Underage drinking parties UPDATED INFO POST 68.....

[scbelleatheart]

My DS had a player agreement in high school and he knew we would not bail him out if he violated the agreement even tho over the years plenty of parents did scream, whine, lay on the floor kicking etc, and the majority of the time they got their way, it sent the wrong message IMO. I personally did not like the agreement, I think they are stupid and in many ways unenforceable but they were required by our district if one wanted to play.

My problem with the agreements is that "hearsay" should not be allowed and being in the proximity does not mean one partook. If the kids are being banned from a sport due to being in attendance at this party, then I too would be screaming foul.
If the kids were busted consuming or in possession then that is a whole nother story and they agreement should be enforced. Unfortunately over the years what I saw a lot of was guilt by association not by actual deed and that is my issue with those agreements.

Agree, it is high school. Hearsay doesn't hold water. More so now than in the 90's. I would not want to raise child now. Mine played outside, did not have play dates, played sports but they were requested to sign contracts. That did not go over well when the Minister /Coach required them all to attend his church services. That went over well..
The main point is when our children attend public school, they have no rights, They cannot call a parent to know what to say or do because the school is a considered an "the ruling authority" while they are in charge of our children but a contract to take it outside of school is circomventing the parental responsibility and taking it out of parent's hands.

Sad huh? No wonder so many home school. Our children have no rights in the public schools.
OK, rant over!

 

[snarlingcoyote]

In my state, the party wouldn't have been illegal. So long as no one drank and drove, the police wouldn't have gotten involved. It would be a private ethical and moral question for the parents.

 

[badblackpug]

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Agree, it is high school. Hearsay doesn't hold water. More so now than in the 90's. I would not want to raise child now. Mine played outside, did not have play dates, played sports but they were requested to sign contracts. That did not go over well when the Minister /Coach required them all to attend his church services. That went over well..
The main point is when our children attend public school, they have no rights, They cannot call a parent to know what to say or do because the school is a considered an "the ruling authority" while they are in charge of our children but a contract to take it outside of school is circomventing the parental responsibility and taking it out of parent's hands.

Sad huh? No wonder so many home school. Our children have no rights in the public schools.
OK, rant over!

I guess I'm confused. You have no problem with the coach forcing your kids to practice a religion, but you have an issue with them signing a contract saying that they will not drink, do drugs, or be involved in illegal activity while they are a member of said team?

Personally, I would have a HUGE issue with a coach forcing my kids to practice a certain religion. I have no issue with the sports contract. In my kids' school, at least, the consequences of violating that contract is that you are kicked off the team. I don't see that as circumventing my parenting.

 

[Arielle22]

That is because DUI laws are not about safety and never have been. They are about making money. If they were about safety they would not pull over DDs or arrest you for sleeping in your car and not driving home. Safety is a side effect of the money crab no doubt but it isn't the main motivator.

Considering how many Americans love things like the Patriot Act and NDAA and support and re-elect their authors and signors (which encompasses both parties by the way) it isn't really that big of a stretch that so many give up more freedoms to the government which is exactly what public schools are...an extensions of the government. There have been companies that asked for your Facebook credentials and no way would I agree. I'd walk out of the interview no matter how high the salary was.

So how would you tell the difference between someone trying to drive but passed out in the car before doing so and someone sleeping it off in their car?

There have been several cases around here recently where people found sleeping behind the wheel were woken up and then tried to drive away.

I have always stressed with my daughters that if they are found breaking any law they will have to deal with the consequences.

I work in HR and a DUI would not mean you wereinelig le for hire. At my last job where driving was involved a DUI would make you ineligible for 3 years as insurance wouldn't cover you. We ran driving record Checks quarterly and would term if certain major offenses or several minor ones were found.

I disagree with the poster who said driving age should be raised while the drinking age lowered. A teen has valid reasons for driving but no valid reason to drink.

 

[shinysparklybubbles]

So how would you tell the difference between someone trying to drive but passed out in the car before doing so and someone sleeping it off in their car?

I think, your keys need to be in your trunk. My DH's friend was sleeping it off in his car, ran his car because it was winter and got busted for DUI even thought he never drove.

 

[FireDancer]

So how would you tell the difference between someone trying to drive but passed out in the car before doing so and someone sleeping it off in their car?

Who cares? I don't want to have people arrested for pre-crimes. Unless they are in their car and driving while over the legal limit I don't want them arrested for what them might have done in an alternate reality.

 

[disneyshakeygirl]

18 is the legal drinking age here so I guess I don't see the big deal.

In Alberta, Quebec, and Manitoba, it's 18. All other provinces, it's 19.

 

[DeltaDiamond001]

When I was younger, my parents frequently allowed me to go to parties as long as the parents were home and I would be spending the night.

I always gave the parents my keys and told them not to give them back to me, regardless of what I might later say.

I personally don't see the problem with teen parties as long as there are parents present and everyone, regardless of consumption, spends the night.

I don't know of many, if any, underage kids who haven't gone to a party and drank and/or smoked pot. It's just something that's going to happen, and personally, I'd rather it happen under my supervision.

As long as the kids are in a safe environment, with parents present, and the party stays inside as not to disrupt neighbors, I don't have an issue with it.

Just my opinion.