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Parents...make up your minds!

Except that they were. That's what I meant by make up your mind. Is every stranger a monster and your kid should be kept away from them? Or is it safe to put your kids on ignore? If the world is such a dangerous place, why don't they keep them with them?
 
Except that they were. That's what I meant by make up your mind. Is every stranger a monster and your kid should be kept away from them? Or is it safe to put your kids on ignore? If the world is such a dangerous place, why don't they keep them with them?
Why does it have to be an either or thing(sorry if you already answered this)?

Why can't the kids be taught to be cautious of strangers AND given space?
 
You don't need to have kids of your own to know what you already know. Some people are morons, and there's no parenting test.

But on a side note, just as a mini-PSA regarding escalators. It's not the mean looking "jaws" at the bottom you need to most worry about with little ones (or even yourself), it's the gap between the stairs and the stationary side all the way down and up you need to worry about. Tip of a sneaker gets caught just right in there and it can cause some devastating injuries. Keep your feet away from the edge and keep the little ones in the middle of an escalator.

A little PSA here: If you need to stop an escalator and you're not at the top or bottom, try kicking the "side plate" (the part just above the steps) very hard several times. That will usually stop it. I got that info from a security guard at the mall once.
 
I don't 'go up to children and talk to them' either (unless it's at work then that's my job) but I do talk to people beside me. Topical - not 'life story' thing. You don't talk to people on the bus or waiting in line for a movie?

Nope not usually. Of course I live in NYC so if you try to talk to people in the bus/subway you are considered crazy.
 


My name is Cijay, you're welcome to use it. That was a figure of speech. We don't HAVE a security, we are ALL security in the store.

Using the term OP instead of the posters name is because when you have a multi-page thread, then the readers will know a poster is referring to the thread started (OP). Not everyone is going to remember the name of who started the thread or take the time to go back and see. Heck, most of the time nobody really cares who started the thread. I know I don't usually look, so using OP is going to be used. I don't know why OP seems to offend you. :confused3
 
Another parent says that a 6 year old should not be left alone at all, yet the OP*** herself claims in another thread that she was riding the train into the city to meet her parents for appointments when she was 6.

Sounds like the OP is the one that needs to make up her mind.

There's no question that some parents make poor parenting choices. There is also no question that there are times when strangers should just mind their own business.
 
Using the term OP instead of the posters name is because when you have a multi-page thread, then the readers will know a poster is referring to the thread started (OP). Not everyone is going to remember the name of who started the thread or take the time to go back and see. Heck, most of the time nobody really cares who started the thread. I know I don't usually look, so using OP is going to be used. I don't know why OP seems to offend you. :confused3

I'm lucky I can remember my own name, so I prefer to use terms like OP. I've never seen someone get upset by that before.
 


My name is Cijay, you're very welcome to use it.
Thank you, but I will continue to use the customary for discussion boards OP to refer to an Original Poster.

Yes I've learned here. Wait until a child is severely injured before calling anyone, never mind this ounce of prevention crap. Don't help lost kids even if it's my job. Page security ... oh wait, that's me, never mind. Don't talk to random strangers...ever.
Hyperbole. You are making this all about the worst possible scenario. Back to the child at the table. What was happening there? What was happening that needed you to step in for an "ounce of prevention crap." The mother left the child playing at a table and you took it upon yourself to engage a 5 year old in conversation. Which by the way, is nowhere in the same category of for instance, engaging another adult sitting at the table on the other side of you. An adult to adult conversation - great. A 53 year old woman trying to start a conversation with a 5 year old sitting alone at a table after you knew the mother left for a minute to get food, (you even knew where she went, McDonalds); weird and for some parents, very creepy.

The child on the escalator, you were not even at work in all these jobs you work at, therefore, you were not security there. If you thought that an ounce of prevention crap was needed, why didn't you call mall security?

Kids staying with their parents is company policy, not mine. I'm with you. If the kid isn't being destructive, let them play or sit with a book. But my business *IS* following company policy. Do you know the crap our store would be in if a kid got hurt or taken out of our store? That's nothing compared to how I would feel. I hate seeing kids fall down! However, if a parent is going to mess her pants in fear for her child, why would she leave them alone? That's my question. That has been my question all along. I recognise parents are different but why wouldn't the anal parents keep their kids with them? You see, they WERE the ones afraid of the gun and drug selling hoodlums around. That's why I am wondering why they left their kids alone.
Your question does not really make sense. The lady at the mall, her daughter was taught not to talk to strangers. Yet when she returned, her 5 year old was talking to a strange older woman, which the mother realized is not a normal thing an older woman would do. So, of course she would admonish her child for breaking the rules. I don't get your confusion there. The child was to sit at the table and not talk to strangers. She did talk to a stranger, breaking her rules, so she was admonished. I don't see any crapping the pants there, just a mother reinforcing her rules to a child who broke them.

The mother in your store was probably just worried that her child was not where she told the child to stay. Her worry, unfortunately, was probably taken out on you. Not ok, but it happens. And for all you know, the mother was scared out of her wits and after that, never, ever left her child alone again. As a parent, sometimes you make mistakes. Maybe she thought her child was ready for the toy section.

Yes, I took the bus (train didn't come along 'til later) when I was six but my mother wasn't the type to tell me to fear strangers. Be wary and talk to a store clerk if you need help. I talked to strangers, just didn't go with them or take anything from them.
And yet, you keep going on and on about how dangerous your mall is, something about ounces of protection, and that the mother was wrong to go waaayyy over to McDonald's. So what is it? Should children be allowed to have freedom at 6, or should parents have them with them at all times? You have said both.

