wvrevy, this is what happens when you rely on the liberal media

As none of we liberals were watching the Bush campaign
stop, I'll take the word of my good friends on the DIS re
what actually happened. I find newspapers AND TV news
to be VERY unstable in all areas. I was watching Wolf Blitzer
yesterday when the Clinton thing broke and it was a three
ring circus as he tried to get the story but it kept changing.
I was really chuckling. Hope Clinton gets through this surgery
well. Thanks for the clarification. Stupid media all around.
 
BET, good luck with Josh Marshall! I read his stuff when it's quoted in "Best of the Web" from Opinionjournal.com. If you don't subscribe, drop what you're doing and subscribe NOW! It's one of my few pockets of sanity these days, what with living in a rural town with 3 active kids and a husband who works all hours!

Anyway, I'm not surprised--the AP writer probably made an assumption based on what s/he would expect, and went with it. I can understand the confusion on CNN and so forth, as the information was changing rapidly, but to make up the crowd reaction, to me, there's no excuse--even if you don't know, don't make it up!
 
Originally posted by BuzznBelle'smom
Anyway, I'm not surprised--the AP writer probably made an assumption based on what s/he would expect, and went with it. I can understand the confusion on CNN and so forth, as the information was changing rapidly, but to make up the crowd reaction, to me, there's no excuse--even if you don't know, don't make it up!

In think that's being very generous. In think it was absolutely deliberate.
 
I just found this. . .

The AP Changes "Boos" to "Ooohs" in Report on Bush and Clinton

Sounds like they're trying to make it seem like a typo, which would be lame enough. . but the "Bush did nothing to stop it" line shows it was no typo.


While it's possible a reporter made up the false info just to slander Bush; since they retracted it within a couple hours it's more likely that some reporter got a "tip" and ran it without checking. . during Hurricane Charlie a couple weeks ago all the news outlets, Fox, CNN, NY Post.com, etc. were reporting "massive loss of life" and "bodies piled up like cordwood" in Punta Gorda, but of course since only 15 people died in the original storm they were totally wrong. . . so that the media these days is lazy and irresponsible is pretty evident. .


As far as "liberal bias" and the AP. . . I did a Google search on "AP " and "retracts story" and the only other similar story I could find was this:

AP Retracts Condom Story. .. 06 July, 1998



In it the AP had to retract an erroneous story that Surgeon General David Satcher had called for condom commercials on TV. . Satcher was of course S.G. under Bill Clinton. .



And that was it- so either it's a case of another media outlet rushing a story out irresponsibly and poor journalism. . or else the AP's "liberal crusade" against the GOP hasn't been very successful . . LOL! ;)


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Thanks for pointing that out to us Bet. BTW, I was watching when George Bush said that and did not hear any booing on my TV. I have been listening to my DH for years telling me that but lately I have been watching and realizing that it is in fact the truth..

Morning news for example.. I sometimes switch around to see what the other channels are covering.....it is interesting to see where they edit and what they show.

I am adding your link to my favorites and will be checking it when I am on the computer.
 
:wave: Hi Marsha!



Originally posted by WillyJ
I just found this. . .

The AP Changes "Boos" to "Ooohs" in Report on Bush and Clinton

Sounds like they're trying to make it seem like a typo, which would be lame enough. . but the "Bush did nothing to stop it" line shows it was no typo.


While it's possible a reporter made up the false info just to slander Bush; since they retracted it within a couple hours it's more likely that some reporter got a "tip" and ran it without checking. . during Hurricane Charlie a couple weeks ago all the news outlets, Fox, CNN, NY Post.com, etc. were reporting "massive loss of life" and "bodies piled up like cordwood" in Punta Gorda, but of course since only 15 people died in the original storm they were totally wrong. . . so that the media these days is lazy and irresponsible is pretty evident. .


As far as "liberal bias" and the AP. . . I did a Google search on "AP " and "retracts story" and the only other similar story I could find was this:

AP Retracts Condom Story. .. 06 July, 1998



In it the AP had to retract an erroneous story that Surgeon General David Satcher had called for condom commercials on TV. . Satcher was of course S.G. under Bill Clinton. .



And that was it- so either it's a case of another media outlet rushing a story out irresponsibly and poor journalism. . or else the AP's "liberal crusade" against the GOP hasn't been very successful . . LOL! ;)


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Willy, you do realize that the AP hasn't officially "retracted" the Clinton phoney booing story at all?

They very rarely do.
 
Well, acording to that article. . .

Several Web sites revealed that AP "retracted" the report "citing uncertainties about how to characterize the crowd's reaction."

The new version moved on the wire Friday described the same incident this way, after relating Bush's remarks: "The crowd reacted with applause and with some 'ooohs,' apparently surprised by the news that Clinton was ill. . ."



