Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 6

[hellokitty86]

http://preesi.lefora.com/2009/08/13/people-scans-aug-24-2009/page1/

Thank you!

 

[madge]

So are they trying to spin more 'poor me' for Kate, since Jon 'wouldn't let her in? If she was supposed to be in, the police wouldn't have had her leave. I dislike TLC as much as those 2! Kate was at fault here, spin all you want TLC, your show is going down!

TLC is as much a part of this as Jon and Kate, IMO. Not this specific event of Kate showing up at the house .. but, in the overall problem with the show and maybe even the marriage.

 

[newtodis]

After a tumultuous few days, including a police-mitigated feud then peaceful reunion with estranged husband Jon, reality star Kate Gosselin is back in her daily routine.

Saturday afternoon Kate had a small picnic outdoors with her eight children, where she was seen wearing her wedding ring.

The ring would suggest Kate is keeping consistent with her plan to gradually adjust her children to their newly-single mother.

Last week Kate told Meredith Vieira on the Today Show that that she's been "wearing the ring because it's been there for ten years, just because the kids still see it, they've seen it their whole lives."

"When the time is right I'll take it off...I want all of this to be very gradual," she added.


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/08/hot-pics-kate-gosselin-picnics-kids-ring-back-finger

 

[newtodis]

On a talk radio show on xm radio, a host was suggesting that anytime any tv station shows an ad for jk8, mentions jk8, shows the show jk8, viewers should change the channel and then email the station telling them what they did and that they will keep doing it as long as jk8 ads or info or shows are continued. He stated that if enough people do this, the tv stations will get the message and something will happen about the show very, very quickly.

I thought that was an interesting concept. A lot of listeners who called in supported his idea and even suggested boycotting the magazines they are in and emailing the magazines as well!

That's been talked about before here several times. I personally don't see enough people having enough time in their day to write enough letters to make a difference - emails maybe but not an actual letter. I do totally agree that if you don't want to support the show, don't buy the stuff, look at pictures or watch other shows that show/talk about J&K.

in a not so shocking turn of events ...
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/08/exclusive-jon-gosselin-now-has-bad-marriage-tlc

If Jon's showing TLC as much respect as he's showing his family right now, I'd be ticked off with him too. Good for him to not try to work "around" the show - if you want something included, go aobut it in the right direction.

I decided to read the article (and there goes 5 more minutes of my life down the drain) and I agree with a pp who said it was dumb. It's all about Jon! I know how she got here, it's sad she doesn't!

This woman has so much, yes, a lot of material things, but some other things of value as well, if she would just open her eyes and see them. She should have a great life about now, but she has chosen not to. It doesn't matter what Jon has done, she has healthy children, a full staff to attend to daily life and no financial worries. Yet, all she does is point out Jon's faults and cry 'poor me'

I don't think the article was dumb. I think it was done much more nicer than Jon's "interviews" chatting with "friends" at the fence. I don't know how you could know how she got to where she is - you're only seeing what the rest of us are seeing unless you're holding out on us and know something we don't know! (and if you are, you better share the details! )

I agree that she does have a lot of things - both material and not. I don't think Kate's "chosen" not to be happy. I'm sure she didn't choose to have Jon go out and act like he's acting. She may be happy with her choices but certainly not with how things are playing out for her kids....it's not going to be good (IMHO) when the kids grow up a bit and see all the things playing out - just not letting Kate in the gate would cause the kids to ask why he wouldn't let mommy in.....aside from the other crazy things.

There's a song by a band that I love.....I think it kind of describes how Kate's feeling but Jon should listen and take note. It's called Highway 20 Ride by the Zac Brown Band and here are the lyrics:

Lyrics to Highway 20 Ride :
I ride east every other Friday
but if I had it my way
the day would not be wasted on this drive.
I want so bad to hold you
son there’s things I haven’t told you
your mom and me we couldn’t get along

so I drive, and I think about my life
and wonder why, that I’ll slowly die inside
every time I turn that truck around right at the Georgia line
and I count the days and the miles back home to you
on that highway 20 ride.

