Your Predictions re Changes to DVC now that Iger is back as CEO

[MICKIMINI]

At WDW right now and the construction and traffic is overwhelming. I was here pre-Disney, even before Downtown Disney and The Empress Lily. DH and I went to Ocala twice last week looking at houses and the traffic is bumper to bumper even there. If we owned a house we would hunker down which isn't much different than living in NH in the winter.

We haven't been to CA in decades as it is just too weird for us and FL honestly, isn't much better. It really gives us pause to even consider a move here now. Our other *happy place* was Sanibel Island, sooo perhaps we just stay in NH where we have space and natural beauty still.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

At WDW right now and the construction and traffic is overwhelming. I was here pre-Disney, even before Downtown Disney and The Empress Lily. DH and I went to Ocala twice last week looking at houses and the traffic is bumper to bumper even there. If we owned a house we would hunker down which isn't much different than living in NH in the winter.

We haven't been to CA in decades as it is just too weird for us and FL honestly, isn't much better. It really gives us pause to even consider a move here now. Our other *happy place* was Sanibel Island, sooo perhaps we just stay in NH where we have space and natural beauty still.

That’s a good idea. Trust your instincts.

 

[Rochester Disney Fan]

I honestly don't think much will change with DVC. Now DVC members might be impacted because APs go back on sale but its not anything specific to DVC.

What is even the craziest idea of how we will be impacted? Most every change that has impacted me negatively or positively around DVC actually derives from Parks.

Without the parks DVC is just another timeshare. If DVC members feel like they are cared about by offering perks that matter to a large subset of members like annual pass discounts, it keeps members happy and helps with the cycle of new members joining which keeps the gate numbers turning.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

Without the parks DVC is just another timeshare. If DVC members feel like they are cared about by offering perks that matter to a large subset of members like annual pass discounts, it keeps members happy and helps with the cycle of new members joining which keeps the gate numbers turning.

Once again, you do know that the Sorcerer pass that is available to DVC blue card member doesn't have any discount at all. It has Thanksgiving and Christmas blocked out. DVC members pay exactly the same as Florida resident members. It is a question of eligibility for the Sorcerer pass; not a DVC "discount."

 

[jekjones1558]

Once again, you do know that the Sorcerer pass that is available to DVC blue card member doesn't have any discount at all. It has Thanksgiving and Christmas blocked out. DVC members pay exactly the same as Florida resident members. It is a question of eligibility for the Sorcerer pass; not a DVC "discount."

The Sorcerer Pass is only available as a renewal for blue card members, not for initial purchase, right?

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

The Sorcerer Pass is only available as a renewal for blue care members, not for initial purchase, right?

Right now that is true. A blue card DVC member can renew into either a Sorcerer or an Incredi-pass. But, to renew into a Sorcerer, they have to call Member Services so their eligibility can be verified and then Member Services transfers the call to the Passholder line for purchase. Incredi-pass renewals can be done in the MDE app.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

The Sorcerer Pass is only available as a renewal for blue care members, not for initial purchase, right?

People keep talking about the DVC discount AP and there is no such thing.

 

[jekjones1558]

People keep talking about the DVC discount AP and there is no such thing.

I think there are many of us who are hoping that the DVC Gold discount AP will come back some day.

 

[Rochester Disney Fan]

Once again, you do know that the Sorcerer pass that is available to DVC blue card member doesn't have any discount at all. It has Thanksgiving and Christmas blocked out. DVC members pay exactly the same as Florida resident members. It is a question of eligibility for the Sorcerer pass; not a DVC "discount."

Yes,that's what I'm hoping will change not to mention I Can't even get a new annual pass.

 

[Sandisw]

Once again, you do know that the Sorcerer pass that is available to DVC blue card member doesn't have any discount at all. It has Thanksgiving and Christmas blocked out. DVC members pay exactly the same as Florida resident members. It is a question of eligibility for the Sorcerer pass; not a DVC "discount."

Technically, this is true, but DVC owners who are eligible have the ability to get a less expensive pass, which in the end is a discount against what other options they offer If one doesn’t care about the black out dates

So, regardless of the fact it’s a special pass vs a true discounted one, the end result is the same..an AP that costs less than the Incredi Pass.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

Technically, this is true, but DVC owners who are eligible have the ability to get a less expensive pass, which in the end is a discount against what other options they offer If one doesn’t care about the black out dates

So, regardless of the fact it’s a special pass vs a true discounted one, the end result is the same..an AP that costs less than the Incredi Pass.

The Sorcerer is not a discounted Incredi-pass. The Pirate is not a discounted Sorcerer. The Pixie is not a discounted Pirate. They are four different tiers of annual passes. The difference among them are the block-out dates. Eligibility changes of course. Florida residents only for Pixie and Pirate. Florida residents and DVC blue card for Sorcerer — paying the same price. Incredi-pass for anyone. So, no group gets a discount based on group identity status for the same tier of pass.

 

[Sandisw]

The Sorcerer is not a discounted Incredi-pass. The Pirate is not a discounted Sorcerer. The Pixie is not a discounted Pirate. They are four different tiers of annual passes. The difference among them are the block-out dates. Eligibility changes of course. Florida residents only for Pixie and Pirate. Florida residents and DVC blue card for Sorcerer — paying the same price. Incredi-pass for anyone. So, no group gets a discount based on group identity status for the same tier of pass.

Again, I said technically you are correct but when people here talk about it they are taking about getting a pass that is a discount for them against other options they can buy.

Yes, Sorcerer is not a a discounted pass but it is less expensive and for those of us buying it we are getting what amounts to an “discount” against the only other option which is the Incredi pass

Since it costs me $430 less for an AP, in exchange for one with block out dates i do consider the savings a discount.