Of course, they could be making that up or have it wrong as well. . . LOL!! ;) :)


As far as searching for the articles i also tried "AP" and "changed" and got the same results. . the articles were sorted by date and I went back a few pages . . most results were of the "AP reports murderer retracts confession" type articles. .

Of course I may have missed one or more. . if anyone wants to try searching and can find some more I'd love to see them. . I think the media is a disgrace and the more tangible proof of it that is exposed the better. . :)
 
Sign of desperation, IMHO. How sad. :(

My DH is always telling me how liberal the media is but I always give them the benefit of the doubt. Now I see with my own eyes.
 
Originally posted by WillyJ
Well, acording to that article. . .

Several Web sites revealed that AP "retracted" the report "citing uncertainties about how to characterize the crowd's reaction."

The new version moved on the wire Friday described the same incident this way, after relating Bush's remarks: "The crowd reacted with applause and with some 'ooohs,' apparently surprised by the news that Clinton was ill. . ."



Of course, they could be making that up or have it wrong as well. . . LOL!! ;) :)


As far as searching for the articles i also tried "AP" and "changed" and got the same results. . the articles were sorted by date and I went back a few pages . . most results were of the "AP reports murderer retracts confession" type articles. .

Of course I may have missed one or more. . if anyone wants to try searching and can find some more I'd love to see them. . I think the media is a disgrace and the more tangible proof of it that is exposed the better. . :)

The word "retracted" is in quotes in the story for a reason. It's because the AP has never published an actual "retraction". That story merely means that newspapers who have used the AP as their source have done so.

Willy, as I stated earlier, they (the AP)_rarely retract the errors in their reporting.

And much of my complaint of them is of the "spin' variety, like misleading headlines, or things taken out of context. I'll be glad to point them out to you in the future, as I have no doubt there will be others.
 
There is no conspiracy here. The people at AP did not get together and say "let's make Bush supporters look bad." It was one writer, who heard boos when there were oohs and wrote the story - there really is very little fact checking in the media - that is the core problem here.

And since every news outlet uses the AP wire as a source for news, of course this story was carried on other places.

Thanks for pointing out the error - and I think AP should admit that it made a mistake here and not just change the story after the fact with no explanation. The fact that the media gets away with printing erroneous information all the time reallly burns me up!
 
Originally posted by bsnyder
The word "retracted" is in quotes in the story for a reason. It's because the AP has never published an actual "retraction". That story merely means that newspapers who have used the AP as their source have done so.

Willy, as I stated earlier, they (the AP)_rarely retract the errors in their reporting.

And much of my complaint of them is of the "spin' variety, like misleading headlines, or things taken out of context. I'll be glad to point them out to you in the future, as I have no doubt there will be others.

I'm still waiting for Sludge to retract, or explain, his story about Howard Dean's brother receiving full military honors when his body came back to the United States. At least one Sludge fan had their panties in enough of a wad to start a whole debate over it.

Of course, Sludge never explained what full military honors really is, and as far as I know, neither did the panty-wadded Sludge fan.

So, Bet, this is the world we live in. Perception is reality and reality is what we want to see. It's sad and dangerous because we're not getting the truth from any source even if they do claim they're "fair and balanced". We haven't had cable since Charley hit, and we're watching the regular network news. Frankly, it isn't the bias that bothers me, but the insipid fluffiness of what passes for news today. I can't tell you how many times my husband and I turn to each other say "would Walter Cronkite or Huntley/Brinkley cover this story?

Sometimes, I really feel like a dinosaur. I'm trying to avoid becoming an old coot who looks at the past as a better place, but in some respects, it was a better place.
 
well, the good ol' days had their share of sensationalism (William Randolph Hearst and Hedda Hopper come to mind...) But this was just a mistake..

In the thread about LAX being closed, I posted an AP news story that mentioned terminals 6,7, and 8 were closed. There IS NO terminal 8 - they must have meant 5,6, and 7.

Mistakes happen - especially when they are rushing to get the story in. As a former journalist, I am still haunted by stories that I wasn't able to double-check with other sources before they were printed - nobody knows if they were erroneous or not. It's just my own personal conscience feeling bad over not doing the best I could.

And, just so you know, I am ashamed and embarrased by today's media - I learned the hard way that speed outweighs accuracy, and advertising outweighs objectivity.

Just my two cents....
 
I just finished listening to a news report about the closure of LAX and airport officials repeatedly mentioned Terminal 8 so I went to the LAX website and they actually do have a Terminal 8 .
 
Interesting! I've never seen it. I always see United at Terminal 7 before airport return or driving out....I stand corrected. Sorry.