The day might come you’ll realize
That if you see thru my eyes
There was no other way to work it out
And a part of you might hate me
Son please don’t mistake me
For a man that didnt care at all

So I drive, and I think about my life
And wonder why, that’ll slowly die inside
Every time I turn that truck around right at the Georgia line
And I count the days and the miles back home to you
On that highway 20 ride.

So when you drive, as the years go flying by
I hope you smile, if I ever cross your mind
It was the pleasure of my life
And I cherished everytime
And my whole world it begins and ends with you
on that highway 20 ride

Whoa 20 ride x 2
Highway 20 ride.
and I ride..
Whoa..

http://www.lyricsmania.com/lyrics/z...rics_76054/highway_20_ride_lyrics_846946.html

You can watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpi_iC_oHjs

So are they trying to spin more 'poor me' for Kate, since Jon 'wouldn't let her in? If she was supposed to be in, the police wouldn't have had her leave. I dislike TLC as much as those 2! Kate was at fault here, spin all you want TLC, your show is going down!

I agree if the agreement was that she wasn't supposed to be there, she should not have been there. If she thought the kids were in any kind of trouble, she should have called the police first and had them go with her and also bring her attorney or whoever else needed to be present. I'm all for following the "rules" as challenging as that might be but can also understand the "momma bear" instict if you think something's happening to your kids.

I agree it's not smart on TLC's part to "take sides" at all in any of this or how they promoted the season premire. They've got almost as much into this family as J&K at this point.

Maybe Kate will be on the Bachellorette some day???

 

[lucas]

I meant we may not agree.

Do you know you can go up above to the tools and subscribe?

Of course I know you can go above to subscribe.

In fact, I'd love to use it to unsubscribe to this thread. But, I can't stay away from J&K news.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

in a not so shocking turn of events ...
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/08/exclusive-jon-gosselin-now-has-bad-marriage-tlc

Hmmm, maybe we're all correct in thinking that Jon is purposely doing some of these things to get out of TLC's contract. They definitely sound unhappy with him but of course that's only because he's tarnishing an image they want him to have.

As much as Jon makes me insane lately, it's not quite fair that he not be allowed to do interviews because TLC doesn't like it. Then again, I wonder what the contract stipulates? Kate is obviously allowed to speak out. TLC aren't idiots, they know that the only way to salvage the show is if Kate is perceived as the woman scorned. Of course it may well be true that she is but regardless, it's in TLC's best interest to perpetuate that image of Kate which is I'm sure why she's allowed to do the interviews. Jon did do that In Touch article though, right? Geez, I can't imagine what else either of them would even have to say about their divorce anyway. I'm still kind of in shock that it will all be finalized by the end of Sept.

 

[DMRick]

Of course I know you can go above to subscribe.

In fact, I'd love to use it to unsubscribe to this thread. But, I can't stay away from J&K news.

Which is why they are still successful. Although, I stopped for groceries on teh way home from my picnic, and I had to really search to find something at the check out with K & J. Finally found something from the Enquierer (spelling?), and i had to laugh. It shows a picture of Kate when at the beach, when she was shooing the boys in from a wave, but made it sound like she was about to hit them, and said the kids run and hide from her and her hitting. Jon has all sorts of stuff to prove she's a lousy mother. He's keeping a list, a source says. Yep, just like in real life (oh, this is real life), it's going ot get worse before it gets better.

Also, I'll have to hold judgement on what Kate was doing at the door until the next round of interviews comes out. Maybe one of the kids called her crying, because the garage door was locked and they couldn't find daddy in the house (read between the lines). Ridiculous? Of course, but I have no idea why she was there or what she might have been told on the phone. Or maybe Mady was mad at Jon because he wouldn't let her play out front, and got even by calling mommy.
I'm glad she left when the police told her too, as I wouldn't want her to get arrested.

