Would you pay these prices? Help!

July 21st 2019 - Allure of the Seas Western Carb. 2A, 1C, Oceanview Balcony $3,985
July 20th 2019 - Fantasy Western Carib. 2A, 1C Oceanview Balcony $8,011

Less than half the price - peak summer prices - totally worth it for 60 sq feet less. (https://secure.royalcaribbean.com/g...19-07-21&selectedCurrencyCode=USD&shipCode=AL and https://disneycruise.disney.go.com/...AH;entityType=stateroom-type;destination=dcl/)

My daughter (8) loves the shows on the Oasis class ships...2 different ice skating shows and 2 different aqua/diving shows. She loves the musicals too (and has on cruises since she was 6) and the parade with characters, chocolate breakfast with characters, etc. Personally I only like the DCL shows from movies (Aladdin, BATB, Tangled, etc.). I don't like Believe, Wishes, etc. (won't even bother going to see them anymore) and can't imagine those keeping the interest of a 5 and under.
2A 1C, not 2C, and using peak summer prices, where Disney is super inflated and not worth the cost IMO. Sure, I'd make the same choice!

But it's NOT an exaggeration. There are as many times DCL is twice the cost as there are where it's not. Nobody has to be "right". We can go back and forth all day with examples proving the point one way or the other.
I'm sorry, it IS an exaggeration. Nobody has to be "right", but more often than not DCL is NOT twice the price... I've done too much research looking up cruises to say otherwise. It's an exaggeration, period. I'll send you my spreadsheets if you'd like.

SOMETIMES it is twice the price....
ALMOST ALWAYS it is more expensive, but not double...
And there are even times when it's very, very comparable. Especially when you add a second child, which happens to be an infant.

I really can't stress the difference of a second or third child (like the OP has). If you're just 2A 1C, I think there's a disconnect... The importance of the extra space and the reality of the extra cost on non-DCL lines... Those are real differences with 4 or 5 people.

Again, if I had one 8-year old child, I'd have a completely different outlook.

Bottom line is run the numbers, don't assume anything, and decide for yourself.
 
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2A 1C, not 2C, and using peak summer prices, where Disney is super inflated and not worth the cost IMO. Sure, I'd make the same choice!


I'm sorry, it IS an exaggeration. Nobody has to be "right", but more often than not DCL is NOT twice the price... I've done too much research looking up cruises to say otherwise. It's an exaggeration, period. I'll send you my spreadsheets if you'd like.

SOMETIMES it is twice the price....
ALMOST ALWAYS it is more expensive, but not double...
And there are even times when it's very, very comparable. Especially when you add a second child, which happens to be an infant.

I really can't stress the difference of a second or third child (like the OP has). If you're just 2A 1C, I think there's a disconnect... The importance of the extra space and the reality of the extra cost on non-DCL lines... Those are real differences with 4 or 5 people.

Again, if I had one 8-year old child, I'd have a completely different outlook.

Bottom line is run the numbers, don't assume anything, and decide for yourself.

2A, 2C Allure is $5,007
2A, 2C Fantasy is $9,892

Almost double...STILL not worth it.

And now you are qualifying by saying DCL is super inflated in the summer. But then - and school holidays - are when many people, including my family, can travel. So I don't need to see your spreadsheets because it seems you have more flexibility. When comparing holidays and summer, DCL pricing can be brutal (actually, ridiculous). BTW, in a previous life, I cruised plenty of times with 2A, 2C in an inside room and we didn't have any issues with lack of space. I think everyone just has different priorities or needs when they cruise.
 
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We are HUGE DCL fans! (almost platinum). We began sailing in 2009, when DCL had all kinds of good deals to get people back on board in the wake of the recession. Our first cruise was a discount for Canadians (our dollar was in bad shape, much like now). Then we had a bounceback offer on board for a 3-night cruise for $99/person!! Then we booked one of the first Med sailings in 2010. We got 20 percent off plus onboard credit...then we were upgraded for free about a week before sailing and had more onboard credit added because we had booked so early. And then in 2011 our Mexican cruise had Kids Sail Free offered.