I think the point is that people simple use the word discount to mean savings or less expensive when it comes to the Sorcerer pass option and most understand that is what is meant.

 

[WAstateDVCDaddy]

I think all of the comments about making APs available (and at a discount), and restoring FP’s are a bit nostalgic at this point. While AP’s and FP’s were great a few (many?) years ago, the number one challenge at the parks is their success. Too many people wanting to go means everyone is less happy when they get there.

APs are great for getting additional revenue out of repeat customers, but only when your non-repeat customers aren’t enough to fill the parks. That ship has long ago sailed. So now it’s the question of - do you want a capacity crowd which includes a higher number of lower revenue AP holders, or do you want the park filled with the high revenue occasional visitors?

And FP’s are also a victim of the high occupancy at the park. Although Genie+ has lots of drawbacks, it’s really aimed at the needs of the occasional / new visitor. FP was great for experienced visitors, but again, I don’t think that’s who Disney’s looking to keep satisfied at this point.

Definitely will be interesting to see what happens. I wouldn’t be surprised to see better access to APs for DVC members, with continued limits on general availability. But I’m pretty sure that any changes in G+ will continue to be geared to the occasional guest, and limited use, allowing the most people possible to ensure they can ride a few important rides, so they feel like the visit was worth it, and not any pivot to the older FP system(which creates problems when the parks are crowded).

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

Again, I said technically you are correct but when people here talk about it they are taking about getting a pass that is a discount for them against other options they can buy.

Yes, Sorcerer is not a a discounted pass but it is less expensive and for those of us buying it we are getting what amounts to an “discount” against the only other option which is the Incredi pass

Since it costs me $430 less for an AP, in exchange for one with block out dates i do consider the savings a discount.

I think the point is that people simple use the word discount to mean savings or less expensive when it comes to the Sorcerer pass option and most understand that is what is meant.

I understand your use of the word discount as a verbal shorthand meaning a less expensive option. Apparently, on these forums that is pretty common. So be it. I do not intend to be the grammar police.

 

[sethschroeder]

Without the parks DVC is just another timeshare. If DVC members feel like they are cared about by offering perks that matter to a large subset of members like annual pass discounts, it keeps members happy and helps with the cycle of new members joining which keeps the gate numbers turning.

Yes but the AP discount is the Flordia rate and available the same as APs they are just on hold for new AP sales.

That's sort of my point the AP offering (best DVC offering imo) isn't even up to DVC its up to the parks. TIW? Up to the parks. Night special events? Up to the parks (and I think it's over rated as it's so limited).

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

Yes but the AP discount is the Flordia rate and available the same as APs they are just on hold for new AP sales. ...

"The Florida rate" is the regular price for the Sorcerer pass. It is the regular price. There is no discount from a regular price. No one else is eligible for the Sorcerer (which blocks out both Christmas and Thanksgiving) other than blue card DVC and Florida residents. The Incredi-Pass is more expensive, but there are no block-out dates. So, it is like saying you are getting a discount because you bought a Ford F150 instead of the more expensive Ford F350. Two different vehicles -- but you did not spend as much money.

Another phrase that people use is they "saved" money when something is "on sale" for a price lower than an MSRP or "regular" price. It is like a merchant sees your money as their money. They were entitled to the whole price and instead let you keep some -- of what was your own money (not their money) in the first place. They never had any authority or legal interest over my money. I didn't "save" by paying less. I avoided spending more of my own money. The merchant's attitude is, you would have made this transaction at the whole, regular price so it was really the merchant's money and the merchant refunded some back to me as savings. Wrong attitude. Maybe I never had the whole price and the sale price was my price point for buying it. I can't "save" what I never had. If regular price was higher than I would have paid, there would have been no purchase at all. So, then I "saved" all of my money? It wasn't theirs to begin with. To me, "saving" is when I take my own earned money and bank it and continue doing that to let it grow. I don't spend my "saved" money with any merchant. It accumulates to my benefit alone.

But, I am not the grammar police and you all can use "discount", "sale" and "save" the way you want.

 

[heynowirv]

If only I was born in January, February, May or July!! I guess I'll have to use my D+ for the discount

I'm in. January baby here

 

[CarolMN]

@Ms Bibbidi, I agree with you. Having access to the less expensive Socerer's pass is a valued perk for DVC Members who do not travel during the blocked periods. We want it back!

I also cringe a bit when posters talk about "discounted" AP's as there is no such thing. But if you don't need the blackout dates, it certainly feels like one.

Many were quite disappointed when the blackout days switched from Easter to Thanksgiving. I know that made the Socerer's pass a lot less attractive for them and effectively bumped them to the IncrediPass or MYW hoppers.

 

[DVCsloth]

Luckily, we kept our passes throughout the shutdown and currently have Florida Resident Pirate passes. I'm almost wondering if it may just be better in our situation to purchase multi day tickets and the after-hours paid events. We have already started using our points for larger accommodations instead of additional days. So, we are not going to the parks as many days, just using the points for 1BR instead of studios.

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

As resale buyer, I do hope we have access to an AP. We may not be DVC's ideal purchasers, but we DO largely spend our vaycay $ at Disney & should receive some perks. (DVC could have restricted resales but has chosen to allow them...We shouldn't be penalized for their decisions.)

Currently weighing purchasing 2023 tix now vs waiting for potential AP availability. Thoughts?

(A bit OT but important to all guests: I hope Iger hits the gas on all construction. Too much. Everywhere. Slow. Stalled. WDW should not be a constant construction site.)

Finally, thank you to eveyone, especially DVC owners, who posted, wrote letters, voted against TWDC Board, tweeted & signed petitions to remove Chapek... Now, it's a great big beautiful tomorrow & I'm looking forward to it.