(Do you think the Drudge Report will find out about this?) ;)
 
Well they certainly won't find out from me. I don't think Matt Drudge would trust anything he heard from a liberal Democrat from Massachusetts ;)
 
Originally posted by diznygirl
There is no conspiracy here. The people at AP did not get together and say "let's make Bush supporters look bad." It was one writer, who heard boos when there were oohs and wrote the story - there really is very little fact checking in the media - that is the core problem here.

And since every news outlet uses the AP wire as a source for news, of course this story was carried on other places.

Thanks for pointing out the error - and I think AP should admit that it made a mistake here and not just change the story after the fact with no explanation. The fact that the media gets away with printing erroneous information all the time reallly burns me up!

The people who reprinted the story are the ones who made a mistake for accepting the story unchecked before printing it. Which they probably do more often we'd really care to know.

The person who wrote it flat out lied. It was not a mistake.
 
Originally posted by diznygirl
well, the good ol' days had their share of sensationalism (William Randolph Hearst and Hedda Hopper come to mind...) But this was just a mistake..


Yeah they did. This was not sensationalism. If the reporter really heard oooos as stated in the correction, why was "Bush did nothing to stop them." added to the story?

Mistake? Nope.

Motivaiton? Who knows.

IMO, the reporter flat out lied. Who knows how many people read the original story but not the "correction" and now think that some Bush supporters are insensative jerks.
 
Some of you are probably wondering why revy hasn't been his self and posted a hundred times by now with left wing, diatribish spin.

In his defense I can't believe I am saying that.....
he is probably stone cold drunk, burning some couches at the WVU/East Carolina game...... 49-9 in the 3rd....


LETSSSS GGGOOOOOOO MOUNTAINEEEERRRRRSSSSSS!!!!!


To comfort everyone...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Well Bet, I couldn't give you a absolute number. . but I'd guess the AP "retracts" and then corrects lots of stories.

Retraction: a disavowal or taking back of a previous assertion. . .


The type of "retraction" refereed to the article is the type defined above- they released an erroneous story, and then they "took it back" and sent a correction. .

Now when you say "Official Retraction", I assume you're talking about a Retraction relating to libel. That kind of Retraction is generally a broadcast or published statement done to correct a previously published or broadcasted item that could be considered libelous. . and it's usually done to try and mitigate damages if they're sued.


Obviously that's not going to apply in this situation. . first of all, in order to prove libel of a public figure it would have to be proven that it was done purposefully with malice to cause actual damages to the persons reputation; and the actual damages to the person would also have to be proven.


I doubt whoever did this is going to confess; and even then it would have to be proven that the AP knew it was inaccurate and disseminated it purposefully to damage Bush's reputation.

The error/mischaracteration casts a bad light on the anonymous audience more then him anyway. and since the AP almost immediately "retracted" it, proving any real, malicious damage to his reputation would be next to impossible.

And that's another reason why you won't see written Retractions very often. . . they usually are an admittance of guilt for something they could be sued for in hopes of reducing liability, and not usually an admission of a simple mistake. :)


As far as pointing out biased headlines or stories; sure! As I said before I think the major media is a disgrace and I kind of like seeing and documenting the more blatant cases. .


Now as far as there being an overall "liberal media bias". . well, here's part of an article about the subject that pretty much reflects my view:


"Republicans of all stripes have done quite well for themselves during the past five decades fulminating about the liberal cabal/progressive thought police who spin, supplant and sometimes suppress the news we all consume. . .

But while some conservatives actually believe their own grumbles, the smart ones don't. They know mau-mauing the other side is just a good way to get their own ideas across--or perhaps prevent the other side from getting a fair hearing for theirs. On occasion, honest conservatives admit this.

Rich Bond, then chair of the Republican Party, complained during the 1992 election, "I think we know who the media want to win this election--and I don't think it's George Bush." The very same Rich Bond, however, also noted during the very same election, "There is some strategy to it [bashing the 'liberal' media].... If you watch any great coach, what they try to do is 'work the refs.' Maybe the ref will cut you a little slack on the next one."

Bond is hardly alone. That the media were biased against the Reagan Administration is an article of faith among Republicans. Yet
James Baker, perhaps the most media-savvy of them, owned up to the fact that any such complaint was decidedly misplaced. "There were days and times and events we might have had some complaints [but] on balance I don't think we had anything to complain about," he explained to one writer.

Patrick Buchanan, among the most conservative pundits and presidential candidates in Republican history, found that he could not identify any allegedly liberal bias against him during his presidential candidacies. "I've gotten balanced coverage, and broad coverage--all we could have asked. For heaven sakes, we kid about the 'liberal media,' but every Republican on earth does that," the aspiring American ayatollah cheerfully confessed during the 1996 campaign.

And even
William Kristol, without a doubt the most influential Republican/neoconservative publicist in America today, has come clean on this issue. "I admit it," he told a reporter. "The liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures. . . "


Full Story. .

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