Those discounts are now pretty much non-existant (there is the occasional Canadian discount still, but not for itineraries we are interested in). We now look mainly for *GT rates to sail again as our current exchange rate is still bad. A cruise that costs $6,700 US is over $8,500 for us!
 
I think everyone just has different priorities or needs when they cruise.
I have to chuckle at this tennis match.

He agrees with you!

If you have 1 kid (or sometimes 2) and they are a bit older, and you thus can only travel at peak season, and you don't need extra space, DCL is MUCH more expensive. This is your situation and you are quite correct.

If you have 3 kids, one of which is quite young, and all of them are young enough that peak season doesn't matter (his situation and that of the OP) then DCL is not much more expensive. That is his point.

I don't understand why you keep trying to give examples that only fit one of these scenarios. We get it. To Alaska or in the middle of the summer, in a single room for 4 or less, DCL is no bargain. Some people find it worthwhile anyway. But other times, for some families there is value to be had. You say that you understand that, but it just doesn't sound like you do because you keep trying to (it seems) "prove him wrong."

no worries. It is hard to communicate via text like this. Enjoy!
 

I have to chuckle at this tennis match.

He agrees with you!

If you have 1 kid (or sometimes 2) and they are a bit older, and you thus can only travel at peak season, and you don't need extra space, DCL is MUCH more expensive. This is your situation and you are quite correct.

If you have 3 kids, one of which is quite young, and all of them are young enough that peak season doesn't matter (his situation and that of the OP) then DCL is not much more expensive. That is his point.

I don't understand why you keep trying to give examples that only fit one of these scenarios. We get it. To Alaska or in the middle of the summer, in a single room for 4 or less, DCL is no bargain. Some people find it worthwhile anyway. But other times, for some families there is value to be had. You say that you understand that, but it just doesn't sound like you do because you keep trying to (it seems) "prove him wrong."

no worries. It is hard to communicate via text like this. Enjoy!
This. All of this. Thank you.

And FYI, we don't have the flexibility. My wife is a middle school teacher. Our options are spring break, June/July, and 2 weeks over Christmas/New Year's. The only potential semi-affordable week on DCL is her spring break.
 
I think the point was how frequently many people say Disney is at least twice the cost. He's just saying that's an exaggeration, not actually looking for a different line.

But it isn't an exaggeration. If anything, Ray Leblanc is doing the cherrypicking by narrowly defining his needs. Earlier this week I pulled some fares for November 2018. Basic Caribbean eastern/western 7 day trips on comparable ships (and the RC Harmony is new so an upgrade over Fantasy.) This is what I found for basic ocean view balconies (2 adults):

11/10 Disney Fantasy (western) $4,253
11/11 RC Allure (western) $2,288
11/11 RC Oasis (western) $2,358
11/11 Regal Princess (eastern) $1,838

11/17 Disney Fantasy (eastern) $5,737
11/18 RC Allure (eastern) $2,516
11/18 RC Oasis (eastern) $2,980
11/17 Royal Princess (eastern) $2,448
11/18 Regal Princess (western) $2,116

11/24 Disney Fantasy (western) $4,225
11/25 RC Oasis (western) $2,318
11/25 RC Allure (western) $2,118
11/25 RC Harmony (eastern) $2,538
11/24 Royal Princess (western) $1,838
11/25 Regal Princess (eastern) $1,698

For adults, I find Regal/Royal Princess superior to DCL in most every way. RC is probably the best for teens. DCL for young children.
 
