FP + What we know and what we want to know

[mom2rtk]

I guess we can expect more ride downtime.

Translation: Lower ride capacity. Not higher.

 

[mousermerf]

But they usually decided the NIGHT before based on their schedule, it was a LAST minute decision. They bought their tickets at the gate, Now if they call the night before we will have to stop what we are doing to get everyone online to see if there are an FP+ available and they have to buy tickets the night before.

It messes up last minute locals from enjoying the parks, they already struggle to get last minute ADRs at popular places.

Equal access does not guarantee an equal result.

They have just as much of an opportunity to make reservations in advance as anyone else.

 

[Lorilais_mommie]

Am I right in saying that if you have FP+ you can not use the FP- system...

But we do not know if once you are at the park if you can add more FPs to the FP+ via the kiosk or cell phone?

 

[mousermerf]

Am I right in saying that if you have FP+ you can not use the FP- system...

But we do not know if once you are at the park if you can add more FPs to the FP+ via the kiosk or cell phone?

Yes.

Though in theory it has been tested and thus stated by the test terms that if you fail to make a FP+ return time, you can reschedule based on availability day-of.

 

[Mkrop]

Equal access does not guarantee an equal result.

They have just as much of an opportunity to make reservations in advance as anyone else.

Yes they do but sometimes work schedules dont allow for that...but before all of this they could at least have the same access to FPs as everyone else who walked in the park at the same time they did. Even myself, if I decided to jump on a plane from PA for a quick trip, I may not be able to eat at Le Cellier but I could have the same opportunity to ride TSMM as everyone else whether I booked my trip the night before or 1 year before.

 

[mousermerf]

Yes they do but sometimes work schedules dont allow for that...but before all of this they could at least have the same access to FPs as everyone else who walked in the park at the same time they did. Even myself, if I decided to jump on a plane from PA for a quick trip, I may not be able to eat at Le Cellier but I could have the same opportunity to ride TSMM as everyone else whether I booked my trip the night before or 1 year before.

..if you arrive at DHS at 9am. What about people with flights that arrive early morning who will only have 1 park day? From like 11 to close? Do they not deserve to ride Toy Story Mania with a FP...?

What about those with odd sleep schedules? What about if I just don't like breakfast? What if I have to work in the morning or take an important phone call? What if I oversleep?

 

[mousermerf]

And for the record, most guests arrive in to a park between 11am and 1pm. The current system caters to a minority.

 

[mousermerf]

Info dump direct from Disney, watch the video in the article:

http://blogs.computerworld.com/priv...itor-behavior-disneys-mymagic-rfid-wristbands

3 per day, Resort guests not given additional or priority. Ability to give more as the crowds/day dictates, but 3 is the norm. "We believe this should be a benefit to everyone, so everyone will have the same access" - info from Executive VP on the project, speaking directly to camera/reporter. "In Wide Use This Spring."

 

[Squidgyness]

Info dump direct from Disney, watch the video in the article:

http://blogs.computerworld.com/privacy/21610/big-brother-mickey-mouse-monitor-behavior-disneys-mymagic-rfid-wristbands

3 per day, Resort guests not given additional or priority. Ability to give more as the crowds/day dictates, but 3 is the norm. "We believe this should be a benefit to everyone, so everyone will have the same access" - info from Executive VP on the project, speaking directly to camera/reporter. "In Wide Use This Spring."

Wow. So offsite get the same access after all then, I guess the guy who suggested offsite visitors will just use ticket or AP numbers not package numbers to get the exact same access as onsite was right. I guess the unique selling point for the resorts will be the other benefits of the wristband that they get free as opposed to an RFID ticket and touch to pay. I can't imagine it costing more than 40 dollars anyway though... Unless they really gouged the heck out of it. I still think I'd prefer an RFID card in my wallet anyway.

So... Seems with similar access to the system, this was indeed more about advertising to everyone they can and park crowd control than switching people to stay at Disney. Beyond a free band and some resort unique benefits like the roomkey function, is there anything they get that offsite don't?

On that note, I just realised uk visitors might have to pay uk prices to book fp plus in advance. We always bought at the gate due to mice exchange rates. Hmm.

 

[Wadecool]

You never saw me on here saying that FP enforcement must be started prior to the announcement of the rollout.

Lol

 

[Lorilais_mommie]

Yes.

Though in theory it has been tested and thus stated by the test terms that if you fail to make a FP+ return time, you can reschedule based on availability day-of.

Ok...
But we still don't know, that if you use all of you allotment of 3 or 4 if you can add more right?
As long as you are I the park and they are available?
Is this right

 

[estherhead]

..if you arrive at DHS at 9am. What about people with flights that arrive early morning who will only have 1 park day? From like 11 to close? Do they not deserve to ride Toy Story Mania with a FP...?

What about those with odd sleep schedules? What about if I just don't like breakfast? What if I have to work in the morning or take an important phone call? What if I oversleep?