 

[LoraJ]

Hmmm, maybe we're all correct in thinking that Jon is purposely doing some of these things to get out of TLC's contract. They definitely sound unhappy with him but of course that's only because he's tarnishing an image they want him to have.

As much as Jon makes me insane lately, it's not quite fair that he not be allowed to do interviews because TLC doesn't like it. Then again, I wonder what the contract stipulates? Kate is obviously allowed to speak out. TLC aren't idiots, they know that the only way to salvage the show is if Kate is perceived as the woman scorned. Of course it may well be true that she is but regardless, it's in TLC's best interest to perpetuate that image of Kate which is I'm sure why she's allowed to do the interviews. Jon did do that In Touch article though, right? Geez, I can't imagine what else either of them would even have to say about their divorce anyway. I'm still kind of in shock that it will all be finalized by the end of Sept.

I'd like the show better sans Jon. Give him what he wants. See how long he can afford his new lifestyle.

 

[DMRick]

I'd like the show better sans Jon. Give him what he wants. See how long he can afford his new lifestyle.

Me too.

 

[walden]

Me too.

Yes, but no! I'm a comparative newbie at all of this so please take this as is -- A comparatively new viewer's (6 weeks viewing) gut response. The Gosselins make me feel sick. Very sick.

Total disclosure: I haven't watched every episode, but thanks to a badly broken ankle I've watched a whole lot more than I probably should have for my own sanity . . . those darn J & K marathons . . .

Honestly, in the 'repeat' episodes that I have watched I saw much better parenting from Jon than I ever saw from Kate -- over the years.

My newbie take on this: that Kate lady is really nuts! I don't care about her hair or clothing choices. I do care about her demeanor toward the kids and Jon.

Frankly, no-one can treat a spouse that badly and expect a marriage to survive. She was absolutely verbally abusive to her husband and to her kids. Her treatment of Jon is just plain wrong. Jon might be fairly clueless on occasion, but there are much nicer ways of dealing with it.

I would absolutely consider it spousal abuse if he talked to her in those terms.

I've also seen that Jon has acted out recently in ways that totally boggle my mind . . . and make me doubt his judgement. Big time!

I support neither of these parents. I just wonder what legislation can protect those lovely children from their impaired and divorcing parents. I do not think that the parents really have the childrens' well-being in mind right now.

So sad for the kids.

 

[Nancy]

How is the chick interacting? That's her own kid on her lap. I assume when Kate and the kids are out front, it's because they are usually riding their bikes. What should she be doing besides siting and watching them? I've seen Kate do stuff with her kids, including having a picnic, she played with them in their houses, she threw a ball, and I assume she does something when they are out back, like swim and when they were little they had the picnic tables and they did stuff. But out front? Not much to do while they ride their bikes. Besides, what would sell more pictures? Kate sitting on her butt on the phone (with said comment under the picture) or playing with her kids? I'm betting sitting. What do the rest of you do, when your kids are out riding in the drive?I used to read a book..hardly even paid attention to them LOL.

I was the bad mom sitting on the front steps watching. I have to say I never really "played" with the kids all that much..there were 3 of them plus the neighbor kids they didn't need me. Once we got the pool I'd go swimming with them. Also, we'd do stuff in the house, but they mostly amused themselves.

from the old thread:



I hope she's not an informant, especially in the manner you're describing. I think that Mady has always seemed closer to Kate than Jon, based on what we've seen on the show. So it wouldn't be a shock to me to learn that Mady is the one calling Kate.

I didn't read the old thread, too lazy to go back and read all the pages I missed. Anyhow, I am hoping Kate isn't pumping her for information. I can totally see Mady being whiny and calling Kate though. We all know how whiny Mady can get if she doesn't like something.

in a not so shocking turn of events ...
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/08/exclusive-jon-gosselin-now-has-bad-marriage-tlc

Not all that shocking at all. I thought the Ed Hardy stuff was blurred because his deal fell through, but guess it was TLC pulling rank.

