OTopic kinda.............Yet it would be amazing to see her underway on her own power agian!

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SS United States gets a lifeline from Crystal Cruises (**updated**)

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SS United States languishes in Philadelphia (Photo: SS United States Conservancy)



Update adds comments and detail from Edie Rodriguez.

Crystal Cruises has signed a purchase option to acquire the world's fastest ocean liner, the SS United States, with plans to restore her and put her into service, sailing the world.

The company would spend at least $700m 'and probably a lot more,' to bring the 1952-built steamship into working order, Crystal president and ceo Edie Rodriguez told Seatrade Cruise News. Pending numerous matters, the earliest that could be is mid-2018, she estimated.

'She is an icon and so much a part of the American fabric and history,' Rodriguez said, noting that four US presidents had sailed aboard. 'Our industry would be remiss if we let her go. We want to restore her, to the extent possible.'

Rodriguez compared the liner to classic hotels like The Plaza in New York or the Art Deco gems on Miami's South Beach that were 'crumbling, and look at how fabulous they are now—the chicest resorts around.'

First steps will be work with the Environmental Protection Agency to ensure no dangerous substances remain, plus a feasibility study to include whether and how the vessel could comply with SOLAS regulations. Crystal has already hired retired US Coast Guard Rear Adm. Tim Sullivan to work with its marine and technical department.

Tan Sri KT Lim, the chairman and ceo of Genting Hong Kong, Crystal's parent, agreed it would be a shame to see the ship scrapped, Rodriguez said.

Genting HK's acquisition of the vessel would be coming full circle.

Thirteen years ago, when Genting HK was Norwegian Cruise Line's sole owner, NCL ceo Colin Veitch led a bold initiative to revive US-flag cruising in Hawaii. In 2003, NCL acquired the United States, aspiring to return the liner to service.

And back then Lloyd Werft, the shipyard Genting HK now owns, had been expected to handle the interior refurbishment work for the vessel, which left commercial operation in 1969. According to Rodriguez, it's too early to consider where any work might be carried out now.

NCL had talked of converting the United States into a modern vessel that would offer mainland US itineraries. That plan, like many others, faced steep challenges.

Shattering the trans-Atlantic speed record in 1952, the year of her launch, the United States became a symbol of US national pride.

The Blue Riband-winning time of three days, 10 hours and 40 minutes (average speed: 35.59 knots) shaved a full 10 hours off Queen Mary's mark.

Designed by top naval architect William Francis Gibbs, the United States was built for $79m at Newport News with an eye toward military conversion if needed. According to the SS United States Foundation, 'The design characteristics encompassing the United States read straight out of a James Bond novel, many remaining classified by the Navy well into the late '70s.'

Yet the United States fell victim to the rise of trans-Atlantic jumbo jet service and in 1969, the liner was mothballed at Newport News. A decade later, Seattle real estate developer Richard Hadley paid MARAD $5m with plans to turn the vessel into a time-share, but his United States Cruises Inc. went bankrupt in 1992.

Marmara Marine, Inc., controlled by Kahraman Sadikoglu, stepped in to save her from the scrap heap with a $2.6m bid and towed United States to Istanbul for refurbishment. The late cruise industry veteran Fred Mayer, Marmara's US front man, estimated work would cost up to $160m. Speaking to Seatrade in 1992, Mayer said the 50,924gt United States could carry 2,400 passengers and 'it has to be put in a mass market, maybe New York, maybe the Caribbean.'

From Turkey, the vessel went to Ukraine for asbestos removal before being towed to Philadelphia Naval Yard, her home until now. Sadikoglu dropped the project, which was assumed by real estate investor Edward Cantor. Cantor rejected proposals including one that would have transformed the United States into a floating convention hotel in New York City. NCL purchased the liner from Cantor's estate for an undisclosed price.

After NCL, the liner has been owned by the SS United States Conservancy, and efforts to save it waged on.

The late maritime historian John Maxtone-Graham, author of 'SS United States: Red, White & Blue Riband, Forever' (2014) once told Seatrade Cruise News the liner was over-engined for its size and made the first extensive use of aluminum so it was like a sprinter with powerful legs and a lean torso.
 
It will be really interesting to see if they follow thru on the plans. There talking close to a billion to get her up and running,(700 plus) assuming, they can get her up to modern SOLAS. For a billion, they could build a Dream class ship.
 
I suspect that the ship will be fully gutted, the outside replaced and the whole thing rebuit. It will maintain the original shape, size, and name. But at some point it will not be what it was. See Theseus' paradox.
 
I will have to show this to my ship-loving DS. My DH found a double set of playing cards (SS United States and SS America) and gave it DS last weekend. He has been researching the ships ever since.
 


I suspect that the ship will be fully gutted, the outside replaced and the whole thing rebuit. It will maintain the original shape, size, and name. But at some point it will not be what it was. See Theseus' paradox.


She is pretty well gutted, the interior is stripped down to steel and aluminum and all the asbestos removed.