But it isn't an exaggeration. If anything, Ray Leblanc is doing the cherrypicking by narrowly defining his needs. Earlier this week I pulled some fares for November 2018. Basic Caribbean eastern/western 7 day trips on comparable ships (and the RC Harmony is new so an upgrade over Fantasy.) This is what I found for basic ocean view balconies (2 adults):

11/10 Disney Fantasy (western) $4,253
11/11 RC Allure (western) $2,288
11/11 RC Oasis (western) $2,358
11/11 Regal Princess (eastern) $1,838

11/17 Disney Fantasy (eastern) $5,737
11/18 RC Allure (eastern) $2,516
11/18 RC Oasis (eastern) $2,980
11/17 Royal Princess (eastern) $2,448
11/18 Regal Princess (western) $2,116

11/24 Disney Fantasy (western) $4,225
11/25 RC Oasis (western) $2,318
11/25 RC Allure (western) $2,118
11/25 RC Harmony (eastern) $2,538
11/24 Royal Princess (western) $1,838
11/25 Regal Princess (eastern) $1,698

For adults, I find Regal/Royal Princess superior to DCL in most every way. RC is probably the best for teens. DCL for young children.
Of course I'm narrowly defining my needs... As Anchors Away says a couple posts up, if you have my specific needs (which are similar to the OP's), then DCL often is not so much more $.

I'm not surprised at the pricing you found for 2 adults. As you point out, that's not Disney's target market. I'm talking about families with young children... If it was 2 adults, I'd have a completely different analysis and wouldn't consider Disney. It's not cherry picking to say 'what's the best option for a family of 4-5'... That's the point of the OP's post.
 
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I have to chuckle at this tennis match.

He agrees with you!

If you have 1 kid (or sometimes 2) and they are a bit older, and you thus can only travel at peak season, and you don't need extra space, DCL is MUCH more expensive. This is your situation and you are quite correct.

If you have 3 kids, one of which is quite young, and all of them are young enough that peak season doesn't matter (his situation and that of the OP) then DCL is not much more expensive. That is his point.

I don't understand why you keep trying to give examples that only fit one of these scenarios. We get it. To Alaska or in the middle of the summer, in a single room for 4 or less, DCL is no bargain. Some people find it worthwhile anyway. But other times, for some families there is value to be had. You say that you understand that, but it just doesn't sound like you do because you keep trying to (it seems) "prove him wrong."

no worries. It is hard to communicate via text like this. Enjoy!
Ahhhhh I think I'm done with the tennis match lol. Everybody has a problem with what I'm saying, one way or another...

Thank you for summarizing my thoughts, that's exactly point... Family of 4-5 with young kids/infants, DCL is often not too crazy... 1 (or 2) older kids, there are probably better options. And just 2 adults, I wouldn't consider DCL...

But such nuances are lost on message boards. I just replied because I felt the same way the OP did... Apparently that was a mistake.

Thanks anyway!
 
I agree, it doesn't! You seem to like cherry picking certain examples. I've never considered a 2-week Baltic cruise! But you have, and I'm with you on your analysis.

But on a 7-day Caribbean cruise, I don't think I can do much better for my family than $6,700 for the room I outlined above. jenf22 seems to agree.

Could I save $1,500-$2,000 on a different ship? Sure, but I've evaluated what's important to me, and decided that the Fantasy is the best fit and worth that extra cost. I'm not sure what's so hard to accept about that.

And yes, my main problem is the 'half price' thing is thrown around like it's a fact. If you think the Rhapsody of the Seas is equal to the Disney Fantasy, then maybe it is a fact. But as other have also said, it really depends, and you need to price everything out and do some detailed research. I don't think the comparisons thrown around on boards are always apples to apples.

I don't believe Carnival is in the same class as Disney, I'm sorry. If you do, and you feel the value is there, then more power to you. No problem!

Again, as I've said, no hard feelings with those who disagree with my decisions! We can all do what we want with our vacation dollars. But the 'half price' thing is wrong almost all of the time, especially for families of 4-5 (unless you can get a KSF).
I think we call agree that dcl is considerably more expensive then any other cruiselines . Wether you consider disney to be better the carnival is just personally taste. You could go to a Carnival board and find numerous people that think Carnival is better. As far as cherry picking cruises . It goes both way ways. You pick cruises that are closer. In price and then look at square feet to justify the cost difference.
You don't need to bash other cruiselines or divide the cost by square feet to justify paying a premium. If you don't mind paying the premium then own iit. I honestly thought you were looking for comparable options at a lowere cost. Obviously you weren't. I'm sorry I wasted my time.
 
