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A look back at what Jim Hill said in 2005 was coming to WDW...

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The 2005 Unofficial Guide (actually released in the fall of 2004) added a new feature – “A Peek behind the Scenes with Jim Hill,” with some trivia items and some discussion of upcoming changes. Given Jim Hill’s rather … mixed … track record, I thought it might be interesting to revisit the latter, to see which turned out to have any connection with the real world, even with 10+ years of time for them to happen.

It ain’t a pretty sight.

Magic Kingdom:

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Given that Disneyland’s Swiss Family Treehouse was rethemed back in 1999, Mouse House insiders suggest that it will only be a matter of time ‘til the Magic Kingdom’s version also goes under the knife. The attraction can then be tied directly in with a more modern, more viable Disney franchise.
Wrong!

Hey, That Pirate Looks Sorta Familiar
Following the success of Disney’s Pirates of the Caribbean feature film, theme park guests have been asking where in the attraction to find Captain Jack Sparrow. Well you can’t… yet. But–if everything goes according to plan–you should be able to see an animatronic figure of Johnny Depp lurching through this ride at about the same time that the first of the two Pirates of the Caribbean sequels sail into theaters.
Right!

Enjoy It While You Can
Given that Disneyland has already shuttered Fort Wilderness on its own version of Tom Sawyer’s Island (supposedly due to costs associated with disabled-access issues as well as safety concerns), it’s only a matter of time ‘til Disney’s lawyers finally get around to closing doen Fort Langhorn, So run up and down those extremely narrow and poorly lit stairs and fire off a politically incorrect rifle while you still can. The imagineers expect to be playing “Taps” for this Frontierland icon in the very near future.
Wrong!

Getting Ready for a Scary Christmas
Recently, Disney World’s Haunted Mansion has gone through a number of rehabs and repairs. How come? Because–in the fall of 2005–the Magic Kingdom’s Mansion is rumored to be getting a brand new tenant: Jack Skellington, the star of Touchstone Pictures’ 1994 release, Tim Burton’s The Nightmare before Christmas. As Jack and his friends remake the Mansion each holiday season in their own goofy, ghoulish image, look for this Haunted Mansion Holiday attraction to quickly become a holiday hit in Central Florida (as it has at Disneyland).
Wrong!

Big Plans for a Small World
This Fantasyland relic will be closed through part of 2005. When it re-opens it will feature a brand new, state-of-the-art lighting and sound system. This upgrade is absolutely necessary if Disney World is to present its first-ever holiday edition of this much beloved attraction starting in 2006.
Wrong!

Speedway to Get a Tune-Up?
Among the ideas that the Imagineers are reportedly considering for improving Tomorrowland is r-theming the speedway to include the talking autos featured in Pixar Animation Studio’s theatrical release Cars.
Wrong!

Epcot:

Soarin’
Though this new Future World attraction won’t begin entertaining WDW guests until 2005, plans are reportedly already underway to scrap Soarin’s IMAX film, originally created for Disney’s California Adventure theme park. The replacement version, which is supposedly slated to debut in the fall of 2007 for Epcot’s 25th anniversary, will reportedly feature scenery from all over the world.
Wrong! (Although it supposedly is still in the works... maybe by Epcot's 35th anniversary.)

What to Do with That Grizzly View
Epcot visitors have already begun complaining about how Soarin’s building looms up over the “mountains” of Canada and ruins the whole scene for this corner of World Showcase. Well, the Imagineers are talking about building a new mountain housing a new raft ride attraction themed around Disney’s 2002 animated feature, Brother Bear. The proposed mountain will be tall enough to keep the Soarin’ building out of sight.
Wrong!

Animal Kingdom:

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An abominable Snowman, who’ll stand over 20 feet tall, will be the star of Expedition Everest. He will be an unmannerly, ill-tempered creature with pointy fangs, matted fur, and razor sharp claws, who’ll take a swipe at every trainload of guests as they whiz backwards (Yikes!) down the mountainside.
Wrong! (He almost got this one right … but then he went and said that the yeti would swipe at the train as it ran backwards. Nope.)

