Winter Dec 25 - Jan 26 Direct Incentives

[Sandisw]

Resale perks waved bye-bye a long time ago. Disney would have to be especially punitive to stick it to resale buyers at this point:

1. Early Entry / Extended evening hours
2. Advanced Lightning Lane and/or dining reservation windows
3. Free Parking
4. Free Wifi

Getting rid of these (for resale points only) would not only be hostile, but hard to actually implement. Not sure if it would even violate the contract if the perks are considered to come with the room.

The silver lining is that Disney has exhausted viable options for hurting resale, and the only remaining options are to improve direct benefits.

Those have nothing to do with DVC so they can’t be taken away from resale owners.

The contract gives us the right to all onsite programs/amenities that cash guests get and that applies to all DVC owners.

So, they are tied to being guests at WDW. The only way those go away if Disney gets rid of them. Like DME…when that ended, it ended for everyone.

 

[airjay75]

I'm now wondering why didn't DVC just restict all resale contracts to the home resort? We can still book the O14 with resale. Is it a contractual thing? If not, I can totally see them doing this in the future, while grandfathering existing resale owners.

Others are probably better versed in the history here, but I don't think that was or is a possibility under the terms of the O14 resorts. The most they could do is what they did - restrict those points from being exchanged into new resorts admitted to BVTC (the Buena Vista Exchange Company, which is how we are all able to exchange our points at the 7-month mark). There was/is somewhat of a controversy as to whether it was actually legal to admit RIV/VDH/CFW to BVTC because the terms on which they have been admitted are arguably not comparable to the O14 resorts, and there are some requirements under our governing documents for them to be comparable. You can find a lot of old threads on here discussing this at length.

All that said, if DVD could have restricted all resale, I think they would have. To date, I think the resale restrictions are doing exactly what they were intended to do - encourage people to buy direct instead of resale.

 

[Sandisw]

I'm now wondering why didn't DVC just restict all resale contracts to the home resort? We can still book the O14 with resale. Is it a contractual thing? If not, I can totally see them doing this in the future, while grandfathering existing resale owners.

Each resort enters into BVTC with its own rules. So, the DVC resort agreements for the O14 all entered with the rule that they would allow trading into their resort by all owners of the other resort in exchange for letting those owners do the same.

RIV, VDH and CFW entered with different DVC resort agreements.

Those entered with the rule that they would not allow resale points to be used there in exchange for their resale owners to be prohibited from being used at the other resort, beginning in 2019 when RIV opened.

They grandfathered in resale points owned prior to 2019 because the POS had language that said any new resorts would have similar rules…but they removed that moving forward.

 

[SugarSweetLee]

I’m not sure how to respond to this. I believe my comment was in regards to why someone would ever buy Aulani direct. If someone who is West Coast based wants home resort priority at Aulani & the ability to use the points at VDH within 7m from time to time, but would never use the 11m window then AUL direct (especially with an on property special deal) could be a good way to go.

No worries! Your comment was responding to my original post about 1) the onsite offers we received and 2) wanting to buy a resale contract sometime, so I thought it was directed at me.

 

[Genie+]

They grandfathered in resale points owned prior to 2019 because the POS had language that said any new resorts would have similar rules…but they removed that moving forward.

This is the part I don’t really understand. It doesn’t concern me personally because we bought after 2019.

For all the direct buyers going back to 1991, why should their contracts terms after reselling be any different whether they chose to sell in 2018 or 2020? They all had the same/similar contracts. How does one owner from the original BCV sales get to sell their contract with zero resort restrictions, and another owner who bought that same week way back then not have the same right? They both bought under the same contract.

 

[Sandisw]

This is the part I don’t really understand. It doesn’t concern me personally because we bought after 2019.

For all the direct buyers going back to 1991, why should their contracts terms after reselling be any different whether they chose to sell in 2018 or 2020? They all had the same/similar contracts. How does one owner from the original BCV sales get to sell their contract with zero resort restrictions, and another owner who bought that same week way back then not have the same right? They both bought under the same contract.

Because the contract allows the DVc Resort Agreement to be amended.

RIV entered blocking resale…so technically all resale could be banned.

However, DVD decided to grandfather those prior to 2019 because of the initial language in the DVc resort agreement that mentions new resorts would have substantially similar rules.

So, they updated the terms so anyone buying since 2019 are buying with the resale restrictions in play.

Now, some believe it could be challenged. My guess is DVD feels confident they could do it because it’s been added to VDH and CFW as well.

The reason they can’t make rules different for using the home resort is because FL timeshare law doesn’t allow that.

But trading is different and those rules can be amended.

 

[Genie+]

Because the contract allows the DVc Resort Agreement to be amended.

RIV entered blocking resale…so technically all resale could be banned.

However, DVD decided to grandfather those prior to 2019 because of the initial language in the DVc resort agreement that mentions new resorts would have substantially similar rules.

So, they updated the terms so anyone buying since 2019 are buying with the resale restrictions in play.

Now, some believe it could be challenged. My guess is DVD feels confident they could do it because it’s been added to VDH and CFW as well.

The reason they can’t make rules different for using the home resort is because FL timeshare law doesn’t allow that.

But trading is different and those rules can be amended.

That is helpful. Thanks!

 

[Smooth_Whiskey]

Bout to make a poor DVC sale person go through the process knowing I'm gonna back out afterward. I just need to see the CCV numbers. Why am I like this?!

 

[juliebee]

Bout to make a poor DVC sale person go through the process knowing I'm gonna back out afterward. I just need to see the CCV numbers. Why am I like this?!

You mean these numbers? - https://dvcexplorer.com/fin/m/CopperCreek_Member_DeveloperCredit.pdf

 

[Girlstar30]

You mean these numbers? - https://dvcexplorer.com/fin/m/CopperCreek_Member_DeveloperCredit.pdf

255 per point I didnt know that