Hmmm, maybe we're all correct in thinking that Jon is purposely doing some of these things to get out of TLC's contract. They definitely sound unhappy with him but of course that's only because he's tarnishing an image they want him to have.

As much as Jon makes me insane lately, it's not quite fair that he not be allowed to do interviews because TLC doesn't like it. Then again, I wonder what the contract stipulates? Kate is obviously allowed to speak out. TLC aren't idiots, they know that the only way to salvage the show is if Kate is perceived as the woman scorned. Of course it may well be true that she is but regardless, it's in TLC's best interest to perpetuate that image of Kate which is I'm sure why she's allowed to do the interviews. Jon did do that In Touch article though, right? Geez, I can't imagine what else either of them would even have to say about their divorce anyway. I'm still kind of in shock that it will all be finalized by the end of Sept.

I can't imagine either.

I wouldn' be surprised if they slowly but surely weed him out of the show.

 

[whitneyNC]

Walden- Interesting perspective from someone taking it in "all at once" instead of watching this family over several years. You were sort of bombarded with it! I got to take them in small doses and gradually which I think makes me sometimes forget what they started out like. Seeing a really old episode now is startling.

 

[DMRick]

Frankly, no-one can treat a spouse that badly and expect a marriage to survive. She was absolutely verbally abusive to her husband and to her kids. Her treatment of Jon is just plain wrong. Jon might be fairly clueless on occasion, but there are much nicer ways of dealing with it.

I've never seen her be abusive to her children. I've seen both parents show things (such as the poo incident) that I would never have shown on TV..but never abusive to them. I think both K & J love them (although Jon has been more vocal IMO on not wanting to be home full time with them, and has made comments on the loudness of the kids) and show it.

I would absolutely consider it spousal abuse if he talked to her in those terms.

Spousal abuse? Nope. Do I think she was very disrespectful and sometimes nasty? Yes. However, I only saw what TLC let me see, I have no idea what if anything she (or he) put up with when the camera's were off. I also noticed on reruns of the older shows (and the newer ones) that he sure didn't take it laying down. His (being disrespectful) were just a lot more passive. I think at that time TLC wanted to show Kate in a bad light and we saw what would make it look like that. Now I think they want to show Jon in the bad light.

I just wonder what legislation can protect those lovely children from their impaired and divorcing parents. I do not think that the parents really have the childrens' well-being in mind right now.

I don't agree with this. I have no idea if this is going to have a bad affect on the kids. I do think that those that truly want the show to stop, and want legislation not allowing kids to be on these type of shows should put their money where their mouth is, and turn it off, stop reading about them on the net, stop buying the magazines and don't use products advertised on the show. If enough people turn it off, and there is no audience or interest, then the show will stop.

I think it's end is near, however, I think that because of the age of the kids. I'll watch it until it stops, or I have proof that they are being harmed because of the show.

 

[kidshop]

I don't think the article was dumb. I think it was done much more nicer than Jon's "interviews" chatting with "friends" at the fence. I don't know how you could know how she got to where she is - you're only seeing what the rest of us are seeing unless you're holding out on us and know something we don't know! (and if you are, you better share the details! )

IMO, giving up their own and their children's privacy for money is how she got here. At each junction where it could have stopped, she states over and over the show must go on, they have to move forward it's all for the kids etc. Over and over, they as parents have chosen fame and money. This article is another choice for being public rather than private. This article was not necessary, and all it is is a summary of Jon's faults (of which he has many). That's what she chose to do. Jon has not to my knowledge spoke badly of Kate, giving details of behavior. I didn't read his In touch article though. (please don't make me


I agree that she does have a lot of things - both material and not. I don't think Kate's "chosen" not to be happy. I'm sure she didn't choose to have Jon go out and act like he's acting. She may be happy with her choices but certainly not with how things are playing out for her kids....it's not going to be good (IMHO) when the kids grow up a bit and see all the things playing out - just not letting Kate in the gate would cause the kids to ask why he wouldn't let mommy in.....aside from the other crazy things.

