Is it possible to get out of getting my dtr the flu shot?

[luvsJack]

Will those children never be exposed to children from or in another state or other children who cannot get a vaccine but get the flu? I hate they can't for whatever reason get vaccinated (assuming their parents even wanted it) but that is not someone else's responsibility. Hopefully, those kids get to go to WDW, but people from other countries may not vaccinate and many from the US don't. At what point, do we mandate everyone else's behavior? I have been vaccinated, but DD hasn't. My immune system stinks, hers doesn't. I don't make her just because my system stinks. DH has to because of his job. It is mandated for him to continue working.

We had an older teen with leukemia at our church. She had a weak immune system. When the doctor allowed it, she came to church with a surgical mask on. We take communion every week. She and her family didn't demand that
stop so she would be at higher risk. The church did provide separate wafers instead of a few large pieces of bread to break off. But, they provided BOTH. I'm sure there were germs even on the plates. Would you request that the rest of the members not have communion because she could get sick?

Should restaurants not have peanuts at all just in case someone with an allergy walks in? If an allergic reaction can be prevented, why not do it? I know it was said in reference to the flu vaccine, but isn't it the same idea?

The difference here is that parents are not demanding anything. And resteraunts are not in the business of taking care of/teaching children.

 

[luvsJack]

I can only speak for me. I do care what shots my kids get. My dh and I make the decisions based on what we know is best for them. Not some random stranger at school. Oh- and since you are asking- I am generally a rule follower but no, nobody will tell me what to put inside my child's body.

So it is disturbing to lie to protect the rights of my child but okay for the exceptions you have listed?

No one is telling you what to put inside your child's body. Only that you have to follow the regs set for preschool age children that are enrolled in preschool.

 

[FayeW]

OP here....thanks so much for all the replies. My oldest just ended up with a fever from the shot, but I never even told the doctor. When I called the school I told them about my reason being because my oldest had a bad reaction and she said that was not a reason and I had to get it done or she couldn't come back to school. .

In my opinion, purely based on the few seconds I took to actually google "fever after a flu vaccine" is that your child did not have a "bad reaction". A fever after a flu shot is an entirely normal reaction for a child to have after a flu shot.

It that is your only objection to giving your daughter the vaccine, then I agree with the school that it is "not a reason".

 

[mjantz]

Fever is not a bad reaction. Hives marching down your Childs body is a bad reaction. (Egg allergy/She now gets the mist).

 

[A_Princess'_Daddy]

I can only speak for me. I do care what shots my kids get. My dh and I make the decisions based on what we know is best for them. Not some random stranger at school. Oh- and since you are asking- I am generally a rule follower but no, nobody will tell me what to put inside my child's body.

They're not telling parents what to put in their children's bodies. They are telling them that if they want their children to attend pre-school, they are to be immunized unless the parent legitimately object on religious grounds or has an actual medical concern, neither of which does the OP have.

If I had to lie to protect my child, you better darn sure believe I would do it. And as far as I was concerned, I would lie to protect my kid from the flu shot, if I felt like the op did.

Or you could follow the law, not lie, and not enroll your child in pre-school. There is always that option, it's just less convenient for the OP.

So would I, in a heartbeat. It's like the question of when people were hiding Jewish folks in their homes and if the Germans came knocking, would you lie to protect the people in danger? I would in that scenario, without a doubt.

Yes, OP's desire to lie in order to not be forced to get a flu shot for her daughter because her sibling may have had a mild reaction to an immunization at an earlier time but that did not even warrant a trip to the doctor at that time is very similar to the stand of those who risked their lives to shield Jews from the Nazis.

As I said in an earlier post, OP, you have a choice. Lie, don't lie, it's up to you. But don't try to create a mythology that makes it OK or somehow not a lie, because it is.

 

[gcarr1426]

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[mickeyplanner08]

Fever is not a bad reaction. Hives marching down your Childs body is a bad reaction. (Egg allergy/She now gets the mist).

Um, all flu vaccines currently on the market are manufactured using hens' eggs-including the flu mist.