I can tell you that the DCL is almost 3 times the cost of NCL Getaway in the Baltic next Summer. 8000 vs 22000. Disney is two days longer, but 2 days and a couple extra square feet does not equal 14k.
That example made me laugh because we're booked on the NCL Getaway in the Baltic next summer for that very reason.
 
I think we call agree that dcl is considerably more expensive then any other cruiselines . Wether you consider disney to be better the carnival is just personally taste. You could go to a Carnival board and find numerous people that think Carnival is better. As far as cherry picking cruises . It goes both way ways. You pick cruises that are closer. In price and then look at square feet to justify the cost difference.
You don't need to bash other cruiselines or divide the cost by square feet to justify paying a premium. If you don't mind paying the premium then own iit. I honestly thought you were looking for comparable options at a lowere cost. Obviously you weren't. I'm sorry I wasted my time.

There are also cruise lines that are far more expensive than DCL. :confused3

Honestly I feel like the bashing goes both ways - people bash on DCL cruisers for spending more money on average and DCL cruisers bash other lines for not being as inclusive or.. well.. Disney. Personally square footage isn't THAT important a factor either. Well, until you look at the footage of the showers... or lack thereof. :magnify: Every cruise I try to take a bath and every cruise I am miserably reminded how futile it is...
 
There are also cruise lines that are far more expensive than DCL. :confused3

Honestly I feel like the bashing goes both ways - people bash on DCL cruisers for spending more money on average and DCL cruisers bash other lines for not being as inclusive or.. well.. Disney. Personally square footage isn't THAT important a factor either. Well, until you look at the footage of the showers... or lack thereof. :magnify: Every cruise I try to take a bath and every cruise I am miserably reminded how futile it is...
If I was going to bash anyone for spending money on DCL the first person I'd have to bash is myself.. I don't bash other cruiselines to justify why I spend more money to cruise on DCl ...or divide the cost by square feet...like I'm buying a house. I feel like if your questioning the "worth" of something you've probably already decided it's not worth it. Yes there other cruiselines that cost more then dcl, but those aren't marketed to families. I've never read anyone questioning wether they should sail on Silverseas or DCl which are two totally different experiences.
 
You don't need to bash other cruiselines or divide the cost by square feet to justify paying a premium. If you don't mind paying the premium then own iit.
Here's what I said about Carnival: "I don't believe Carnival is in the same class as Disney, I'm sorry. If you do, and you feel the value is there, then more power to you. No problem!"

That's not bashing another cruise line; that's stating a preference and perception that I have. I even say that if you have a different perception, then great! No problem :)

My initial post, which you replied to and took exception to, was in response to the OP when she asked why she couldn't find these "great deals" on other lines that everybody talks about for her family of 5. I simply told her that I've found the same thing to be true and the "half price non-DCL" cruise comments are a little overblown. That's all... but then you demanded I cite specific examples, and it devolved from there.

For a family of 4-5, depending on the time of year, itinerary, and personal preference for space needs, DCL may not be that much more than other lines, especially considering the value-adds they offer for a family with very small children. Or, it could still be prohibitively expensive. There are a lot of variables there, but that's absolutely all I was ever trying to say. But I repeatedly got taken to task over the issue, usually being thrown off with examples that did not fit my "narrow criteria", which was narrow in the first place because of the OP and my unique wants/needs.

I've said it half a dozen times now... everybody is completely free to make their own decisions and choose what makes the most sense for them. But to say that Disney is always overpriced is simply not true. It depends on what you feel is important and how you value what each line offers. You compare how you want to, and I'll compare how I want to.

I've also said, repeatedly, that in a few years when my kids are older, our criteria will likely shift and point us towards other lines. But right now, even at the higher overall prices, the value of a Disney Cruise exceeds the value I would get elsewhere. So we're cruising Disney for the foreseeable future, but certainly not forever.

If at this stage in my life I want to factor in room size and sleeping arrangements for my family, which includes an infant, and consider the 'cost per square foot', among several other factors, I will do that. Frankly, it's not so much about square footage as room for a crib and/or 2 separate sleeping spaces for 2 kids (or 3 for 3 kids). It seems there are other like-minded folks on here, and others who could care less about such issues. Again, NO PROBLEM!

