WWYWorkplace do?.... regarding Christmas day.

[Papa Deuce]

With tomorrow being Christmas, not all the folks who want Christmas off will get it. Several Jewish folks have offered to work double shifts tomorrow for some of the Christian folks. Awesome! The Christians would then work a double shift for the Jewish folks at a later date.

So they approached management with this idea and the management said "no"... and the reason they gave was that it would mean "Falsifying timesheets".

What would your workplace do?

BTW, don't ask me why the company didn't schedule more Jewish folks to work to begin with, because I have no idea.

 

[mickeymedic]

My current and past employers allowed employees to swap shifts as long as doing so did not create overtime. We also typically scale back on crews on holidays. For whatever reason people don't call 911 as much on holidays.

I guess the bonus is that we typically get extra pay for working the holiday. So, even if you can't get the entire shift off, you can usually find someone willing to cover at least half of the shift.

 

[EthansMom]

DH's company give employees paid time off from Christmas Eve through New Years. They get fewer onesie-twosie days off during the year, however, so some employees with children have to take vacation or flex time to stay home with their kids on Martin Luther King Jr. Day and the like.

DH and some of his coworkers are swamped right now at work. Several of them will be going in during the Christmas break to get work done. The company will pay them for the 8 hours of holiday pay plus straight time for any hours worked on those days. I love this company!!!!

 

[shortbun]

So you're saying the people you work for are not very smart? They should call human resources and figure it out. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Luckily, my workplace is locked up tight from the 19th to the 5th!!! We don't get paid and we don't much care right now.

 

[Stacerita]

Time off for the big holidays are scheduled long in advance. We determine who had it off last year, who requested the time off first, and who has the PTO available. It seems to be the most fair and easy way to give people the time off them need.

Management at your place should really consider what you guys have worked out. Seems like a win win for almost everyone. But I do see how falsifying time sheets would be a problem. Could you do it without breaking rules?

 

[Mom2Nick]

So you're saying the people you work for are not very smart? They should call human resources and figure it out. Dumb, dumb, dumb. Luckily, my workplace is locked up tight from the 19th to the 5th!!! We don't get paid and we don't much care right now.

They are dumb because they do not want to pay overtime when they can get coverage with regular hours? They are dumb because they do not want to falsify timecards so people can work overtime but only get paid for regular hours? Sounds pretty smart to me.

 

[Papa Deuce]

They are dumb because they do not want to pay overtime when they can get coverage with regular hours? They are dumb because they do not want to falsify timecards so people can work overtime but only get paid for regular hours? Sounds pretty smart to me.

No, they won't have to pay OT... The employees will only put in for the 8 hours they were scheduled to work.... well, that was the plan, anyway. BTW, our previous management would have been THRILLED to have employees do this for each other... Not the people who run the place now.

I actually have the day off, so it doesn't affect me.

 

[Claire L]

So you're saying the people you work for are not very smart? They should call human resources and figure it out. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Lol our HR department are usually the ones to mess it up, leave it to the staff to work it out and we would be fine!!!!



Claire

 

[SharpMomOfTwo]

DH works in a pharmaceutical packaging plant - they are only 365 and will possibly soon be only 24/7 so needless to say, people will be working tomorrow. I know they have a skelleton crew, but yeah, some people have to miss christmas - really sucks for them. I know its mostly either the Jewish half of the office, and people that are not married or have kids. Everyone there has to work ONE holiday - my DH picks new years day every year to get it over with... and because theres no way in this world that we are staying up that late!!!!

Merry Christmas!

 

[luvmy3]

Dh's company gives everyone Christmas Day and the day after off. Some sites are shut down for the week between Christmas and New Years but not dh's, although most people take vacation time that week.

As for the company in the OP, I can totally understand them not allowing it. Most of the employees at dh's are salary, but his company would never falsify time cards for those who are not.

 

[Mom2Nick]

No, they won't have to pay OT... The employees will only put in for the 8 hours they were scheduled to work.... well, that was the plan, anyway. BTW, our previous management would have been THRILLED to have employees do this for each other... Not the people who run the place now.

I actually have the day off, so it doesn't affect me.

In this sue happy world they are protecting themselves by following the "rules". A company could get into a lot of trouble for allowing a scheme like this to go through and allowing people to work without any compensation.

 

[Papa Deuce]

In this sue happy world they are protecting themselves by following the "rules". A company could get into a lot of trouble for allowing a scheme like this to go through and allowing people to work without any compensation.

That may be.... but under old management, it worked fine for 30 years.....

 

[pepperw23]

No, they won't have to pay OT... The employees will only put in for the 8 hours they were scheduled to work.... well, that was the plan, anyway. BTW, our previous management would have been THRILLED to have employees do this for each other... Not the people who run the place now.

I actually have the day off, so it doesn't affect me.

I would have recommended to do the full trade in one pay period (would work best during a one week pay period) For example, if "John" works for you on Christmas day, then you would work for "John" another day (Before or after Christmas) within the same pay period. Everyone then simply puts the hours they really worked. For example "John" instead of putting 8 hours would put 16 hours for Christmas; however overtime would be prevented because he would be putting 0 hours within the same pay period. It gets more confusing with a two week pay period because I believe overtime for hourly employees goes on a week to week basis (hourly employees go to overtime after 40 hours).

Maybe something to think about next year. We are an office so it is really a non issue, but I do know how the whole overtime thing works because I still have a couple of hourly folks.

 

[Pinkgurlshubby]

I hate to admit this but I went into work today. I called my manager around noon and he asked me what I was doing at work. What? You don't know I'm here? I bailed shortly after LOL
Happy holidays

 

[Lib E]

That may be.... but under old management, it worked fine for 30 years.....

Which may be why they are the old management. If they weren't following employment laws, what else weren't they doing the right way?

 

[Papa Deuce]

Which may be why they are the old management. If they weren't following employment laws, what else weren't they doing the right way?

That ALSO may be, but we were also far more profitable then, and we had a much better place to work.

 

[pepperw23]

Which may be why they are the old management. If they weren't following employment laws, what else weren't they doing the right way?

I dunno, 30 years in business they must have been doing something right. Sometimes (okay always) it is just as important to make the employees happy as it is the customers/clients. For example, at my work Management is not very traditional we work for the employee not the other way around. And yep, we are a very large company.

 

[Stacerita]

Im not sure what the laws are where you work, but here there are stict ones as to what we can do as managers and such. Hours, wages and time off are all monitored closely. Heck, the state even tells us when we have to make our employees take lunch. Even if they don't want to. Penalties are costly, so we do what we are supposed to.

 

[bumbershoot]

No, they won't have to pay OT... The employees will only put in for the 8 hours they were scheduled to work.... well, that was the plan, anyway.

All it would have taken was one complaint and there would have been trouble.

That may be.... but under old management, it worked fine for 30 years.....

If only they had set up some systems where this could be figured out ahead of time! Maybe this is a good place to start with some new suggestions. Some way of allowing swaps that did NOT get people into overtime or lying on their timecards.

 

[Disney Doll]

The only rule we have is that you can't pre-schedule overtime.

So, if I was supposed to work 3-11pm on Christmas Eve and called out sick, if someone was working 7am-3pm and wanted to stay, they'd let them. But I couldn't say to my Jewish colleague "would you do a double on Christmas Day so I could have it off".