 

[mjantz]

I don't know what the difference is then because it was recommended to us as an alternative to the flu shot when she reacted to it. And, she's had an egg triggered reaction since stopping the shot & starting the mist so I know she still reacts.

 

[SaraJayne]

Fever is not a bad reaction. Hives marching down your Childs body is a bad reaction. (Egg allergy/She now gets the mist).

FluMist contains eggs.

Who should not get FluMist?

You should not get FluMist if you have a severe allergy to eggs, gentamicin, gelatin, or arginine; have ever had a life-threatening reaction to influenza vaccinations; or are 2 through 17 years old and take aspirin or medicines containing aspirin – children or adolescents should not be given aspirin for 4 weeks after getting FluMist unless your healthcare provider tells you otherwise.

Children under 2 years old have an increased risk of wheezing (difficulty with breathing) after getting FluMist.

 

[Ceila]

I guess its wrong to lie to avoid your child being injected with chemicals, but its okay to lie to avoid them finding out Mickey isn't real. Only on the DIS

Lying about Santa and Mickey won't hurt anyone else, whereas lying about the vaccine could jeopardize someone with a weak immune system.

 

[tinkerbellandeeyor]

Okay but if I would have gotten anything other then flu which I do get I would be a vegetable today due to my physical disability does that make my parents selfish for making this choice?

 

[Ceila]

Okay but if I would have gotten anything other then flu which I do get I would be a vegetable today due to my physical disability does that make my parents selfish for making this choice?

Your post is a bit confusing, but I think you are trying to say that, due to some physical issues, you were not medically able to have other vaccines, is that correct? If that is the case, then nobody would think your parents were selfish for not having you vaccinated, they were keeping you safe because of actual medical issues. In fact, people like you are exactly who those of us who do vaccinate are helping. Since you cannot be protected via vaccines, you have to rely on herd immunity. Those who choose to ignore medical facts and refuse to vaccinate their children for no valid reason are the ones who put people like you at risk.

 

[tinkerbellandeeyor]

Your post is a bit confusing, but I think you are trying to say that, due to some physical issues, you were not medically able to have other vaccines, is that correct? If that is the case, then nobody would think your parents were selfish for not having you vaccinated, they were keeping you safe because of actual medical issues. In fact, people like you are exactly who those of us who do vaccinate are helping. Since you cannot be protected via vaccines, you have to rely on herd immunity. Those who choose to ignore medical facts and refuse to vaccinate their children for no valid reason are the ones who put people like you at risk.

Yes sorry about the confusing post

 

[Ceila]

Yes sorry about the confusing post

no worries!

 

[Robbi]

OP, so what if they know you're lying:
The emergence of pathogenic virus infections like influenza and HIV have created an urgent need for new vaccines.
Virus-based vaccines are made in living cells (cell substrates). Some manufacturers are investigating the use of new cell lines to make vaccines. The continual growth of cell lines ensures that there is a consistent supply of the same cells that can yield high quantities of the vaccine.
In some cases the cell lines that are used might be tumorigenic, that is, they form tumors when injected into rodents. Some of these tumor-forming cell lines may contain cancer-causing viruses that are not actively reproducing. Such viruses are hard to detect using standard methods. These latent, or "quiet," viruses pose a potential threat, since they might become active under vaccine manufacturing conditions.
Therefore, to ensure the safety of vaccines, our laboratory is investigating ways to activate latent viruses in cell lines and to detect the activated viruses, as well as other unknown viruses, using new technologies. We will then adapt our findings to detect viruses in the same types of cell substrates that are used to produce vaccines. We are also trying to identify specific biological processes that reflect virus activity.
Researchers have now for over 50 years that vaccines contain cancer cells.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

Lying about Santa and Mickey won't hurt anyone else, whereas lying about the vaccine could jeopardize someone with a weak immune system.

Well, according to some if you lie about anything including those you have mentioned you will have children who hate you and don't believe anything you tell them because they are scarred for life. I of course don't subscribe to that.

As for your second point- if you have a weak immune system then being anywhere puts you at risk. A common cold could be damaging.