Disney-MGM Studios:

Who Knew a Mermaid Would Have Such Great Legs?
When Voyage of the Little Mermaid debuted in January of 1992, the general consensus was that this cute little stage show would run for 18 months. Two years, tops. Over a decade later, Ariel and her finny friends are still going strong. Which is why Disney’s Thetarical division is now reportedly readying a radicaly expanded version of this Disney-MGM show. The new version, we hear, will also see if The Little Mermaid has enough power for a run on Broadway.
Wrong! (The Little Mermaid may have made it to Broadway, but the show at the studios wasn’t retooled.)

More Muppets On The Way To The Studios?
After more than a decade of trying, the Walt Disney Company was finally able to acquire the Muppets characters from the Jim Henson Company in 2004. Look for Kermit & Co. to become a much bigger presence in the Studios over the next few years. Among the ideas that the Imagineers are supposedly considering is The Great Muppet Movie Ride with an animatronic Gonzo serving as your host in a Muppet-ized version of the history of Hollywood.
Wrong!
 
Getting Ready for a Scary Christmas
Recently, Disney World’s Haunted Mansion has gone through a number of rehabs and repairs. How come? Because–in the fall of 2005–the Magic Kingdom’s Mansion is rumored to be getting a brand new tenant: Jack Skellington, the star of Touchstone Pictures’ 1994 release, Tim Burton’s The Nightmare before Christmas. As Jack and his friends remake the Mansion each holiday season in their own goofy, ghoulish image, look for this Haunted Mansion Holiday attraction to quickly become a holiday hit in Central Florida (as it has at Disneyland).
Wrong!

Hope this stays wrong FOREVER! Biggest reason I'll never visit Disneyland during Halloween season...overlay is totally unneccesary and ruins a classic experience. I'm glad WDW caters to a global crowd so such "local" changes won't likely happen.
 


Hope this stays wrong FOREVER! Biggest reason I'll never visit Disneyland during Halloween season...overlay is totally unneccesary and ruins a classic experience. I'm glad WDW caters to a global crowd so such "local" changes won't likely happen.

We flew to California last year specifically to see this... went on it at least 5 times. Kids and family loved the whole experience of the Space Mountain and Haunted Mansion overlays.
 


Getting Ready for a Scary Christmas
Recently, Disney World’s Haunted Mansion has gone through a number of rehabs and repairs. How come? Because–in the fall of 2005–the Magic Kingdom’s Mansion is rumored to be getting a brand new tenant: Jack Skellington, the star of Touchstone Pictures’ 1994 release, Tim Burton’s The Nightmare before Christmas. As Jack and his friends remake the Mansion each holiday season in their own goofy, ghoulish image, look for this Haunted Mansion Holiday attraction to quickly become a holiday hit in Central Florida (as it has at Disneyland).
Wrong!

Not sure if this was actually in the guide or just a typo, but when simple things like release dates are wrong all credibility goes down the drain in my mind. TNBC was released in 1993. But the CMs of the ride also thought this was going to happen, so it wasn't completely unfounded
 
We flew to California last year specifically to see this... went on it at least 5 times. Kids and family loved the whole experience of the Space Mountain and Haunted Mansion overlays.

Honestly glad you guys had a great time...but the Haunted Mansion specifically is fine as is IMHO.
 
Not sure if this was actually in the guide or just a typo, but when simple things like release dates are wrong all credibility goes down the drain in my mind. TNBC was released in 1993. But the CMs of the ride also thought this was going to happen, so it wasn't completely unfounded

FYI, the 1994 date was actually in the guide.
 
Large Single Person Seeks Dinner Date with Willing Tourists
An abominable Snowman, who’ll stand over 20 feet tall, will be the star of Expedition Everest. He will be an unmannerly, ill-tempered creature with pointy fangs, matted fur, and razor sharp claws, who’ll take a swipe at every trainload of guests as they whiz backwards (Yikes!) down the mountainside.
Wrong! (He almost got this one right … but then he went and said that the yeti would swipe at the train as it ran backwards. Nope.)