They currently can't ride tsm. The fps would give by then anyway under the current system. They at least have a better chance on the new system.

 

[doconeill]

Thanks for the insight. Was the information I was looking for other than hearing people speculate about maximum ride capacities and Disney not being able to do anything to increase capacity on their attractions.

I'm a bit confused...why does mousemerf's anecdote on reducing staff answer a question on whether Disney can increase capacity?

Of COURSE if they are underutilizing an attraction, they can add staff/resources and increase it, if the need is there. But at some point you reach an absolute maximum at most attractions - and at those where it can be argued that you can just keep reducing times to increase capacity, there are diminishing returns. If you keep shortening the length, more and more guests will deem the wait not worth it.

In some cases, however, you might shorten the length of a show and see MORE than the expected increase in utilization. In some cases, guests may skip an attraction because it is _too_ long...in which case reducing the length could attract more guests.

 

[doconeill]

Ok...
But we still don't know, that if you use all of you allotment of 3 or 4 if you can add more right?
As long as you are I the park and they are available?
Is this right

All the video said in that regard is that they might grant additional FP+s based on availability, mood, etc., which is in keeping with the T&C. The real new information is that the plan is currently three FP+ in advance, straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

 

[mousermerf]

All the video said in that regard is that they might grant additional FP+s based on availability, mood, etc., which is in keeping with the T&C. The real new information is that the plan is currently three FP+ in advance, straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak.

Well, that and the whole Resort Guests and Day Guest and all Ticket Holders are equal. No benefits for resort guests and no intention of there being any at a later date. Even footing for everyone.

 

[doconeill]

They currently can't ride tsm. The fps would give by then anyway under the current system. They at least have a better chance on the new system.

They absolutely can ride TSM - they just need to ride standby.

But yes, the new system would appear to allow them a better chance.

 

[doconeill]

Well, that and the whole Resort Guests and Day Guest and all Ticket Holders are equal. No benefits for resort guests and no intention of there being any at a later date. Even footing for everyone.

Oops...yes, that too.

 

[Squidgyness]

Well, that and the whole Resort Guests and Day Guest and all Ticket Holders are equal. No benefits for resort guests and no intention of there being any at a later date. Even footing for everyone.

Very revealing they want offsite, locals and onsite to be equal, don't you think? Really does Suggest advertising is the name of the game, along with crowd control.

Makes sense, they couldn't allow a significant proportion of park guests to go unobserved and Unappealed to for souvenirs etc... Less scope for profit. I can see offsite guests using their ticket number to access the my magic site and seeing ads like "Not too late to stay onsite! The ... Resort is still available at a great rate!" Or "can't quite stretch to a deluxe visit at a WDW resort? Try a unique dining experience at..." Followed by the name of whatever restaurant they haven't yet filled up completely. Not to mention souvenirs, snacks, ride adverts.

Good for onsite people in that they can prebook fastpass plusses just like onsite I guess.

The direct from Disney tickets and prices aren't quite as attractive, but hey ho.

 

[Jennasis]

No matter what happens, I am not spending one friggin' cent more on my Disney vacations than we currently do. I will not pay to upgrade to a "fancy band"...I will not pay extra for more FP. I will take whatever comes with our room/tix/pkg but I flat out refuse to spend anything else on upgrades. They get enough of my money for a room, park tix, food and the occasional trading pin. They can "target market" me till the cows come home but I'm not buying.

We are so very near the cusp of being priced out of a Disney vacation as it is. I love Disney so much it hurts. But I can't afford more than we spend right now.

I am really worried that the whole FP+ thing is going to blow up in Disney's face and they're going to look foolish when it is a raging failure...like the whole New Coke debacle. I hope I'm wrong...i really do.

 

[Squidgyness]

No matter what happens, I am not spending one friggin' cent more on my Disney vacations than we currently do. I will not pay to upgrade to a "fancy band"...I will not pay extra for more FP. I will take whatever comes with our room/tix/pkg but I flat out refuse to spend anything else on upgrades. They get enough of my money for a room, park tix, food and the occasional trading pin. They can "target market" me till the cows come home but I'm not buying.

We are so very near the cusp of being priced out of a Disney vacation as it is. I love Disney so much it hurts. But I can't afford more than we spend right now.

I am really worried that the whole FP+ thing is going to blow up in Disney's face and they're going to look foolish when it is a raging failure...like the whole New Coke debacle. I hope I'm wrong...i really do.

I'm already priced out along with my family... This is only affecting my decision on if I want to ever go back if I can get some income together in the future. Based on current equal footing situation being presented for onsite and offsite, similar to old fp in that respect, ill keep trying to get back.

But I agree with you, they won't really affect my spending. But I think we are a rare breed on this site (I myself am rarer than most in demographic and circumstance...) so who knows, it might be a big success.