WoooooooHoooooooo, John McCain rocks!!!!!

[jrydberg]

It is somewhat encouraging to see the more moderate elements of the Republican party have a larger voice. It has yet to translate into policy, but at least it seems to be heading in the right direction, IMO.

 

[Saffron]

Why is Giuliani thought of as a leader for the Republican party? Seriously, I'm asking an honest question. I felt sorry for him before 9/11 because he was being raked over the coals for having an extra marital affair, leaving his wife and moving in with the other woman, then the cancer scare, the way New York was preceived as going down the drain financially etc. I truly felt for him. The guy couldn't catch a break at a time when he needed to, with his cancer scare. Then 9/11 happened. He was a mayor who did the best he could for his city and the people of the city, opening himself and his heart up to everyone. So when did the tides turn for Giuliani? He was mocked for his family values pre-9/11, I swear I thought people were going to do whatever they could to get him out of office before his term was over simply because of that (kind of like what the McGreevy is going through now)!

I was with McCain up until he started talking about Iraq. Then he blurred the lines between the two separate wars, the War on Terrorism and the Iraq War. Then I had to turn him off, because he turned me off.

One thing I give McCain credit for last night ... at least he had the cajones to come out and say (I'm paraphrasing here) "whether or not there were WMD, SOMEDAY Saddem would have gotten them". That's better than, "Well, they're there, we just haven't found them yet." or "Maybe they've been moved across the border somewhere, somehow, someway."

 

[jrydberg]

I agree about that last point, Saffron. For some reason, most politicians seem afraid to say anything in a straightforward fashion. That has been painfully obvious regarding any statements about WMDs and Iraq.

 

[richiebaseball]

Originally posted by lucysdad
John McCain is a disgrace. After everything he's stood for and after what the Bush campaign did to him in 2000, do you think he might have his own agenda? Gee, duh. Appease the party and let me run in 2008. And for that he'll sell his soul?

And what would you call John Kerry? After everything he's stood for and after what he did to Vietnam veterans after the war, do you think he might now have his own agenda? Gee, duh. Appease the left, ask the veterans to forget the past except for my medals I am reporting for duty elect me President in 2004. For that he has already sold his soul.

Just one man's opinion.

Richard

 

[Maleficent13]

Do you know, I am SO glad I don't have a TV. I couldn't watch the Dem Con and I can't watch the Rep Con. So all I have to go on are the platforms, the written speeches, and where the candidates stand on the issues I care about. I don't have to wade through the rhetoric and pomp and circumstance of either candidate or their supporters.

Now I know how people elected presidents before TV.

 

[richiebaseball]

Originally posted by LoraJ
And about people losing their jobs, my department at work is about to get cut in half. Both repubs and dems will be losing their jobs. It's seriously nothing to laugh at. And in this market, it is going to be a lot harder for us to get new jobs. Most have been at this company for years and the technology has changed and these people will be kicked out the door, and will have to re-train but may still lack experience to get new jobs. Either that or take HUGE pay cuts and change careers.

I'm sorry to hear about the job situation where you work but this statement took me by surprise, "Most have been at this company for years and the technology has changed and these people will be kicked out the door, and will have to re-train but may still lack experience to get new jobs'. Either that or take HUGE pay cuts and change careers.

What would be your suggestion? Should a company be forced to keep people in obsolete jobs? Should companies be forced to add more payroll to bring back jobs like, buggy makers, elevator operators, and blacksmiths?

Again, I truly hate to hear about situations like this. But shouldn't the employee accept at least part of the responsibility? Dont' get me wrong, I think an employer owes it to an employee and themselves to help in this kind of situation including but not limited to re-training. But if technology is changing and certain jobs are becoming obsolete, shouldn't employees take it upon themselves to manage their own future?

Richard

 

[Elwood Blues]

Mal, you don't have a TV?

Even the Flinstones had a TV.

 

[Maleficent13]

Originally posted by Elwood Blues
Mal, you don't have a TV?

Even the Flinstones had a TV.

Nope, no TV. I haven't had one since my divorce over 2 years ago. Cancelled the cable then since it was in his name, and before I had the time to get it re-connected in my own name, I discovered how much more I got done not having TV. So I took the set to the spare room and haven't looked back!

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by wvrevy
What else would you call people that refuse to tell the full truth to allow people to make up their own minds about something?

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky." (President Bill Clinton - Washington, D.C., January 26, 1998)

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by we3luvdisney
"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky." (President Bill Clinton - Washington, D.C., January 26, 1998)

Your point would be what ? That Clinton lied about his sex life, so it's ok for people to lie and smear someone ELSE'S character ? Yeah, that sounds about par for the course for you

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by wvrevy
It's easy to tell when Republicans are lying.....Just wait 'till their lips start moving

"Any president that lies to the American people should have to resign."