Well, I mean... he DID for a year or so.
 
Epcot:

Soarin’
Though this new Future World attraction won’t begin entertaining WDW guests until 2005, plans are reportedly already underway to scrap Soarin’s IMAX film, originally created for Disney’s California Adventure theme park. The replacement version, which is supposedly slated to debut in the fall of 2007 for Epcot’s 25th anniversary, will reportedly feature scenery from all over the world.
Wrong! (Although it supposedly is still in the works... maybe by Epcot's 35th anniversary.)

Huh? I thought they announced at D23 that the new Soarin film would debut next year. So, not wrong, just really late.
 
Coming in here with the extreme minority opinion here (flame suit on and activated). I don't get why so many Disney fans have this visceral hate for Jim. I guess what most Disney fans don't realize is the fluidity of plans at Imagineering and within the company at general. Because Disney is an entertainment brand, it is subject to the ever-changing tastes and whims of its audience. What they think will hit might not go as far as they expected (i.e. Brother Bear). The might get surprised by how much people like something (i.e. Frozen). It all depends on what hits and what doesn't. And that's just one of many factors that influence a proposed attraction's fate. The economy, location, costs, etc... also can kill a project (the 2007/8 economic downturn shut down many plans like a much larger DTD redo that was shrunk down into Hyperion Wharf then re-enlarged as Disney Springs, an ESPN Zone takeover of DQ that now will be NBA Experience, the Monsters Inc. Door Coaster that may be back on the table for the DHS redo with a Monsters Inc.-themed area, etc...). Unfortunately, things change, especially at Disney, and nobody can predict when that'll occur. The best they can do is relay the info their sources (and he does have many sources; that I can confirm) give them.

What he needs to work on is prefacing his rumors with a disclaimer that these are not guaranteed and are just rumors. He needs to avoid phrases like "definitely happening" and "for sure". In journalism, even using the direct future tense (i.e. this will happen) instead of using expected (i.e. this is expected to happen) can be problematic. Luckily, mostly due to Len Testa's advice it seems, he's been prefacing about his rumors more recently. Remember, anything unannounced is not a guarantee (heck, even what is announced isn't always); that doesn't mean there's no truth behind it but you've gotta remember that, like I keep saying, things change frequently and significantly.

In regard to the OP's critiques, I don't think he's being the most objective reporter either. Keeping in mind that things do change, discounting his prediction regarding the yeti because the exact location of the AA figure was a couple yards off isn't really fair in my opinion. Same thing with the Soarin' Around the World. I can tell you that actually was the plan until budget cutbacks imposed during the Save Disney crisis (that's all why HKDL was so significantly scaled back). The Around the World component just turned into the longterm plan that they're finally moving forward on now (announced at D23; opening next year). While those two were unfair, the others I'll admit were fair, but I can tell you from personal knowledge a number of them were in the works but plans did change. The holiday overlays were actually planned for MK as a way to bolster struggling attendance in after 9/11 until executives did some survey work and got a clue about the reaction that day guests would have to Small World, HM, and others being shuttered for a couple months each year to overlay them. Even Jim talks about this as the main reason while we'll never see a holiday overlay that requires a closure at WDW. Anyways, I could go on, but all I'll say is Jim isn't a liar. He's a sensationalist at times (as many in today's media are), but he does do his best to relay any info from insiders, and these same insiders are the ones who often help him get the details for his fantastic history segments.
 