We all have our own criteria (which evolves as our families grow), and there's nothing wrong with that. We don't have to agree on the same criteria... as some have said, that's the beauty of cruising. The OP and I seemed to share some of the same struggles/wants/needs/observations, so I jumped in.

I'm sorry if you disagree with how I look at things, but stop trying to tell me I'm wrong. I understand your viewpoint, and my reaction is "no problem, different strokes for different folks." But you seem very determined to tell me that I'm looking at this all wrong. How about this: you do your thing, and I'll do mine. We share our thoughts respectfully. That's what these boards are for.
 
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If I"m reading your post...a Disney 3 day cruise is $5000 (assuming USD)??? That's ridiculous...even if a family of 5!
As comparison, we are paying $1800 CAD for a 4 day cruise on Mariner for family of 4. Now yes, the four of us are staying i one stateroom...which i realize is not possible for 5 in a standard cabin...but I think when I looked it was maybe $500 more to get 2 staterooms (and note that I am quoting CAD). Royal's Mariner is getting a huge makeover right now with slides, laser tag, trampoline..and also has ice rink, rock wall, etc...so quite family friendly. It's what is worth to you...but definitely not worth to us. And actually a few years ago we selected Royal Allure over Disney for the price difference and had an amazing time.
 
I would think you could get a room the size you're looking for on NCL or Royal if/when they do Kids Sail Free for that time frame. I'm pretty sure NCL will offer it because we've cruised during that time in March, not sure about Royal. They've got KSF for our cruise in October on Allure, but I don't see it for March. It really helps a lot with the rate. Right now with the prices you're seeing, I'd probably do what you're doing and stick with Disney. :)

I wanted to amend my post to add .... "but I would keep checking". But then again, I'm a compulsive cruise shopper :)

Bottom line is run the numbers, don't assume anything, and decide for yourself.
^ This. Everyone should run their own numbers. And check often. I may joke about having a compulsion, but prices change on the other lines quite frequently and I've saved thousands (literally!) by rebooking existing cruises.
 
I agree, it doesn't! You seem to like cherry picking certain examples. I've never considered a 2-week Baltic cruise! But you have, and I'm with you on your analysis.

But on a 7-day Caribbean cruise, I don't think I can do much better for my family than $6,700 for the room I outlined above. jenf22 seems to agree.

Could I save $1,500-$2,000 on a different ship? Sure, but I've evaluated what's important to me, and decided that the Fantasy is the best fit and worth that extra cost. I'm not sure what's so hard to accept about that.

And yes, my main problem is the 'half price' thing is thrown around like it's a fact. If you think the Rhapsody of the Seas is equal to the Disney Fantasy, then maybe it is a fact. But as other have also said, it really depends, and you need to price everything out and do some detailed research. I don't think the comparisons thrown around on boards are always apples to apples.

I don't believe Carnival is in the same class as Disney, I'm sorry. If you do, and you feel the value is there, then more power to you. No problem!

Again, as I've said, no hard feelings with those who disagree with my decisions! We can all do what we want with our vacation dollars. But the 'half price' thing is wrong almost all of the time, especially for families of 4-5 (unless you can get a KSF).

Carnival new ships are just as classy as Disney's. The look and entertainment are very different (modern vs classic + different entertainment) but I find them just as good and the food much better. Remove the mouse from DCL and they are quite similar.

So... Your loss, I guess?
 
Carnival new ships are just as classy as Disney's. The look and entertainment are very different (modern vs classic + different entertainment) but I find them just as good and the food much better. Remove the mouse from DCL and they are quite similar.

So... Your loss, I guess?
Your opinion*, but I appreciate the input! In all seriousness, we may look at them sometime.

That's why cruising is great. Your enjoy yours, I enjoy mine, and we all have a great time. No judgement any which way!
 
Here's what I said about Carnival: "I don't believe Carnival is in the same class as Disney, I'm sorry. If you do, and you feel the value is there, then more power to you. No problem!"

