September 12, 2009 ~ Last Call for Tortola! Thread 2

[granmaz]

Hey Guys are we going to have an old geezer meet up at the Cove Cafe one night too??? I would also love for a group of us to get together and do that. Who's up for it?

Whe should do an old geezer and git group. I know Donna was originally going to head it up.

I think we met at 10pm, so time for those who still want to party to go after!!!

 

[CustardTart]

Yea, it's been a slow going new year but hopefully we have gotten it all out of our system and will return to health and happiness.

I LOVE Barbados. It's my favorite Carribbean Island. So sorry you had to cancel. At least you're able to start planning your April WDW trip. It won't be long now. What dates will you be there???

Yes, it's our fave too... Unfortunately this is the 3rd time we've had to cancel a trip due to DH's work thing so I'm going to have to put the charms of the island to the back of my mind for a while...

As for April, we actually fly out on March 31st, stay 10 nights at AKV (our first time) and then the final 4 nights at HRH before flying back on April 14th... I am s-l-o-w-l-y getting our plans sorted and so far the highlights include an Illuminations cruise, Fishing excursion, Orlando Magic, Busch Gardens, Victoria & Alberts, Aquatica with cabana, Mardi Gras at Universal - it's going to be the best trip...

 

[iankh]

I was fortunate to have a wonderful copy of Vogue's Book of Etiquette, copyright 1948, which I got when my grandmother passed away. It is extremely detailed and quite enlightening regarding how "things were done" at the time. I love browsing through it. It is 658 pages long. Some sections are: Manners, Ceremonies & Events, Weddings, Household Customs, Furnishing a House, Entertaining, Correspondence, and Clothes. I can only imagine what something from 1907 would say.

I love old etiquette books. I also love old travelogues, particularly ones written by British people who had visited the US, more because it tells you a lot about the British, since they are commenting about the US.

I find that in old travelogues, the authors end up revealing more about themselves and their own countries and cultures than that of the country they are writing about.

I have one entitled, "You're Welcome!". It was published in August, 1939. Britain declared war on September 3rd.

It is a wonderful travel account. The author is either upper class, or upper middle class.

Particularly of interest is how he criticizes Eleanor Roosevelt, for some perceived slight on his part at a dinner party, and how he goes on for a few pages, negatively criticizes an in a magazine, that took a less than favorable view of Lindbergh's pro-Nazi views.

It reveals much of the authors pro-Nazi views.

All this on the very verge of Britain, declaring war on Germany. It's a fascinating read into the mind of someone from that class, at that point in history.

 

[CustardTart]

...It reveals much of the authors pro-Nazi views.

All this on the very verge of Britain, declaring war on Germany. It's a fascinating read into the mind of someone from that class, at that point in history.

It is very interesting and here are a few potential reasons why a 'toff' might have had this viewpoint.

Hitler's popularity came partly from his destruction of the German Communist Party. Many people in Britain - not only aristos but middle-class folk too - were very much afraid of a communist revolution. Also, it seemed (until at least 1938) that Hitler had done a good job for Germany. Their experience of the Depression had been more severe than in Britain so when Hitler became Chancellor there were six million unemployed. Seemingly, he had put Germany back to work and restored national pride so the Nazis appeared to offer a successful model.

Of course there was also the lingering memory of the 1914-18 war. That had been terrible, wiping out entire generations of British men, so many were ready to accept Hitler's assurance that he had no desire for war, but wished merely to rectify the injustices of the Versailles Treaty...

And don't forget that the Duke of Windsor (aka Edward VIII) and his wife visited Germany after his abdication and expressed great admiration for what he saw there. His political sympathies were definitely pro-German (given his German background) and probably pro-Nazi. There are even claims he had an agreement with Hitler to be the puppet king of the United Kingdom if the Germans won the war...

And hereby endeth today's lecture...

 

[iankh]

It is very interesting and here are a few potential reasons why a 'toff' might have had this viewpoint.

Hitler's popularity came partly from his destruction of the German Communist Party. Many people in Britain - not only aristos but middle-class folk too - were very much afraid of a communist revolution. Also, it seemed (until at least 1938) that Hitler had done a good job for Germany. Their experience of the Depression had been more severe than in Britain so when Hitler became Chancellor there were six million unemployed. Seemingly, he had put Germany back to work and restored national pride so the Nazis appeared to offer a successful model.