I do want to point out that I find it hysterical that people are so adamant that you not lie about your religious beliefs and just take your child out of the school etc. Seriously? For me, my religion states (condensed version w/o getting in trouble for forbidden topics) that I am supposed to care for my children. Meaning I have to decide what is best for them. So in essence, yes, it is not a lie that my religious beliefs would conflict with the requirement. I know, I know, some will say it is twisting it and wrapping a lie up all pretty. Perhaps to some, but I feel strongly enough that it is my job to make the decisions for my children. So, yes, it does conflict with my beliefs.

I do love though how so many preach of not lying etc. and then we see 900 posts from people asking if they can pass their 10 year old for 2, or lying about when they are going on a trip to surprise the kids, or writing a letter to the school about how they are taking an "educational" trip to WDW. You (a general you) can't pick and chose what to lie about and get all self righteous because someone might chose something else. Overall I dislike lying and discourage it. I do however think that sometimes it is not the end of the world. I would never tell a person they look horrible even if they do etc.

I do the best I can to protect my children from harm. I like to think that other parents do as well. Do I always agree with their choices? No. That's okay though, I know they don't always agree with mine. Live and let live.

 

[mhsjax]

It's kind of like Chicken Pox. The director of DD's preschool called me to tell me another child in her class had it so she had to notify the parents. I asked if she could make sure DD hugged the other child goodbye before she left the school. . Truly, I was glad she was exposed before kindergarten. DD did get them, BTW. Now, 16 years later, her friends who were vaccinated are getting revaccinated. One got actual chicken pox and felt worse than DD did at 4. It was much harder on her.

My mom tried that with me, I never got the darn things. When I had my kids, my DH and I had to get vaccinated first because neither of us had any immunity to chicken pox.

 

[mhsjax]

Lying about Santa and Mickey won't hurt anyone else, whereas lying about the vaccine could jeopardize someone with a weak immune system.

Don't you think that the kid whose parent did have a real religious objection to it, could also be infecting other kids. See how incredibly stupid this it?

 

[njcarita]

OP, so what if they know you're lying:
The emergence of pathogenic virus infections like influenza and HIV have created an urgent need for new vaccines.
Virus-based vaccines are made in living cells (cell substrates). Some manufacturers are investigating the use of new cell lines to make vaccines. The continual growth of cell lines ensures that there is a consistent supply of the same cells that can yield high quantities of the vaccine.
In some cases the cell lines that are used might be tumorigenic, that is, they form tumors when injected into rodents. Some of these tumor-forming cell lines may contain cancer-causing viruses that are not actively reproducing. Such viruses are hard to detect using standard methods. These latent, or "quiet," viruses pose a potential threat, since they might become active under vaccine manufacturing conditions.
Therefore, to ensure the safety of vaccines, our laboratory is investigating ways to activate latent viruses in cell lines and to detect the activated viruses, as well as other unknown viruses, using new technologies. We will then adapt our findings to detect viruses in the same types of cell substrates that are used to produce vaccines. We are also trying to identify specific biological processes that reflect virus activity.
Researchers have now for over 50 years that vaccines contain cancer cells.

where did this info come from???? is it from a peer reviewed paper........???? i worked with Cell lines for a long time...... and dont see how a virus will survive the prep process of producing a vaccine....doesnt make sense to me at all...so i would love to see the theory behind this to see if it makes sceintific sense ......but its not my field of study.....I wasnt a virologist..... just a plain old biochemist.............

 

[Robbi]

where did this info come from???? is it from a peer reviewed paper........???? i worked with Cell lines for a long time...... and dont see how a virus will survive the prep process of producing a vaccine....doesnt make sense to me at all...so i would love to see the theory behind this to see if it makes sceintific sense ......but its not my field of study.....I wasnt a virologist..... just a plain old biochemist.............

Investigating Viruses in Cells Used to Make Vaccines; and Evaluating the Potential Threat
Posed by Transmission of Viruses to Humans
Principal Investigator: Arifa S. Khan, PhD
Office / Division / Lab: OVRR / DVP / LR
General Overview

http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/scienceresearch/biologicsresearchareas/ucm127327.htm

There's more. I also recommend reading Dr. Mary's Monkey.