Explosions at Boston Marathon finish line

[cabanafrau]

The problem I have with such speculation . . .the court of public opinion is not bound by any sort of rules.

If Katherine Russel Tsarnaev is involved with the bombing, our speculating about her does no harm.

But if she is an innocent spouse she already has enough grief, and our speculation is only adding to it.

Sure, it's not the same kind of pain her husband inflicted on innocent bystanders. But our anger and outrage over the bombing should not lead us to cause an innocent woman pain. It's not an all-or-nothing proposition.

We haven't heard anything from law enforcement linking her to the crime. They're still investigating. So there isn't even a oubkic accusation. Yet she is being condemned.

Let's assume she's innocent. Didn't have a clue. Not charged with a crime. She's raising her child, the child of a dead terrorist. Would you want to make her life even more miserable than you know it's going to be? How does that get justice for the victims?

Of course, if the DNA they found on the pressure cooker is hers, this could all be moot.

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I'm talking about freedom of thought, period. I said nothing beyond that. I said nothing about accusing her or anything else. I could be thinking the ugliest thoughts in the world about her or anybody else and it is my right to do so. If I take no actions to impose my thinking on anyone else I'm free to think any and all manner of horrible things.

I do think a thorough investigation of this woman is necessary and proper. Beyond that I have said nothing against her. How does my opinion or speculation harm her in the slightest? I'm not calling for any action against her in the least, simply investigation, same as they should come and investigate me if they uncover a connection to such a horrible crime.

I'm highly skeptical about the DNA on the pressure cooker tracing back to her. I'd like to know if they've only uncovered female DNA for starters. That seems a little unlikely at this point, as I imagine that sadly they've got pieces of pressure cookers, backpacks and shrapnel with DNA of as many as 200 people. People are angry, upset, afraid and on edge about this atrocity and as much as we'd like answers immediately, there's probably not going to be much forthcoming for a while. I'm not going to get all lathered up when the media slavers over a morsel of info from what I'm going to guess is an unnamed source saying they've found female DNA on a piece of a pressure cooker. If they turned around and could unequivocally state it is the wife's DNA, then I think there's something to be considered.

As I've said a few times, I want to know what an objective reconstruction of their day-to-day lives turns up. That's probably a whole lot more informative to the case.

 

[momontheright]

I hope the family of this little girl does her a favor and does the selfless action of letting her live with a great family somewhere else so she does not have to always be known as the Boston Bomber's daughter. It would suck immensely to let go of your child/grandchild but in this case she would be better off knowing of none of this as she grows up or having to be associated with this family. I don't feel sorry for the mom at all she married this guy knowing he was abusive and controlling why did she go back to to dating him after she broke up with him for knocking this snot out of her much less marry him? It wasn't like she was some poor women with no other options by all accounts she came from a warm loving home with a family and many friends who cared for and would support her.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I believe it was his previous girlfriend that he hit, but (the bomber and his now-wife) may have been seeing eachother at that time (as the police report stated the fight was over "another woman").

There were also reports that one of the bomber's sisters was a victim of domestic violence (by her husband) and they subsequently divorced, I think.

OT but I can't imagine a mom giving up her daughter over this. I agree, it will stink to be known as the bomber's daughter, but what guarantee will there be that it won't still happen even if she goes to live with another family? The mom, if she's hopefully found to be innocent in this, will have to be strong and smart enough to forge out a life for herself and her daughter despite the tragedy that's befallen their family. Others have done it, and hopefully she can, too.

 

[sunshinehighway]

I believe it was his previous girlfriend that he hit, but (the bomber and his now-wife) may have been seeing eachother at that time (as the police report stated the fight was over "another woman").

There were also reports that one of the bomber's sisters was a victim of domestic violence (by her husband) and they subsequently divorced, I think.

OT but I can't imagine a mom giving up her daughter over this. I agree, it will stink to be known as the bomber's daughter, but what guarantee will there be that it won't still happen even if she goes to live with another family? The mom, if she's hopefully found to be innocent in this, will have to be strong and smart enough to forge out a life for herself and her daughter despite the tragedy that's befallen their family. Others have done it, and hopefully she can, too.

I'm pretty sure it was a different girlfriend. It seems there was an overlap where he was dating the two of them.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I'm pretty sure it was a different girlfriend. It seems there was an overlap where he was dating the two of them.

Not sure what you mean by "different"? I said "previous". I'm pretty sure I've read he went right from that relationship into the one with his wife. Didn't they marry in 2010? (Although I do think it was something his wife was aware of, as that arrest caused issues with his application for citizenship, which caused issues with his boxing career, etc.)