Coming in here with the extreme minority opinion here (flame suit on and activated). I don't get why so many Disney fans have this visceral hate for Jim. I guess what most Disney fans don't realize is the fluidity of plans at Imagineering and within the company at general. Because Disney is an entertainment brand, it is subject to the ever-changing tastes and whims of its audience. What they think will hit might not go as far as they expected (i.e. Brother Bear). The might get surprised by how much people like something (i.e. Frozen). It all depends on what hits and what doesn't. And that's just one of many factors that influence a proposed attraction's fate. The economy, location, costs, etc... also can kill a project (the 2007/8 economic downturn shut down many plans like a much larger DTD redo that was shrunk down into Hyperion Wharf then re-enlarged as Disney Springs, an ESPN Zone takeover of DQ that now will be NBA Experience, the Monsters Inc. Door Coaster that may be back on the table for the DHS redo with a Monsters Inc.-themed area, etc...). Unfortunately, things change, especially at Disney, and nobody can predict when that'll occur. The best they can do is relay the info their sources (and he does have many sources; that I can confirm) give them.

What he needs to work on is prefacing his rumors with a disclaimer that these are not guaranteed and are just rumors. He needs to avoid phrases like "definitely happening" and "for sure". In journalism, even using the direct future tense (i.e. this will happen) instead of using expected (i.e. this is expected to happen) can be problematic. Luckily, mostly due to Len Testa's advice it seems, he's been prefacing about his rumors more recently. Remember, anything unannounced is not a guarantee (heck, even what is announced isn't always); that doesn't mean there's no truth behind it but you've gotta remember that, like I keep saying, things change frequently and significantly.

In regard to the OP's critiques, I don't think he's being the most objective reporter either. Keeping in mind that things do change, discounting his prediction regarding the yeti because the exact location of the AA figure was a couple yards off isn't really fair in my opinion. Same thing with the Soarin' Around the World. I can tell you that actually was the plan until budget cutbacks imposed during the Save Disney crisis (that's all why HKDL was so significantly scaled back). The Around the World component just turned into the longterm plan that they're finally moving forward on now (announced at D23; opening next year). While those two were unfair, the others I'll admit were fair, but I can tell you from personal knowledge a number of them were in the works but plans did change. The holiday overlays were actually planned for MK as a way to bolster struggling attendance in after 9/11 until executives did some survey work and got a clue about the reaction that day guests would have to Small World, HM, and others being shuttered for a couple months each year to overlay them. Even Jim talks about this as the main reason while we'll never see a holiday overlay that requires a closure at WDW. Anyways, I could go on, but all I'll say is Jim isn't a liar. He's a sensationalist at times (as many in today's media are), but he does do his best to relay any info from insiders, and these same insiders are the ones who often help him get the details for his fantastic history segments.
He rather notoriously puts a ton of stock in stuff he hears from very low-level Imagineers. He throws it all against the wall and hopes something sticks... And it almost never does.
 
Anxiously awaiting the opening of Night Kingdom. He said it would officially open in October 2011, but I'm sure it'll happen any day now....

Also, there were plans for NK even right after DAK opened. Michael Eisner was already actively talking about it and development moved steadily. The idea morphed from Villains to a nighttime adults entertainment park to sorta a combo until Mr. Iger decided that WDW wouldn't benefit from additional gates and should focus on expanding its current ones, especially the lagging DAK and DHS (a good idea I might add). Other than the fact that this rumor gained enough traction to be featured on the Orlando local news, you can look for evidence no further than Disney itself. Events like Harambe Nights and Villains Unleashed and tours like the Wild Africa Trek are all derived from components of the now-defunct Night Kingdom project. Just because something doesn't happen doesn't mean he lied.

He rather notoriously puts a ton of stock in stuff he hears from very low-level Imagineers. He throws it all against the wall and hopes something sticks... And it almost never does.

His sources come from a multitude of levels within the Company, but obviously, he will not have access to the executive decision makers. I have already said his main problem is presenting some rumors as certain, but I don't think he should stop speaking and writing altogether about these rumors. What he does is really no different than the countless other Disney sites and podcasts out there like the Dis Unplugged except they're better at prefacing rumors. Again, at Disney, things change at a pace that would surprise even the most devout Disney fans, so by listening to what he says, you just need to remember that. If that's not something you're willing to do, then you just don't need to listen, but to call him a liar just looking (and I'm not speaking to you in this regard @Missyrose because you didn't say that at all) for attention is, in my opinion, inaccurate and unfair.
 

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