Of course there was also the lingering memory of the 1914-18 war. That had been terrible, wiping out entire generations of British men, so many were ready to accept Hitler's assurance that he had no desire for war, but wished merely to rectify the injustices of the Versailles Treaty...

And don't forget that the Duke of Windsor (aka Edward VIII) and his wife visited Germany after his abdication and expressed great admiration for what he saw there. His political sympathies were definitely pro-German (given his German background) and probably pro-Nazi. There are even claims he had an agreement with Hitler to be the puppet king of the United Kingdom if the Germans won the war...

And hereby endeth today's lecture...

Exactly. That's what makes such things interesting reads. It is unvarnished. It is a view, frozen in time, looking forward, rather than via a rear view mirror.

We know what the future held, but at the time of the writer, it was unknown.

By the way, while we on the subject of "toffs," is the term, "Hooray Henry" still used.

I too am frozen in time.

 

[granmaz]

Exactly. That's what makes such things interesting reads. It is unvarnished. It is a view, frozen in time, looking forward, rather than via a rear view mirror.

We know what the future held, but at the time of the writer, it was unknown.

By the way, while we on the subject of "toffs," is the term, "Hooray Henry" still used.

I too am frozen in time.

Hooray Henry is used still Ian!!!

 

[EllaEnchanted]

Whe should do an old geezer and git group. I know Donna was originally going to head it up.

I think we met at 10pm, so time for those who still want to party to go after!!!

10pm sounds perfect.....right after the late seating dining. We'll have to pick a date to get together.

Donna, are you still willing to head it up???

 

[EllaEnchanted]

Yes, it's our fave too... Unfortunately this is the 3rd time we've had to cancel a trip due to DH's work thing so I'm going to have to put the charms of the island to the back of my mind for a while...

As for April, we actually fly out on March 31st, stay 10 nights at AKV (our first time) and then the final 4 nights at HRH before flying back on April 14th... I am s-l-o-w-l-y getting our plans sorted and so far the highlights include an Illuminations cruise, Fishing excursion, Orlando Magic, Busch Gardens, Victoria & Alberts, Aquatica with cabana, Mardi Gras at Universal - it's going to be the best trip...

You are going to have the most fantastic trip in Mar/Apr.....you have planned your vacaiton well. I love all your choices.

Do you have a link to Aquatica? I would love checking it out.

 

[JLSE50]

Can I just say..... Chocolate-Apricot-Pistachio Cake

Sounds like you think this is good.
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[JLSE50]

Oh Deb, you'll probably find all of the "R" family in there at night...well, depending on the 'adult' shows it might not be till a little later.

I missed the 'midnight dessert buffet' on the WBPC...don't even know what night it was...probably one of the ones I went straight to bed after dinner.

I wish they would post things like that and the Galley tour. We missed both on Panama Canal cruise too.

 

[JLSE50]

Oh I definitely will. I know that if I ignore them it only gets worse and I end up in the hospital like what happened when my mom died and I could not attend to them properly. They got worse and after her funeral, I went into the hospital. It was horrible! I don't want to go back there again. I'm doing my best. I just don't understand why they won't heal and why they get worse again after being better. It's coming up on two years this spring since this started. Sometimes I think they won't ever heal.

Does the MD have an answer to WHY?
Or WHAT needs to be done that is not being done now?

 

[JLSE50]

Whe should do an old geezer and git group. I know Donna was originally going to head it up.

I think we met at 10pm, so time for those who still want to party to go after!!!

Is Donna no longer interested ?

 

[pfishgirl]

Checking In!!
Just got back from WDW today and already I want to go back. It is way too cold here in NJ. Saturday the temperture is going to be 0 degrees.. Yes!! ZERO degrees

 

[DisneyRN1]

YES, me and John will be there.....just don't have it on Sunday Sept 13 because that's when the Champagne Girls are going to try to get together. Any other day is fine. But better if it's a sea day the next day. Getting up early for an excursion the day afterwould be rough.

Sept 13th would be a good day to have it. It is Greg and my 29th anniversary!! That sounds old, doesn't it? (I was only 3 when we got married-I was born in West Va, you know):rotfl2

Hey Guys are we going to have an old geezer meet up at the Cove Cafe one night too??? I would also love for a group of us to get together and do that. Who's up for it?

We would be interested in the OG/GIT meet.