One total engine/turbine and boiler room was removed, leaving 1 set to still be removed and in any case they would be changing over to diesel or just maybe gas turbine.

The original engine and boiler plant was built to be the same as the nuclear Carrier Enterprise, except the *BIG U* was oil fired. The purpose was to test the over plant design and operation.

I did see one mock up, showing additional upper decks added, similar to todays cruise ships. The one big difference was keeping the lines of that beautiful hull and keeping it painted black, not unlike the present DCL vessels. The mock up also had the United States Line stacks and livery.

AKK
 
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I will have to show this to my ship-loving DS. My DH found a double set of playing cards (SS United States and SS America) and gave it DS last weekend. He has been researching the ships ever since.

Sounds like good timing!....


Sadly the America, was under tow a number of years ago, the tow wire broke and she ended up breaking up on a rocky coast. She was a really pretty classic lined ship.


AKK
 
It will be really interesting to see if they follow thru on the plans. There talking close to a billion to get her up and running,(700 plus) assuming, they can get her up to modern SOLAS. For a billion, they could build a Dream class ship.


You really have to wonder, at this point, just how good a shape is the overall hull in!

However it would be amazing to see her under her own power.......I saw her come into NY once as a kid!

AKK
 


here is some more information:

Crystal Cruises Signs Purchase Option to Restore Historic Ocean Liner, S.S. United States

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(12:30 p.m. EST) -- Crystal Cruises has signed a purchase option to restore the S.S. United States, a historic ocean liner that has been out of commission for 47 years, and bring it back into service.

The option commits Crystal to cover the costs of preserving the ship while undertaking a technical feasibility study, expected to be completed by the end of 2016; that cost has been estimated at $60,000 a month, according to the New York Times. Retired U.S. Coast Guard Rear Admiral Tim Sullivan will lead the team effort.

Crystal plans to turn S.S. United States into an 800-passenger luxury liner with 400 suites that measure 350 square feet. Features of the original ship, such as the Promenade and Navajo Lounge, will be retained, even as the vessel's mechanics are overhauled and modernized.

"The prospect of revitalizing the S.S. United States and reestablishing her as 'America's Flagship' once again is a thrilling one. It will be a very challenging undertaking, but we are determined to apply the dedication and innovation that has always been the ship's hallmark," Crystal President and CEO Edie Rodriguez said in a press release.

"We are honored to work with the S.S. United States Conservancy and government agencies in exploring the technical feasibility study so we can ultimately embark on the journey of transforming her into a sophisticated luxury cruise liner for the modern era."

To transform S.S. United States -- at one time, the most powerful vessel in the world, setting a record, which still stands, for the fastest transatlantic crossing in 1952 -- would cost between $700 million to $800 million, Rodriguez told the Times.

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It's been docked on the Delaware River in Philadelphia, where you can easily see it from the interstate, since 1996. The S.S. United States Preservation Society has owned the 2,000-passenger vessel, which is listed on the National Register of Historic Places, since 2011; before that, it was owned by Norwegian Cruise Line.

Known as "the Big U" and "America's Flagship," S.S. United States has a history that harks back to the golden age of ocean liners. The ship is 590 feet long, about five city blocks, and is longer than the Titanic was. To prevent it from burning, no wood was used in its construction.

The luxury ship had many famous passengers during its time at sea, including four U.S. presidents (Bill Clinton sailed it when he went to study at Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar) and a Who's Who of Old Hollywood: Marlon Brando, Coco Chanel, Gary Cooper, Walt Disney, Judy Garland, Cary Grant, Marilyn Monroe, Elizabeth Taylor, John Wayne and Bob Hope. Royalty onboard included Prince Rainier and Grace Kelly, as well as the Duke and Duchess of Windsor.

Almost as intriguing as the passenger manifest is the ship's origin story. Conceived as part of a top-secret Pentagon project during the Cold War, United States was designed to be converted into a war ship and carry 15,000 troops halfway around the world without refueling, if needed.

The project is an interesting one for Crystal, which has announced significant expansion since it was acquired by Genting Hong Kong in March 2015. Since then, the line has added a yacht with a mini-submarine, is starting a river cruise line and private jet service, and will build three new luxury ships.

The Conservancy hired a broker to sell the ship in October 2015, after its Board of Directors announced that it could no longer afford the monthly expenses. With Crystal taking over, the Conservancy will stay active developing the archives and planning a land-based museum about the ship.

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"Crystal's ambitious vision for the S.S. United States will ensure our nation's flagship is once again a global ambassador for the highest standards of American innovation, quality and design," said Susan Gibbs, executive director of the S.S. United States Conservancy and granddaughter of the ship's designer, William Francis Gibbs. "We are thrilled that the S.S. United States is now poised to make a triumphant return to sea and that the ship's historical legacy will continue to intrigue and inspire a new generation."




You have to wonder what a cabin would cost!
 
You really have to wonder, at this point, just how good a shape is the overall hull in!

However it would be amazing to see her under her own power.......I saw her come into NY once as a kid!

