Disney release preview of avatar attractions

[twebber55]

Not saying that, but when I was younger and had never seen Star Wars Star Tours meant a whole lot less. Same with Indiana Jones. IP does make a difference.

Whoops, typo. Should've been 20%+ Good catch. I'll correct that to ensure no one is mislead. You're 15% is a little low. What data are you using?

Indeed, good discussion.

im not saying IP doesn't make a difference but you cant judge a ride/land based on whether or not you liked the movie..there are too many examples to prove this

Star tours is the4th most popular ride at a park that has very few rides, if the IP meant so much that wouldn't be the case...heck the day it reopened in the afternoon it had a 20 minute wait

 

[DDLand]

I m thinking the control part played a bigger role and man im glad she went with universal

I can't understand why. Disney may be a little slow sometimes, but I'd take anything Tony Baxter can come up with to just about anyone else.

 

[twebber55]

I can't understand why. Disney may be a little slow sometimes, but I'd take anything Tony Baxter can come up with to just about anyone else.

perhaps you are right but I cant imagine hogsmeade and DA any better than it is

 

[DDLand]

perhaps you are right but I cant imagine hogsmeade and DA any better than it is

He made Big Thunder, Splash Mountain, and Indiana Jones. ( we'll overlook Tomorrowland...) This guy is amazing.

 

[DDLand]

im not saying IP doesn't make a difference but you cant judge a ride/land based on whether or not you liked the movie..there are too many examples to prove this

Star tours is the4th most popular ride at a park that has very few rides, if the IP meant so much that wouldn't be the case...heck the day it reopened in the afternoon it had a 20 minute wait

Good IP is like iceing on the cake. I agree with you whole heartedly, but you've got to realize what a difference that name recognition creates. Do you think Harry Potter would draw that crowd without it? I'm dubious.

 

[twebber55]

Good IP is like iceing on the cake. I agree with you whole heartedly, but you've got to realize what a difference that name recognition creates. Do you think Harry Potter would draw that crowd without it? I'm dubious.

im not saying Avatar is HP or Star Wars but nothing is really..icing on the cake is a good way to look at it

 

[DDLand]

im not saying Avatar is HP or Star Wars but nothing is really..icing on the cake is a good way to look at it

Indeed, you're right that how you build it is #1. With that said I'd say that it's sugar free frosting with sawdust mixed in for kicks.

 

[rteetz]

In the words of my good friend @rteetz:


So basically one really fast paced Soarin, and a boat ride where you go through several hundred million dollars worth of themeing. Including but not limited to, bioluminescent plants, audio animatronics, and passing by very expensive floating mountains. The boat actually goes inside the simulator ride's building.

Also they're adding new lights to The Safari to simulate a sunset.

Oh, and they added a Starbucks too!

Don't forget the new Africa marketplaace and new dining.

 

[DDLand]

Don't forget the new Africa marketplaace and new dining.

Oh, and those "new roots."

 

[hakepb]

After looking at that teaser video, one thing's for sure - just like we'd talked about before. This is all about the nighttime. Taking DAK from it's 2 hours before dark "unofficial" close when everybody heads somewhere else and instead, keeping guests there or making them head over there for the new night show, plus all of those new glowing plants will help alleviate some of that MK Wishes pressure that can almost be scary sometimes.

And, DAK should be a beautiful Park at night. Good lighting, in all of that foliage can be spectacular. BG Williamsburg is that way at night.

But, the rest of the Park needs some beefing up, capacity-wise and nighttime entertainment-wise. Can't have everybody crammed in Avatar because that's the best place to be at night. MK is great that way at night. So is EPCOT. EPCOt doesn't have the ride capacity of MK to swallow up a lot of guests in the evenings. But its layout, with that huge expanse around the lagoon, all the countries facing it, nothing major in the way obscuring site lines makes up for that, a bit for Illuminations.

Maybe it will be fine. I know they've cleared additional space and widened walkways. But evening guest flow is going to be interesting.

And, am I the only one curious what they're going to serve in a restaurant themed to a Planet that's toxic to humans....?

Maybe the leftover lobster from Narcoossees....??

For night time attractions at DAK, guests will start to discover that prior to Pandora, EE was WDW's best attraction at night.