How is it good for her kids for her to keep going on TV and giving interviews to talk about Jon?

There's a song by a band that I love.....I think it kind of describes how Kate's feeling but Jon should listen and take note. It's called Highway 20 Ride by the Zac Brown Band and here are the lyrics

That's a very pretty song!


I agree if the agreement was that she wasn't supposed to be there, she should not have been there. If she thought the kids were in any kind of trouble, she should have called the police first and had them go with her and also bring her attorney or whoever else needed to be present. I'm all for following the "rules" as challenging as that might be but can also understand the "momma bear" instict if you think something's happening to your kids.

I agree it's not smart on TLC's part to "take sides" at all in any of this or how they promoted the season premire. They've got almost as much into this family as J&K at this point.

TLC has to take sides and Kate is more marketable.

Maybe Kate will be on the Bachellorette some day???

I would watch if Kate was on!

 

[3prettyprincesses]

TLC is as much a part of this as Jon and Kate, IMO. Not this specific event of Kate showing up at the house .. but, in the overall problem with the show and maybe even the marriage.

That's a very interesting statement. Do you have some kind of hunch? Something like TLC overlooking J&K's marital issues because they wanted the show to continue? My interest is piqued!

 

[madge]

That's a very interesting statement. Do you have some kind of hunch? Something like TLC overlooking J&K's marital issues because they wanted the show to continue? My interest is piqued!

no. I don't have a hunch, not really .. the idea of TLC overlooking their issues has something to do with it. Mostly, I go back to the rumor (and a pretty persistent one, at that) that suggested that Jon and Kate would split, but would try counseling (as part of the show) and by the end of the summer, there would be a reconciliation and the trip to Korea that was alluded to last year. There's rumors on the blogs that say TLC has a hand in what the paparazzi are doing. It's all so muddied. The Jon-Kate-TLC triangle. I'm certain where they are right now is not at all where they intended to be.

I believe Kate when she says that they probably wouldn't have stayed married, regardless of the show. But, I can't help but wonder to what extent the show accelerated things.

 

[redrosesix]

I happen to think that because you dislike Kate so much, you are more forgiving of what you see Jon do, just like you think the oposite of me.

How could I dislike Kate? I don't even know her. I do HATE some of the things she has done, just the same as I HATE some of the things that Jon has done. However, Kate has done a lot more things that I would comment on (on the show, in interviews) whereas I tend not to comment on tabloid articles because they tend to be proven false fairly quickly (hey, wonder when Jon and Deanna are finally getting married? ) except to say that there is no proof of what those articles claim, or that a particular picture can't prove the story they're trying to sell.

I get the impression that Jon's not lying about this being the real him. I think that this is probably the Jon that Kate fell in love with, and then immediately set about changing. She took a young party boy who she was very much in love with, and turned him into a young father with a gaggle of children, complete with computer job. I think she genuinely thought they both wanted those things. Obviously he never really completely took to it, because he could never hold down the computer job(s).

I get the impression he tried to be that for her for a long time, and then when there was no love left in the marriage, he reverted to the young party boy again. Except, he's not as young any more, and now it just makes him look like a fool.

I think they've both acted like children, or spiteful adults. They both need to grow up and take the high road. The marriage is over, but I do think that they both love the children. They need to learn to work together for them. People change. She's changed, and now so has he. They don't have to like the changes the other has made, and clearly they don't, but they do have to put on their big boy/girl panties and deal with the situation they've created. Oh, and not dealing with it in front of cameras for the public would be a nice step!

Great post!

J&K have the power to make this as painless as possible for the kids. THAT should be their focus, not who can make the other one look worse or make crazy.

ITA! I just wish this were possible.

Hmmm, maybe we're all correct in thinking that Jon is purposely doing some of these things to get out of TLC's contract. They definitely sound unhappy with him but of course that's only because he's tarnishing an image they want him to have.