That's not bashing another cruise line; that's stating a preference and perception that I have. I even say that if you have a different perception, then great! No problem :)

My initial post, which you replied to and took exception to, was in response to the OP when she asked why she couldn't find these "great deals" on other lines that everybody talks about for her family of 5. I simply told her that I've found the same thing to be true and the "half price non-DCL" cruise comments are a little overblown. That's all... but then you demanded I cite specific examples, and it devolved from there.

For a family of 4-5, depending on the time of year, itinerary, and personal preference for space needs, DCL may not be that much more than other lines, especially considering the value-adds they offer for a family with very small children. Or, it could still be prohibitively expensive. There are a lot of variables there, but that's absolutely all I was ever trying to say. But I repeatedly got taken to task over the issue, usually being thrown off with examples that did not fit my "narrow criteria", which was narrow in the first place because of the OP and my unique wants/needs.

I've said it half a dozen times now... everybody is completely free to make their own decisions and choose what makes the most sense for them. But to say that Disney is always overpriced is simply not true. It depends on what you feel is important and how you value what each line offers. You compare how you want to, and I'll compare how I want to.

I've also said, repeatedly, that in a few years when my kids are older, our criteria will likely shift and point us towards other lines. But right now, even at the higher overall prices, the value of a Disney Cruise exceeds the value I would get elsewhere. So we're cruising Disney for the foreseeable future, but certainly not forever.

If at this stage in my life I want to factor in room size and sleeping arrangements for my family, which includes an infant, and consider the 'cost per square foot', among several other factors, I will do that. Frankly, it's not so much about square footage as room for a crib and/or 2 separate sleeping spaces for 2 kids (or 3 for 3 kids). It seems there are other like-minded folks on here, and others who could care less about such issues. Again, NO PROBLEM!

We all have our own criteria (which evolves as our families grow), and there's nothing wrong with that. We don't have to agree on the same criteria... as some have said, that's the beauty of cruising. The OP and I seemed to share some of the same struggles/wants/needs/observations, so I jumped in.

I'm sorry if you disagree with how I look at things, but stop trying to tell me I'm wrong. I understand your viewpoint, and my reaction is "no problem, different strokes for different folks." But you seem very determined to tell me that I'm looking at this all wrong. How about this: you do your thing, and I'll do mine. We share our thoughts respectfully. That's what these boards are for.
I don't believe I was referring to you specifically, but there has been numerous threads on the same topic. I was speaking in general terms.
 
Your opinion*, but I appreciate the input! In all seriousness, we may look at them sometime.

That's why cruising is great. Your enjoy yours, I enjoy mine, and we all have a great time. No judgement any which way!

Still, I am curious.

Which Carnival cruiseship have you tried?

To me, it's not "opinions" but experiences. I've done 2 cruises on the Dream, 1 on the Wonder vs 2 cruises on the Victory and 1 on the Vista.

What I am saying is that if you strip DCL from all the theming, the ships are beautiful but the offerings regarding food and entertainment is a bit limited. While the Carnival ships can look a little more toned down when it comes to the looks, the offerings regarding food and entertainment is slightly or much more interesting (at least for adults) depending on which ship you chose to sail on. Which is the reason why I invite people to compare the Fantasy and Dream to the Vista and Horizon because to me, they are in the same category if you make abstraction of the mouse and focus on the "cruising part".
 
This thread, started by MomOTwins, has been so insightful to cost variances among various cruise lines.

We keep saying "this will be our last DCL cruise" due to increasing fares for my DH and myself. We are booked on the Magic this September - Quebec City to NYC. We booked last summer. For this cruise, DCL offered *GT rates two months ago! We cancelled our reservation and rebooked a *GT stateroom and saved $700. We will be somewhere on the ship!

My first cruise was on the Magic in 1999. This upcoming cruise is DCL #28. We did cruise on RC last year and enjoyed the ship, crew, itinerary, etc. I wish all of you more wonderful and memorable cruise vacations, no matter which line, ship, cabin type, etc.
 
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