Boston bombing suspect: Details of fight with girlfriend

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/...ect-girlfriend-fight-20130424,0,5468770.story

 

[sunshinehighway]

Not sure what you mean by "different"? I said "previous". I'm pretty sure I've read he went right from that relationship into the one with his wife. Didn't they marry in 2010?

Different meaning not the wife. It seems he was dating both her (the one he smacked around) and the wife at the same ime

 

[foreUT]

While she certainly MAY know something, I don't think she had to know something.

How many times does a wife get surprised to find her husband is cheating on her? Or has some other dark secret?

But, what if he is cheating on the dining room table? Being oblivious to bomb-making material (he had pipe bombs: why would anyone have pipes in their apartment?) for multiple pressure cooker and pipe bombs is a stretch, imo.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Different meaning not the wife. It seems he was dating both her (the one he smacked around) and the wife at the same ime

That's what I said!

I believe it was his previous girlfriend that he hit, but (the bomber and his now-wife) may have been seeing eachother at that time (as the police report stated the fight was over "another woman").

 

[okeydokey]

You'd be surprised at the amount of spare parts and what I consider junk my husband has hanging around. I would never see it all and think that maybe he was building an explosive out of it.

The wife could very well have known about it and could very well have had no idea.

If I were the family/grandparents of that little girl and even if the wife was involved and was sent to jail, there is no way I would give away the child. And the wife is not implicated, why should she be expected to give away her own baby? I wouldn't.

 

[design_mom]

But, what if he is cheating on the dining room table? Being oblivious to bomb-making material (he had pipe bombs: why would anyone have pipes in their apartment?) for multiple pressure cooker and pipe bombs is a stretch, imo.

I can think of several people I know personally who walked in on their spouse cheating on them in their own house. (And, yes, one was on the dining room table!) Heck, when I was in high school, one of my friends found out that his dad had a whole other family in a different state including two other school-age children. The family thought he had to travel to the "home office" for his job for weeks at a time. The other family didn't know about my friend's family either. It was quite the nightmare -- and everybody (previously) thought the dad was a really nice guy. Now we know he was just a really good liar.

I am not saying she's innocent, but in what's been published, I haven't seen anything that convinces me she's guilty as an accomplice -- or intentionally concealing evidence -- either, so lets wait and see what the investigation turns up before we crucify her. If she's guilty, I'll join everyone in calling for her head!

I'll go out and say it. If my husband wanted to he could probably:
1) open a credit card without my knowledge (at least for a while).
2) could buy inexpensive items like pressure cookers and BBs without me knowing about it.
3) could hide those items in our house without me finding them (at least for a while. I'm sure he knows which cupboards, closets and basement areas I frequently visit, and which areas I don't frequently visit.)

Of course, if he was openly building a bomb in the dining room, I'd be suspicious, but if he cleaned everything up before I got home and acted "normal", why would I be suspicious?

 

[cabanafrau]

I hope the family of this little girl does her a favor and does the selfless action of letting her live with a great family somewhere else so she does not have to always be known as the Boston Bomber's daughter. It would suck immensely to let go of your child/grandchild but in this case she would be better off knowing of none of this as she grows up or having to be associated with this family. I don't feel sorry for the mom at all she married this guy knowing he was abusive and controlling why did she go back to to dating him after she broke up with him for knocking this snot out of her much less marry him? It wasn't like she was some poor women with no other options by all accounts she came from a warm loving home with a family and many friends who cared for and would support her.

That's completely premature and looking to inflict tremendous trauma on that child. If the mother is not involved she will have no criminal charges & therefore no barrier to changing their names & being able to disassociate them from this horror.

 

[momontheright]

That's completely premature and looking to inflict tremendous trauma on that child. If the mother is not involved she will have no criminal charges & therefore no barrier to changing their names & being able to disassociate them from this horror.

Well what stinks is the mother, her parents , and even her sister have had their pictures plastered all over the news and unfortunately there will be someone everywhere they go that will remember them. If she is in fact not guilty which I am 50/50 on then she should make plans to leave America if she is to ever give her a kid a normal life which is sad to say but unfortunately this what we have become as a nation.

 

[cabanafrau]

Well what stinks is the mother, her parents , and even her sister have had their pictures plastered all over the news and unfortunately there will be someone everywhere they go that will remember them. If she is in fact not guilty which I am 50/50 on then she should make plans to leave America if she is to ever give her a kid a normal life which is sad to say but unfortunately this what we have become as a nation.

I've seen nothing showing her parents or sister. I've seen an old pic of the mom, possibly HS grad pic & then her in a burqa or hijab, which gives me zero clue of what she looks like. I think early on there was something of the mother supposedly putting her child in a van, but nothing identifying about the child either. I do think it would be possible to walk away with a new name & not be known.