AKK

It would be great to see her at sea again. The 1 thing that she has going for her, is that they don't make ships like that anymore.
 
I'm neighbors with and a supporter of the SS United States. It's been breaking my heart to see her die a slow death these past 17 plus years. I hope they do bring her back to her glory and not end up as scrap. I'd as soon see her sunk to be a reef.
 
here is some more information:

Crystal Cruises Signs Purchase Option to Restore Historic Ocean Liner, S.S. United States

ss-us-restored.jpg

(12:30 p.m. EST) -- Crystal Cruises has signed a purchase option to restore the S.S. United States, a historic ocean liner that has been out of commission for 47 years, and bring it back into service.

The option commits Crystal to cover the costs of preserving the ship while undertaking a technical feasibility study, expected to be completed by the end of 2016; that cost has been estimated at $60,000 a month, according to the New York Times. Retired U.S. Coast Guard Rear Admiral Tim Sullivan will lead the team effort.

Crystal plans to turn S.S. United States into an 800-passenger luxury liner with 400 suites that measure 350 square feet. Features of the original ship, such as the Promenade and Navajo Lounge, will be retained, even as the vessel's mechanics are overhauled and modernized.

"The prospect of revitalizing the S.S. United States and reestablishing her as 'America's Flagship' once again is a thrilling one. It will be a very challenging undertaking, but we are determined to apply the dedication and innovation that has always been the ship's hallmark," Crystal President and CEO Edie Rodriguez said in a press release.

"We are honored to work with the S.S. United States Conservancy and government agencies in exploring the technical feasibility study so we can ultimately embark on the journey of transforming her into a sophisticated luxury cruise liner for the modern era."

To transform S.S. United States -- at one time, the most powerful vessel in the world, setting a record, which still stands, for the fastest transatlantic crossing in 1952 -- would cost between $700 million to $800 million, Rodriguez told the Times.

ss-us-today.jpg

It's been docked on the Delaware River in Philadelphia, where you can easily see it from the interstate, since 1996. The S.S. United States Preservation Society has owned the 2,000-passenger vessel, which is listed on the National Register of Historic Places, since 2011; before that, it was owned by Norwegian Cruise Line.

Known as "the Big U" and "America's Flagship," S.S. United States has a history that harks back to the golden age of ocean liners. The ship is 590 feet long, about five city blocks, and is longer than the Titanic was. To prevent it from burning, no wood was used in its construction.

The luxury ship had many famous passengers during its time at sea, including four U.S. presidents (Bill Clinton sailed it when he went to study at Oxford as a Rhodes Scholar) and a Who's Who of Old Hollywood: Marlon Brando, Coco Chanel, Gary Cooper, Walt Disney, Judy Garland, Cary Grant, Marilyn Monroe, Elizabeth Taylor, John Wayne and Bob Hope. Royalty onboard included Prince Rainier and Grace Kelly, as well as the Duke and Duchess of Windsor.

Almost as intriguing as the passenger manifest is the ship's origin story. Conceived as part of a top-secret Pentagon project during the Cold War, United States was designed to be converted into a war ship and carry 15,000 troops halfway around the world without refueling, if needed.

The project is an interesting one for Crystal, which has announced significant expansion since it was acquired by Genting Hong Kong in March 2015. Since then, the line has added a yacht with a mini-submarine, is starting a river cruise line and private jet service, and will build three new luxury ships.

The Conservancy hired a broker to sell the ship in October 2015, after its Board of Directors announced that it could no longer afford the monthly expenses. With Crystal taking over, the Conservancy will stay active developing the archives and planning a land-based museum about the ship.

ss-us-glory.jpg

"Crystal's ambitious vision for the S.S. United States will ensure our nation's flagship is once again a global ambassador for the highest standards of American innovation, quality and design," said Susan Gibbs, executive director of the S.S. United States Conservancy and granddaughter of the ship's designer, William Francis Gibbs. "We are thrilled that the S.S. United States is now poised to make a triumphant return to sea and that the ship's historical legacy will continue to intrigue and inspire a new generation."




You have to wonder what a cabin would cost
!

At least as much as the current DCL prices.....LOL
 
I would expect them to do a dry docking.......Somehow I need to figure a reason to be at the yard when they bring her in :genie:


I would also, unless they are just blowing smoke up our funnels. If Im not mistaken, didn't they donate one or 2 of her props?
 
I would also, unless they are just blowing smoke up our funnels. If Im not mistaken, didn't they donate one or 2 of her props?


I don't remember if they did or did not donate the props. Very possible though


The bottom picture just above, was taken during a Tugboat strike n NY. The Commodore (Captain), decided to bring the United States in with out tugboats. Remember he did this without any bow or stern thrusters. He layed the starboard bow near/on the corner of the pier, put out lines and warped her around and into the slip. A remarkable bit of American seamanship.


AKK
 
It would be great to see her at sea again. The 1 thing that she has going for her, is that they don't make ships like that anymore.


Agreed!..........I would love to see her stay in United States Line livery, hull and stacks!

AKK
 

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