But as I said in my first post, it is very refreshing that the OP only had 3 stories of very mild, controversial parenting, stretching back to a few months ago. I would have bet the bank that working in retail, she would have at least one horror story a day. So, 3 in a couple of months, maybe there is some hope for today's children.
 
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my question is how did you see all of this if you were working ? . and why were you talking to the child in the foodcourt. I have left my three kids at a table in the food court too go and get food, it's hard walking around looking for a table with three kids and a full try of food when I am alone with the kids. I always tell my kids when we do that for them not too talk too anyone or leave the table.

you need to keep too yourself since you are not a parent. every parent has a different way of doing things. so if you are not in their shoes don't judge.
 
Thank you, but I will continue to use the customary for discussion boards OP to refer to an Original Poster.


Hyperbole. You are making this all about the worst possible scenario. Back to the child at the table. What was happening there? What was happening that needed you to step in for an "ounce of prevention crap." The mother left the child playing at a table and you took it upon yourself to engage a 5 year old in conversation. Which by the way, is nowhere in the same category of for instance, engaging another adult sitting at the table on the other side of you. An adult to adult conversation - great. A 53 year old woman trying to start a conversation with a 5 year old sitting alone at a table after you knew the mother left for a minute to get food, (you even knew where she went, McDonalds); weird and for some parents, very creepy.

The child on the escalator, you were not even at work in all these jobs you work at, therefore, you were not security there. If you thought that an ounce of prevention crap was needed, why didn't you call mall security?


Your question does not really make sense. The lady at the mall, her daughter was taught not to talk to strangers. Yet when she returned, her 5 year old was talking to a strange older woman, which the mother realized is not a normal thing an older woman would do. So, of course she would admonish her child for breaking the rules. I don't get your confusion there. The child was to sit at the table and not talk to strangers. She did talk to a stranger, breaking her rules, so she was admonished. I don't see any crapping the pants there, just a mother reinforcing her rules to a child who broke them.

The mother in your store was probably just worried that her child was not where she told the child to stay. Her worry, unfortunately, was probably taken out on you. Not ok, but it happens. And for all you know, the mother was scared out of her wits and after that, never, ever left her child alone again. As a parent, sometimes you make mistakes. Maybe she thought her child was ready for the toy section.


And yet, you keep going on and on about how dangerous your mall is, something about ounces of protection, and that the mother was wrong to go waaayyy over to McDonald's. So what is it? Should children be allowed to have freedom at 6, or should parents have them with them at all times? You have said both.

But as I said in my first post, it is very refreshing that the OP only had 3 stories of very mild, controversial parenting, stretching back to a few months ago. I would have bet the bank that working in retail, she would have at least one horror story a day. So, 3 in a couple of months, maybe there is some hope for today's children.
you would think she would have more then that since she works in a bad mall. if it's that bad why is it still open
 
OP (oh, excuse me! I mean Cijay),
Cijay, I think you are being wayyy too defensive about people using OP. Cijay, this is the DISboard where shorthand rules and people don't take the time to write out niceties (Cijay, actually if the other posters were being truly polite, they would say Mr. Cijay... but that's beside the point and for another discussion). Cijay, I understand that you are trying to do the right thing and help kids out, but Cijay, honestly I think that you need to mind your own business. Cijay, the 3rd situation sounds like something that I would do, but Cijay, with the world we live in parent's can never be too sure with people. Cijay, parents have a right to be defensive about strangers talking to their kids.
 
For me the food court example is where you lose me. I have a son turning 8 and for the past 6 months I have been consciously increasing his responsibility and independence in a way I think is appropriate for his maturity. So for example at the grocery store I'll let him walk a few aisles over and pick out something and come back, go to the bathroom alone in a restaurant, pick out the table while we order the food at the counter, whatever little things.

As part of that we talk about rules and how to handle yourself. Rule #1 - don't talk to strangers. We expand that to explain that yes you can say excuse me, thank you, etc but in general I think it's a pretty big social norm that adults do NOT start conversations up with unaccompanied children. If I came around a corner or back to a table and there was an adult talking to him I'd be concerned.

I'm not saying don't help a child in need, but I wouldn't start striking up conversations with kids just to be social anymore, sad or not that's not really cool.
 
When DD was young, older elementary school, we were at McDonalds and I let her go get the seats while I ordered and got drinks. When I turned and headed toward the table, I saw an adult sitting with her having a conversation. It felt totally creepy to me and all my Mama Bear insticts emerged. It turned out to be a former day care worker whom I didn't recognize from behind as she had let her hair grow out (my DDs favorite day care worker of all time). So that was okay and we had a nice chat. When I was single with no kids, I don't think I would have undertood how creepy that feeling would be. Don't get me wrong, childless folk have an abolute right to have opinions on how to raise children, sometimes they have a unique perspective that can shed a new light on the issue. But there are certain things that just don't soak into your consciousness until you actually experience them. This might be one of those things.
 
When I was 10 in Munich, I used to buy a ticket for the U-Bahn, ride into the city and go to the Olympic Stadium to go swimming (3 or 4 years after the terrorist attack) - or just walk around downtown - by myself. Nothing was unusual about that - even while being in a foreign country.

Have things really gotten that much more dangerous that parents would never allow that today (I'm guilty also) - or are we just inundated with all the bad things that happen nationally that we have the perception that it's that much worse?
 
CLUE #1: "By the time we got to the front other was doing the magpie (that's what I call the honey Boo Boo's mother type of mannerisms)"

CLUE #2" Kid said "she works here." (apron, vest and nametag)
 
Op was there no way to radio or call someone to page the child's mother and you and the child stay in the toy department? Seems like that would have been better than removing the child from the place her mother left her.
 

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