 

[foreUT]

I can think of several people I know personally who walked in on their spouse cheating on them in their own house. (And, yes, one was on the dining room table!) Heck, when I was in high school, one of my friends found out that his dad had a whole other family in a different state including two other school-age children. The family thought he had to travel to the "home office" for his job for weeks at a time. The other family didn't know about my friend's family either. It was quite the nightmare -- and everybody (previously) thought the dad was a really nice guy. Now we know he was just a really good liar.

I am not saying she's innocent, but in what's been published, I haven't seen anything that convinces me she's guilty as an accomplice -- or intentionally concealing evidence -- either, so lets wait and see what the investigation turns up before we crucify her. If she's guilty, I'll join everyone in calling for her head!

I'll go out and say it. If my husband wanted to he could probably:
1) open a credit card without my knowledge (at least for a while).
2) could buy inexpensive items like pressure cookers and BBs without me knowing about it.
3) could hide those items in our house without me finding them (at least for a while. I'm sure he knows which cupboards, closets and basement areas I frequently visit, and which areas I don't frequently visit.)

Of course, if he was openly building a bomb in the dining room, I'd be suspicious, but if he cleaned everything up before I got home and acted "normal", why would I be suspicious?

I agree there are a lot of things we can hide from our spouse, but how do you hide your personality? According to others he was vocal in his distaste of American culture, they skyped daily while he was in Dagestan, and he posted virulent/violent videos on YouTube, after his return. IMO, when a person has radical opinions, I would look at what might be innocuous if associated with someone else, with a bit more scrutiny. Cheaters lie, but I don't believe Tamerlan cared who knew how he felt: he was who he was.

This was not a woman w/o a way out: she had parents who seem to have welcomed her home, despite the horrible man she married.

 

[lovemygoofy]

Well what stinks is the mother, her parents , and even her sister have had their pictures plastered all over the news and unfortunately there will be someone everywhere they go that will remember them. If she is in fact not guilty which I am 50/50 on then she should make plans to leave America if she is to ever give her a kid a normal life which is sad to say but unfortunately this what we have become as a nation.

Americans have a really short memory for the most part and I personally don't think Americans throw rocks at someone due to sins of the father.
There are children of murders/rapists/prisoners everyday around and I'm pretty sure they go on to live happy normal lives.

 

[sunshinehighway]

That's what I said!

I know. I was just agreeing with you.

 

[skylizard]

I've seen nothing showing her parents or sister. I've seen an old pic of the mom, possibly HS grad pic & then her in a burqa or hijab, which gives me zero clue of what she looks like. I think early on there was something of the mother supposedly putting her child in a van, but nothing identifying about the child either. I do think it would be possible to walk away with a new name & not be known.

It's definitely possible for them to start fresh, if they are truly innocent. The parents had already listed their house on the market just before the attacks. They could easily move to a new part of the country and provide a normal life for that little girl.

 

[momontheright]

I've seen nothing showing her parents or sister. I've seen an old pic of the mom, possibly HS grad pic & then her in a burqa or hijab, which gives me zero clue of what she looks like. I think early on there was something of the mother supposedly putting her child in a van, but nothing identifying about the child either. I do think it would be possible to walk away with a new name & not be known.

Really you have seen nothing? There have been pics of both her parents and sister in the yard at their house even of the poor child with her face blocked out.

Americans have a really short memory for the most part and I personally don't think Americans throw rocks at someone due to sins of the father.
There are children of murders/rapists/prisoners everyday around and I'm pretty sure they go on to live happy normal lives.

I don't know I just think if that little girl is ever going to have a normal life she needs to be free of this tragedy. Most so called "everyday crimes" aren't as publicized so I am sure children and spouses are able to make a clean break but this is such highly publicized crime there will always be that one person who remembers.

 

[skater]

If her Mom is not guilty of anything, there is no good reason for her to live with anyone else. I say this as a mother of 3 children, 2 of them adopted. I believe in adoption, but I also know that there is heartbreak associated with it. This child already lost her Dad - if her Mom is innocent, there's no reason for her to lose her mom too.

 

[lovemygoofy]

Really you have seen nothing? There have been pics of both her parents and sister in the yard at their house even of the poor child with her face blocked out.



I don't know I just think if that little girl is ever going to have a normal life she needs to be free of this tragedy. Most so called "everyday crimes" aren't as publicized so I am sure children and spouses are able to make a clean break but this is such highly publicized crime there will always be that one person who remembers.

People everywhere live with the "sins of the family" and you live somewhere small or a close community it is highly publicized. The family of George Zimmerman in Florida are still living their life. I would imagine anyone related to Oswald still lived with their life after he killed Kennedy. It's about teaching your family toleration and love of others to make a difference. If we all keep teaching this, there will be a difference in how we treat everyone.