"Yes, the president should resign. He has lied to the American people, time and time again, and betrayed their trust. Since he has admitted guilt, there is no reason to put the American people through an impeachment. He will serve absolutely no purpose in finishing out his term the only possible solution is for the president to save some dignity and resign."

From the 12th Congressional District Hopeful William Jefferson Clinton during the Nixon investigations.

__________________________


BOSNIA, 1995 Clinton said he would deploy troops to Bosnia for only 18 months, and then they would come home.

BOSNIA, 1998 The Clinton administration confirmed plans to maintain thousands of troops on an open-ended peacekeeping mission in Bosnia-Herzegovina with no exit strategy.`The policy is to remain there. It's open-ended.'

___________________________


GENNIFER FLOWERS, 1992 Clinton emphatically denied having affair with Gennifer Flowers

GENNIFER FLOWERS, 1998 Clinton admits in deposition to having sexual affair with Gennifer Flowers

___________________________

Bill Clinton, June 8 1996 "I have vivid and painful memories of black churches being burned in my own state when I was a child."

THE TRUTH: NOT A SINGLE BLACK CHURCH BURNED IN ARKANSAS WHEN HE WAS GROWING UP.

___________________________

Bill Clinton, Feb 12, 1996 "Since I was a little boy, I've heard about the Iowa caucuses. That's why I would really like to do well in them."

THE TRUTH: THE IOWA CAUCUSES DIDN'T BEGIN UNTIL 1972 when Clinton was at Oxford in England.

___________________________

THE LIE Bill Clinton, 1992 "The [Bush] administration continues to coddle China, despite its continuing crackdown on democratic reform"

THE TRUTH Bill Clinton, 1994 I have decided that the United States should renew Most Favored Nation trading status toward China."I am moving, therefore, to delink human rights from the annual extension of Most Favored Nation trading status for China."

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by wvrevy
That Clinton lied about his sex life, so it's ok for people to lie and smear someone ELSE'S character ?

GENNIFER FLOWERS, 1992 Clinton emphatically denied having affair with Gennifer Flowers

GENNIFER FLOWERS, 1998 Clinton admits in deposition to having sexual affair with Gennifer Flowers


I guess Bill didn't mind smearing Gennifer Flowers

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Yeah, that sounds about par for the course for you

I'm not smearing anyone. This is a fact! You want the link?

 

[wvrevy]

I'm sorry, but have you been out of town for a few years there smart aleck ? Last time I checked, Clinton wasn't running for re-election

Still have that stupid line in your signature I see

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by wvrevy
Tori, seriously...I wish you were right, but I just don't see it. Believe me, nothing would make me happier than seeing the Republicans move towards a more centrist, more socially moderate position. Anything would be better than the bible-thumping wingnuts that are apparently in charge of the party at the moment (just read the platform...nothing MODERATE about it).

This is funny! How about you, wruvy? Where are you on the political spectrum? It seems to me you are about as extremely far left as one can be (no doubt you'll protest and cite how you've supported one or two republicans in your day and would again IF they'd just be more "socially moderate"!)

I've said it before and I continue to believe that there IS no more centrist Democratic party. With the notable exceptions of Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman (practically Democratic Party outcasts now, imo), it's made up of a bunch of left wing moral and cultural relativists who profess tolerance while resorting to screeds filled with shameless and painful namecalling addressed to anyone disagreeing with their views. To these folks, Republicans are homophobic, racist, misogynistic, and militaristic liars that don't see nor understand the need for subtlety, diplomacy, the United Nations' input, and the value of appeasement.

In other threads, many of these aforementioned lefties have put down Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller FOR the centrist views they profess to have. I may have missed a few threads, but I haven't seen ONE Democrat praise these two for their views and lament the fact that their party has moved so far away from what's considered "centrist".

As for your comment that I don't know what I'm talking about regarding the smear on McCain, you are incorrect. I do know what the accusations are and I do know what the response from the Bush campaign was. You are choosing to believe the accusations and disbelieve the Bush Campaign's response. I believe the Bush Campaign's response.

 

[we3luvdisney]

Originally posted by wvrevy
I'm sorry, but have you been out of town for a few years there smart aleck ? Last time I checked, Clinton wasn't running for re-election

Still have that stupid line in your signature I see

Boy, you're testy this AM and resorting to name calling on a public board.

Everything I've posted about President Clinton is true (you want me to post more?) If there's any errors, just post me a link to show me the correction and I'll admit that I was wrong.