 

[DanBoris]

Original plans called for 3. I'm sorry but if you lead me to believe one thing and then change it to something less, I will indeed be disappointed. Now, if there happens to be more than 2 rides, but something like 3-4 "experiences" that'd be nice. NFL got a dark ride, an extra Dumbo (for capacity's sake), a M&G area, the little splash play area, a new coaster, plus the low-capacity Belle show/experience. That's a total of 5 things as I didn't count the extra Dumbo spinner. Plus a restaurant, gift-shops, and a quick-serve place.

Who led you to believe there would be three? Not Disney? Disney hasn't even told us there will be two yet.

 

[rteetz]

Who led you to believe there would be three? Not Disney? Disney hasn't even told us there will be two yet.

Insiders and leaked info have said three. Disney or at least Cameron has confirmed two attractions. Boat ride and banshee ride.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I guess the point is no one knows forsure how many and what!.........Time will tell.

AKK

 

[rteetz]

I guess the point is no one knows forsure how many and what!.........Time will tell.

AKK

It's two rides just no confirmation on how many experiences like shows and entertainment.

 

[twebber55]

It's two rides just no confirmation on how many experiences like shows and entertainment.

correct...James Cameron is on record as saying two rides....other than that we dont know much

 

[George4]

$500 million for two rides? No wonder they don't want to invest money in their parks. Whatever happened to putting in a variety of less expensive rides along with the big ones. Put in one 'E' ticket, along with a couple B, C, and D ticket rides. If you add 10,000 people per day (lofty number probably) and they all want to go on one ride, it doesn't make a for a great experience. If they can be divided between 4, 5 or 6 rides of varying levels of thrill, then the additional crowds aren't all focused in one area. Disney seems to want to add one thing that blows people away with this one, whereas adding a complete land with multiple rides, restaurants, shops, and shows would be a much more effective addition in the long run. I mentioned this on another forum here, Disney isn't thinking long term any more. They want the quick flashy addition. I guess we'll see in three years, but that is a tremendous amount of time for one or two rides. They better be spectacular or the time and money will have been such a waste.

 

[rteetz]

$500 million for two rides? No wonder they don't want to invest money in their parks. Whatever happened to putting in a variety of less expensive rides along with the big ones. Put in one 'E' ticket, along with a couple B, C, and D ticket rides. If you add 10,000 people per day (lofty number probably) and they all want to go on one ride, it doesn't make a for a great experience. If they can be divided between 4, 5 or 6 rides of varying levels of thrill, then the additional crowds aren't all focused in one area. Disney seems to want to add one thing that blows people away with this one, whereas adding a complete land with multiple rides, restaurants, shops, and shows would be a much more effective addition in the long run. I mentioned this on another forum here, Disney isn't thinking long term any more. They want the quick flashy addition. I guess we'll see in three years, but that is a tremendous amount of time for one or two rides. They better be spectacular or the time and money will have been such a waste.

According to the original 700 or so million budget that was supposedly going to happen that included two Es and a c or d. Now we get an E and a c or d. Carsland was built with three attractions for about the same amount. One E and one C and one B.

 

[clsteve]

According to the original 700 or so million budget that was supposedly going to happen that included two Es and a c or d. Now we get an E and a c or d. Carsland was built with three attractions for about the same amount. One E and one C and one B.

With 2 rides, the most important thing is going to be capacity. The boat ride is going to need to be a people eater in the PoTC/HM vein: 2800 or so guests per hour. Hopefully, that Soarin' type ride has enough capacity to at least get it in the 2000 guest per hour range, since it's going to be extremely popular.

As comparisons, 7DMT does about 1500 guests per hour and the Epcot Soarin' does 1400 with the 2 theaters and we see what the wait times for those 2 climb to on a daily basis....

(numbers from bcrook's work on capacity in 2013)

 

[rteetz]

With 2 rides, the most important thing is going to be capacity. The boat ride is going to need to be a people eater in the PoTC/HM vein: 2800 or so guests per hour. Hopefully, that Soarin' type ride has enough capacity to at least get it in the 2000 guest per hour range, since it's going to be extremely popular.

As comparisons, 7DMT does about 1500 guests per hour and the Epcot Soarin' does 1400 with the 2 theaters and we see what the wait times for those 2 climb to on a daily basis....

(numbers from bcrook's work on capacity in 2013)

This show building for the banshee ride has four theaters it was definitely built with capacity in mind.

 

[sachilles]

I'm very anxious to see how the whole area plays out. For better or worse it will be a big change for AK. New Fantasyland was a nice addition to MK, but didn't really change much at the park. Avatar land will draw extras in largely for that experience only and I think it can make crowds very lopsided.