ALL vaccines? And this guy graduated from med school? Wow.
Yes, and she is wonderful. She gave us the names of a pediatrician that thinks the same way so we are able to selectively vaccinate our children.
ALL vaccines? And this guy graduated from med school? Wow.
I would have no trouble at all lying for a religious exemption. It is ludicrous and discriminatory that there is not a philosophical exemption. My closely held ethical views are just as important to me as any belief in the supernatural is to someone who is religious.
What about the child who has been vaccinated but catches a strain the vaccine doesn't cover and then gives other children the flu?
Firstly, I don't see people condemning you, or others, for having a legitimate religious objection. As I said earlier in the thread, for example, I have a religious and moral objection to war which would preclude me from serving in the military and so I would object to being forced to serve against my will. What I am reading is people criticizing the OP for choosing to lie, or create an alternate version of reality, about having a religious objection when she does not actually have one and then asking others to endorse her wish to do so. In other words, I see her as one of the posters you are criticizing in the second paragraph.
As to your second paragraph, are the people saying that the OP should not lie the same ones posting about sneaking their kids into WDW or otherwise advocating lying? I suspect they are not, and if they are not, I think your statement that they cannot have it both ways is unfair because they are not asking for that privilege.
I don't believe one needs to claim to be of a certain religion, only that their religious beliefs don't allow their child to be vaccinated. Maybe her religious beliefs are that we shouldn't inject certain foreign bodies into the body that her God created
OP here....thanks so much for all the replies. My oldest just ended up with a fever from the shot, but I never even told the doctor. When I called the school I told them about my reason being because my oldest had a bad reaction and she said that was not a reason and I had to get it done or she couldn't come back to school. Now if I say it is a religious reason, they know I am lying. Will they question me? I hate to lie, but I am feeling so backed into a corner.
Yes, if that were the case, but...
...it's not the case for the OP.
It sounds like some posters, for reasons that are inexplicable to me, honestly have a religious objection to vaccines, but the OP does not. And while I doubt "I have a religious belief that I am the sole decider for my children" is the intent behind the religious exemption (I suspect it is carved out for those who are Christian Scientists or otherwise eschew medical treatment), the fact is the exemption does exist, due to the 1st amendment. But the OP doesn't hold that belief, so she is lying and asking others to say it is OK. And those who share her opinion on the vaccine are telling her it's OK to lie because it endorses their position. All I'm saying is that A) she has a choice, B) if she chooses to lie, she shouldn't pretend it's NOT a lie just because she fabricated a cover story to soothe her conscience and C) rather than lie, she should own her decision and accept the consequences, which in this case are that her daughter doesn't get to go to preschool.
But who gets to define legitimate? Maybe I don't believe in xyz and I think it is a crock. Does that make it illegitimate? See what I am saying? As far as a religious objection, again, like all religions it is interpretation. My religion states that I care for my children. For me that means making decisions that are best for my children. No alternate version of reality for me.
As for who thinks it is okay to lie about some of the things I have posted, I don't keep track of who says what so I couldn't really tell you if they are the same people. I would be willing to bet that at least a few have. Of course I could be wrong but statistically I don't think I am.
ETA- I did want to add that if I didn't like a school's policy I would chose another.
We can doubt and suspect all we want but it is not defined as a certain religion.
OP- it's your child, your choice. These threads on vaccination always get heated and this one is pretty mild in comparison to some. Probably due to it revolving around the flu shot which has a looser following. Read some of the threads debating the other vaccines on the mandatory schedule.
If your preschool won't accept your waiver find another. There's usually a preschool or two nowadays that has a class or after school program for autistic kids and those schools are usually more accepting of waivers. For what it's worth I'm perfectly ok with you belonging to the religion of "not harming your own child" whether that reason be a peer reviewed medically valid reason or just mother's intuition.
May I ask how she is harming her child?
Anyone else ever wonder which side of the vaccine argument Charles Darwin would be on?
Did I just stir the pot a little more? I really am curious and can see him being on either side.
Evolution in action?Anyone else ever wonder which side of the vaccine argument Charles Darwin would be on?
Does anyone know if the regulations concerning preschools in NJ also include all child care centers, head start centers, etc?
They do here--any establishment caring for children under the age of 5.
If that is the case, one of the reasons for a law such as this is that it is covering places that care for children that are too young to get the flu shot (don't they have to be over a certain age?) and children in day cares and in head start that may have extreme medical issues.
So, again, its not about the healthy little cuties you see walking into preschool every morning. Regulations generally cover a wide range of facilities that care for and/or teach a wide range of ages.
Yes, those children can be around someone at WDW with the flu. But, your child is much less apt to catch the flu at WDW than in a preschool setting where every child is wiping their nose with their hand and then touching every toy in the place, sneezing all over each other in a confined area, and sharing germs at every turn. At WDW (and some of the other ridiculous places some of you have mentioned) you are outside in the fresh air, that makes a huge difference. One of the easiest ways to stop germs from spreading in a child care facility is to open a window (and of course bleach toys, tables and chairs daily)
I think its absolutely silly here that some are claiming "religious beliefs" and acting like you have no clue of the definition of that. You know as well as I do why those exemptions exist.
Aren't some of you the EXACT same posters that will argue up and down that "a rule is a rule" when it comes to a kid breaking some inane school rule? And yet here you are suggesting the OP lie (and yes, we all know that it would in fact be a lie. Her kid having a fever after a shot does not suddenly make her religious beliefs change.).
There are risks to every vaccine and IMO I think the tiny risk of catching a virus the body is designed to fight off (we have no health issues here) is a better choice than the maybe tiny, maybe not so tiny risk of taking a vaccine we don't need just b/c 'someone' decided it was necessary to survive.
I don't want the vaccine, I don't need it. There are chemicals in there and I am not taking them EVERY YEAR without a good reason.