My P&S camera, which I rarely ever use, is a 3-year-old Sony - it's a slim credit-card style, internal folding lens design with a tiny sensor and no manual controls. It does have some moderate settings accessible in P mode (It's either P or Auto or Scene modes)...such as White Balance, ISO, EV, metering mode, and focus area. That's it - no actual control over shutter or aperture. However, the fact that it has a center-weight meter and a spot focus, plus EV, allows one to control the exposure to a fairly high degree...I can adjust the shutter and aperture by metering off lighter or darker areas in the frame, lock down with a half-press shutter, and adjust the exposure under- or over- using the EV. So despite being a mostly automatic slim pocket camera, I can still exert photographic control over the shot by limiting the metering and focus areas and using that for exposure control. Even such a tiny amount of control makes a big difference for me as a photo enthusiast, and part of the reason I haven't warmed to phones as cameras. Not to mention the fact that when I'm in a place inspiring enough to make me want to take a photo of it, the last thing I want to be doing is chatting on a phone, so in most such places my phone is turned OFF! I can't even imagine how annoying it would be if I was lining up a beautiful shot, and suddenly my camera started ringing and flashing caller ID! I prefer to keep my phones and my cameras as far apart from eachother as possible.