 60 tons a today,
Or +\- $25,000


The United States and most of those old classic liners wanted speed to get across the Atlantic fast, carrying as many passingers as possible.

That is lots of boilers , burning at at start, lots of tons of coal and then converted to lots of heavy black 6 oil. The *Big U* had I believe 16 boilers, and likely burned. Around 300 tons a day at high speed that about $100,000. To $150,000 per day today's prices.

They also wanted to win the Blue Ribban, which was awarded to the faster liners.

The United States was The last true liner to hold the Blue Ribban. After her the costs for speed were just much.
 
Hi club,

The answer is simple..........costs!

Today's cruise ship are designed to run at/about 20 to 25 knots. Diesel engines are slow speed and are a ideal balance of economy and the provide the speed the cruise lines want. I would guess today cruise ships burn about 60 tons a today,
Or +\- $25,000


The United States and most of those old classic liners wanted speed to get across the Atlantic fast, carrying as many passingers as possible.

That is lots of boilers , burning at at start, lots of tons of coal and then converted to lots of heavy black 6 oil. The *Big U* had I believe 16 boilers, and likely burned. Around 300 tons a day at high speed that about $100,000. To $150,000 per day today's prices.

They also wanted to win the Blue Ribban, which was awarded to the faster liners.

The United States was The last true liner to hold the Blue Ribban. After her the costs for speed were just much.
Thank you, I knew you'd have a great answer.
 
Hi club,

The answer is simple..........costs!

Today's cruise ship are designed to run at/about 20 to 25 knots. Diesel engines are slow speed and are a ideal balance of economy and the provide the speed the cruise lines want. I would guess today cruise ships burn about 60 tons a today,
Or +\- $25,000


The United States and most of those old classic liners wanted speed to get across the Atlantic fast, carrying as many passingers as possible.

That is lots of boilers , burning at at start, lots of tons of coal and then converted to lots of heavy black 6 oil. The *Big U* had I believe 16 boilers, and likely burned. Around 300 tons a day at high speed that about $100,000. To $150,000 per day today's prices.

They also wanted to win the Blue Ribban, which was awarded to the faster liners.

The United States was The last true liner to hold the Blue Ribban. After her the costs for speed were just much.

The only thing I would add is back in the day before the advent of jets and planes, the only way to cross the Atlantic was by ship. The company that had the fastest and most elegant ships had bragging rights. The Titanic for example, had 4 funnels but only 3 functioned. It gave the impression of power and speed. One of the suppositions is that when she hit the iceberg, she was trying to set a record and be sitting at the pier in NY before her scheduled time. The Atlantic Blue Ribban was an added bonus. Once planes started to cross the Atlantic profitably, it was a death nel for liners. The only liners that still do it on a regular basis are the Queens from Cunard. Even that though is more pleasure then business Today cruises are for pleasure not business as they once were.
 
This is exciting news. I live in the philly area and have been routing for this classic lady for years. I so hope they carry through. I would actually "cheat" on DCL to sail on the United States.
 
Looks like someone is trying to have a replica of the Titanic called the Titanic II built in China. I tried to add the link but was not able to.http://www.irishcentral.com/culture...-to-sail-in-2018-says-Aussie-billionaire.html


This fellow is doing it now. I believe they have started and were said to be done in 2 years. She will have all the modern convinces, and lifeboats and life saving gear. Now that said, there are no photos out there showing construction, so I am , like Truck 1 wondering if its real.

AKK
 
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This fellow is doing it now. I believe they have started and were said to be done in 2 years. She will have all the modern convinces, and lifeboats and life saving gear. Now that said, there are no photos out there showing construction, so I am , like Truck 1 wondering if its real.

AKK
Just for giggles I looked. I can't find anything where he has contracted with a yard and has actual dates. Most of the info I can find suggests the project is either abandoned or close to it, aND the web site hasnt been updated i 2 years.His trademark for Blue Star line has been set to abndoned, the yard that supposedly is building jas to make a lot of changes to even build her as they done even have a drydock let alone a contract. They launch ships sideways, and even her launch cruise changed from South Hampton to China. One of the other suppositions is that he is having cash flow problems as he is selling some per al items like his plane and his 2 most profitable business are losing big money. To the tune his net worth dropped by 1.7 billion
 
The original engine and boiler plant was built to be the same as the nuclear Carrier Enterprise, except the *BIG U* was oil fired. The purpose was to test the over plant design and operation.
Interesting. I have an old friend who is a naval architect and sailed as a cheng on the banana boats in a prior life. He said that the power train was the same as the Forrestall Class carriers. Perhaps they were similar except for the teapot?
 
Interesting. I have an old friend who is a naval architect and sailed as a cheng on the banana boats in a prior life. He said that the power train was the same as the Forrestall Class carriers. Perhaps they were similar except for the teapot?

Hi OKW,

We studied that is was the Enterprise, because she was to be the 1st nuke Carrier and they want to check on the systems and how the design of the over plant worked. I maybe wrong but I don't think so.



AKK
 

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