John went to the midnight dessert buffet and took pictures. I have them if you would like to see what you missed....hahahaha

I would love to see pictures from the buffet. I didn't feel like doing a lot of things after I broke my wrist. Greg was going to goto the buffet, but didn't want to leave me. One of the nice Disney things was that one of the front desk CM went up to the buffet and brought me back some desserts. Ironically, she brought mostly things I didn't care for, but I ate then ayway because I was so touched that she would even do that for a guest WAY!! above the expected.

Oh I definitely will. I know that if I ignore them it only gets worse and I end up in the hospital like what happened when my mom died and I could not attend to them properly. They got worse and after her funeral, I went into the hospital. It was horrible! I don't want to go back there again. I'm doing my best. I just don't understand why they won't heal and why they get worse again after being better. It's coming up on two years this spring since this started. Sometimes I think they won't ever heal.

Deb, I don't know what exactly is wrong with your legs, but has anyone ever explored the possibility of using a hyperbaric chamber to heal your legs? It can sometimes work when other things don't. It would depend on what your doctor says.

I wish they would post things like that and the Galley tour. We missed both on Panama Canal cruise too.

I agree on them posting things like that. Maybe they could post the dates/time on the cruise line website where we make our ressies, so we could plan for them,too. We did the Galley tour, and enjoyed it. It's amazing the size of the kitchens, and how many meals they prepare.

Vicki

 

[granmaz]

Is Donna no longer interested ?

I don't think she has been here since it was mentioned again, but I bet she will be up for it.

 

[ibouncetoo]

Greetings Tortolians! Spent a bit of yesterday working on dining options for the pre-cruise stay. Our current 'leanings' are: Citricos, Boma, Spoodles, Kona Cafe, Crystal Palace and split decisions on Marakesh/Coral Reef and LeCellier/Mexico restaurant. We may split up for these last two...I know folks are going to need a break from ME! Interest has been expressed for OOP breakfast at Spoodles/Cape May too. We also have the Tea at the GF as an OOP visit. Hmmmmmm....wouldn't tea be a fun event for meeting up with other Tortolians????

Thankfully Ian and Sukie will be there in May for updates on menues etc. Wasn't it nice of them to make a special trip down there just for that?

 

[ragdoll]

I don't think she has been here since it was mentioned again, but I bet she will be up for it.

I'm back and will be glad to set up an OG GIT meet. Was busy watching a Monk marathon this weekend.

Cove Cafe is a good place for our meet. Last time we met at 10:00 pm. However that interfered with the adult entertainment. I was thinking 11:00 might be better (or right after the adult show) if that is not too late for most OG's. I'm a night owl, though, so you can't go by me. Or would an afternoon be better? It could be at two o'clock. Most OG's seem to need an afternoon rest break. We could call it the OG Booze and Snooze meet. Ideas and suggestions are welcome! Give me some feedback, please.

Donna

 

[crushonjessica]

Hello All and let me introduce myself. I am Scott and My DW and DD will be joining you on this cruise. Right now we are not booked because we are waiting on certain discounts to become available. In the meantime My MIL and FIL are booked. We are using our Vacation Club Points to pay for their trip as a thank you for all the help they have given us in Baby Sitting.

We also have a couple of other family members who may join us so we may be a mini group untu ourselves. I can't wait to introduce my crewe to this board and everything that goes on during a DIS Cruise. When we get more confirmed information I will fill you in.

 

[granmaz]

Hello All and let me introduce myself. I am Scott and My DW and DD will be joining you on this cruise. Right now we are not booked because we are waiting on certain discounts to become available. In the meantime My MIL and FIL are booked. We are using our Vacation Club Points to pay for their trip as a thank you for all the help they have given us in Baby Sitting.

We also have a couple of other family members who may join us so we may be a mini group untu ourselves. I can't wait to introduce my crewe to this board and everything that goes on during a DIS Cruise. When we get more confirmed information I will fill you in.

Welcome, well I look forward to welcoming you!! What a lovely thank you to your in laws.

 

[granmaz]

I'm back and will be glad to set up an OG GIT meet. Was busy watching a Monk marathon this weekend.

Cove Cafe is a good place for our meet. Last time we met at 10:00 pm. However that interfered with the adult entertainment. I was thinking 11:00 might be better (or right after the adult show) if that is not too late for most OG's. I'm a night owl, though, so you can't go by me. Or would an afternoon be better? It could be at two o'clock. Most OG's seem to need an afternoon rest break. We could call it the OG Booze and Snooze meet. Ideas and suggestions are welcome! Give me some feedback, please.

Donna

Not sure what I would suggest. See what the majority fancy.