As much as Jon makes me insane lately, it's not quite fair that he not be allowed to do interviews because TLC doesn't like it. Then again, I wonder what the contract stipulates? Kate is obviously allowed to speak out. TLC aren't idiots, they know that the only way to salvage the show is if Kate is perceived as the woman scorned. Of course it may well be true that she is but regardless, it's in TLC's best interest to perpetuate that image of Kate which is I'm sure why she's allowed to do the interviews. Jon did do that In Touch article though, right? Geez, I can't imagine what else either of them would even have to say about their divorce anyway. I'm still kind of in shock that it will all be finalized by the end of Sept.

I think you're right here.

Jon should definitely have consulted us though on how best to get out of his contract. Since he didn't, he's made an even bigger mess of things and it's going to come back to haunt him in divorce court. But I'm willing to give him a second chance if he starts taking our advice and putting the best interests of the kids ahead of everything else.

Sooooo...how about a few words of advice for Jon? I'll start. Jon, no matter what happens, no more conversations with the paparazzi. And make all of the kids wear bike helmets whether they're on bikes or scooters while you're watching them.

 

[redrosesix]

no. I don't have a hunch, not really .. the idea of TLC overlooking their issues has something to do with it. Mostly, I go back to the rumor (and a pretty persistent one, at that) that suggested that Jon and Kate would split, but would try counseling (as part of the show) and by the end of the summer, there would be a reconciliation and the trip to Korea that was alluded to last year. There's rumors on the blogs that say TLC has a hand in what the paparazzi are doing. It's all so muddied. The Jon-Kate-TLC triangle. I'm certain where they are right now is not at all where they intended to be.

I believe Kate when she says that they probably wouldn't have stayed married, regardless of the show. But, I can't help but wonder to what extent the show accelerated things.

Wow! I really need some time to think about this. I'm feeling pretty certain that you're on to something here.

 

[newtodis]

no. I don't have a hunch, not really .. the idea of TLC overlooking their issues has something to do with it. Mostly, I go back to the rumor (and a pretty persistent one, at that) that suggested that Jon and Kate would split, but would try counseling (as part of the show) and by the end of the summer, there would be a reconciliation and the trip to Korea that was alluded to last year. There's rumors on the blogs that say TLC has a hand in what the paparazzi are doing. It's all so muddied. The Jon-Kate-TLC triangle. I'm certain where they are right now is not at all where they intended to be.

I believe Kate when she says that they probably wouldn't have stayed married, regardless of the show. But, I can't help but wonder to what extent the show accelerated things.

Now I don't read the other threads - it's enough to keep up with this one! - so I guess I didn't realize all of that. I'd read about a trip to Korea - what ever happened with that??? If the show was preparing for it (passports and such), it seems like they'd want to move forward with something like that unless something fell through on the "technical" side (like not being able to film in Korea or something) and it fell to the side. I would think that TLC - hopefully only to a point - is letting the paps know what's going on as far as when J or K will be in certain locations for the show. I believe though too that they had something to do with all the information we got just before the season premire...it was all too "well planned out" to just all happen at the same time. I agree that I don't think they ever thought they'd be where they are right now.

I agree (again). I don't think J&K were a match made in Heaven and probably wouldn't have been together forever. Maybe, if they didn't have the show they'd still be together simply because they could live "seperate" lives more easily - working over time, taking "work" trips, whatever, without the world watching everything they're doing all the time.

 

[whitneyNC]

Frankly, no-one can treat a spouse that badly and expect a marriage to survive. She was absolutely verbally abusive to her husband and to her kids. Her treatment of Jon is just plain wrong. Jon might be fairly clueless on occasion, but there are much nicer ways of dealing with it.
I would absolutely consider it spousal abuse if he talked to her in those terms.

I don't think the public would have ever tolerated a husband belittling a wife about her weight, lack of hair or her not having her twenty something physique. Or for her inability to breathe quietly, talk correctly, take care of her kids, perform routine household tasks to his standards, etc. There seems to be a double standard.