BTW -- When are you going to apologize about the Iraq/Niger Yellow Cake connection?

 

[Kendra17]

I wanted to add that we have also been affected by the economy, and in no way do we blame the Bush Administration for this. My husband lost his VP job in Cleveland, Oh on 12/31/02. He found an even better position in Nashville by March of 2003, and we moved. I was pregnant at the time, and needless to say, the move was difficult--especially the fact that we were moving away from my extended family who was very very close with our older children. Furthermore, my DH also has his own business and lost some clients due to overseas providers offering similar services.

However, the difference here is that we don't have the expectation that the government is here to take care of us financially. Yes, my DH took the unemployment benefit offered him, but we know WE are capable of supporting ourselves and finding suitable positions, etc. As a matter of fact, although I'm out of the workforce presently, we have both furthered our education and expanded our skills to make us more marketable. As a matter of fact, we have faith that most of the general public can do the same if they set goals for themselves--no matter what race one happens to be.

we3luvdisney, I still continue to agree with and get a kick from your signature.

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by Kendra17
This is funny! How about you, wruvy? Where are you on the political spectrum? It seems to me you are about as extremely far left as one can be (no doubt you'll protest and cite how you've supported one or two republicans in your day and would again IF they'd just be more "socially moderate"!)

So, because I'm against gay-bashing, for a woman's right to choose, against private citizens owning Uzi's, and against the government teaching my child christianity, I'm "as extremely far left as one can be" ? Any you wonder why I say that wingnuts have taken over the Republican party.

Originally posted by Kendra17 I've said it before and I continue to believe that there IS no more centrist Democratic party. With the notable exceptions of Zell Miller and Joe Lieberman (practically Democratic Party outcasts now, imo), it's made up of a bunch of left wing moral and cultural relativists who profess tolerance while resorting to screeds filled with shameless and painful namecalling addressed to anyone disagreeing with their views. To these folks, Republicans are homophobic, racist, misogynistic, and militaristic liars that don't see nor understand subtleties or the need for diplomacy, the United Nations' input, and the value of appeasement. [/B]

Joe Lieberman I don't have a problem with, other than his rigid stance on the war. He's just a boring candidate. Miller is a slug, betraying his party on the way out the door to draw attention to himself. As for your description of republicans...your platform is BLATANTLY homophobic and your candidate OBVIOUSLY fails to understand subtlety. But hey, at least he's finally ALMOST admitted a mistake, calling it a "miscalculation".... Yeah, I guess you could call hundreds of dead soldiers since you claimed "mission accomplished" just a slight "miscalculation".

Originally posted by Kendra17 In other threads, many of these aforementioned lefties have put down Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller FOR the centrist views they profess to have. I may have missed a few threads, but I haven't seen ONE Democrat praise these two for their views and lament the fact that their party has moved so far away from what's considered "centrist".[/B]

I've never put down Lieberman, other than to call him "Bush lite" (which I would certainly think of as an insult, but not sure why you would). He's MUCH closer to Bush's views than I believe the party needed as their candidate.

Originally posted by Kendra17 As for your comment that I don't know what I'm talking about regarding the smear on McCain, you are incorrect. I do know what the accusations are and I do know what the response from the Bush campaign was. You are choosing to believe the accusations and disbelieve the Bush Campaign's response. I believe the Bush Campaign's response. [/B]

So, despite repeat the similarity between the sliming of John McCain and the sliming of John Kerry, you choose to keep the blinders on and pretend that the Bush camp has nothing to do with it ? The police call that an "M.O.", don't they ? Sorry, but when something keeps happening over and over, you've got to be either very gullible or very partisan to continue to disbelieve it.

 

[disney4us2002]

Kendra, I'm guessing you're asking a rhetorical question as surely we know the answer.

So what does everyone think about this notion being talked about to amend the rules of presidency to allow nonAmerican-born people to become president. I've heard several of the analysts on tv talking about Arnold running in the future. What do you think? Lots of jokes were made once before about an actor becoming president but that turned out to be a darn fine thing! Other countries don't like Bush; what do you think they'd think about the Terminator for president, lol?

Does anyone have a link to last night's theme, "A Nation of Courage"?

 

[wvrevy]

Originally posted by we3luvdisney
Boy, you're testy this AM and resorting to name calling on a public board.

Everything I've posted about President Clinton is true (you want me to post more?) If there's any errors, just post me a link to show me the correction and I'll admit that I was wrong.

BTW -- When are you going to apologize about the Iraq/Niger Yellow Cake connection?

Here's the point...CLINTON ISN'T RUNNING....Why you can't seem to understand that is beyond me