Wine and Dine 2015

[sperkins921]

The 3:00 group started literally right next to me at the front of H. Originally,
I had planned to pace with them for a while and then try to make a break for it between AK and DHS, which wouldn't happen (obviously).

I will say that they were pacing ahead of the 3:00 equivalent for the distance and while they walked water stops because of congestion, they really didn't take breaks anywhere else. I dropped back from them around the disco tunnel (mostly because I was hot, but really because I was kind of over it) and then lost them completely when I stopped to take pictures in the lights. I caught back up with them backstage in EPCOT before we hit the crosswalk area, so honestly, I'm not really sure what they were doing the whole time.



110-percent this!

What pace do you think the 3:00 group kept on the course @Keels ? If I remember correctly the 3:00 group was supposed to be a 2:1 ratio? But if they didn't stop other than water stations, that sounds like the 2 hour pacing to me. Was it hard to keep up with them?

I did smell smoke. I thought it was the smoking sections...cough, cough, wheeze, inhaler.

LOL

Now I know who threw water on me during the race as they ran by

That's where I'm at. At the end of the month I start a new training cycle and anyone I have to chat with about it just nods politely at me and pretends they don't think I'm crazy.

You can always come here and post to us!! I don't plan to unsub from this thread because I want to hear from a lot of you and off the top of my head I can only think of one other person here I know for sure is running with me (well not with me literally but you get the idea) in princess. I think there are others, but I'm not positive on exactly how many.

I think y'all have handled this really well. You should wear your shirt and your medal because you trained and you showed up prepared. You may not have run 13.1 on Saturday but you put in way more than that with training. Maybe instead of "I Did It" meaning 13 miles, it can mean "I kept a good attitude when everyone else was whining." In reading this thread and some on FB, I have only seen one or two people having an absolute tantrum *cough*grownmen*cough* You guys are the spirit of Disney, IMO.

I haven't gone out to other social media sites so I'm not sure how bad it is out there; but I think everyone here has handled it really really well. I love how we all supported each other through training and now this. And for me personally, I'd like to thank everyone for letting us all have a safe space within which we could b...err....vent. Overall, here at least, I think the way we dealt with it really was very in the spirit of Disney, like you said.

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Someone had posted this on another thread a while back, it seems appropriate.
Hugs to all

I really really needed to see that. Mixed reactions dealing with the public leaving today. I wore my medal and my I did it shirt because honestly even though I was disappointed I didn't do what I thought I did time wise- I KNOW for a fact I ran as hard and as seriously as I could. I literally could not have done better. And if you knew me IRL; you'd know how rare it is that I say that about anything I do bc I'm super hard on myself.

But outside of our little shared space? There are definitely mixed feelings in the community about us and these medals. I mean, we ran what was given to us- and I haven't heard (ok seen) even one of us say that when he/she heard the race was shortened that they took it easier. In fact it seems everyone (again at least here) went b@ll$ to the wall with their running and pushed themselves. So why the grief? It's not like we were swept. We came to run and run we did....

I just wanted to jump on here and say thank you to all of you guys. I agree with the poster who said they feel like we "went thru something together." Even tho in the grand scheme of life, it is only running (not disease or war or anything so serious), it is still an emotional challenge to deal with. It's true that after a big goal race people feel post-race letdown because something you've been working towards for months is now not there for you to work towards. And couple that with the fact that we didnt get to do the actual race as we prepared for physically and mentally, it makes it twice as hard. I'm trying to focus on my next endeavors and create my new plan but the fact remains that wine and dine still feel unfinished to me. Which means that eventually I'm going to have to go back. I'm pretty sure I too would have been a mess after 13.1 - I could barely walk after 6.whatever bc of all the standing and the delay and the fact that I ran much harder than I would have run a half distance. But I think I could have done it even if not pretty.

Someone mentioned finding another half. Not so easy up north here right now. At least in my corner of PA. But I'll look. In the meantime, I'm going to try to focus on my cross training and general maintenance until its time to ramp back up for the Star Wars 10k I signed up for (January).

I'm suspicious that once the dust settles this will be how I feel. That wine and dine 2015 was the one that got away. And the perfectionist Virgo in me isn't gonna let that be true easily

Now, if I come back and this race spanks me again? All bets are off lol

If anyone is looking for another race the site RunningInTheUSA has a good search tool. You can select a state, chose upcoming, choose half marathon, and get any races scheduled. For you I found three in PA but if you are close to another state you may want to check those out as well.

I think it was figment who was looking for PA races, but I'm definitely going to check this out. Hoping I can find one before the could weather settles in too well.

I know there are still a couple halfs left in NH and ME... Wolf Hollow in Nashua is the one I was going to do for Half Fanatics (11/22), and there is a Santa one in Portland in December. Might be a second one in Portland, not sure.

Portland in Dec? Yikes!

You're a better runner than me if you can run in that weather.

 

[RunningPrince]

Arrived back in CA this morning - just catching up on the pages of comments missed while down at WDW.

Quick summary of experience: Went with the rental car for this trip which turned out to work great as we were at AKL. Got in Thursday at midnight and went straight to bed - ahhhh the humidity (or is that the humanity?) !!! Up early Friday to do AK early magic hours to ride Everest, Dinosaur and Tough to be a Bug before heading to WWoS for expo at 10 am. Lines there were terrible for commemorative items as others mentioned and the merchandise was going fast - got wine glasses, "Don't Wine, Just Run" jackets, and magnets. Headed to EPCOT for W&D cheese and wine flights and food around the world - also got Day 1 passport stamps for AP 20 year Port Glass. Cut over to Osborne Lights opening night - crowds crazy but worth it. Back to dinner at Trattoria al Forno to carb up and then bed. Up early Saturday to do JJ5K - was a lot of fun, humid and lots of photo opportunities. Back to Epcot for more W&D and rides, Day 2 stamps for AP Port Glass and early pasta at Via Napoli. Headed to the WWoS via bus - took about 45 min. We hung out in grass for about 1.5 hours before heading to pre-corral staging. We hung out by fence and then the news that we had to head to shelter in the stadium due to lightning was announced. Found refuge in Jostens building down on edge of the main expo floor (as they were cleaning up the booths/boxes). After an hour, we were told we could head back to pre-corral staging area.

Getting back to the corrals was INSANE! People were cutting through self-made paths through the bushes and jumping the fences to get into their corrals. Heard the race was reduced in length via rD twitter message - news spread fast and was confirmed by announcement about 15 min later. Folks in C were disappointed but also glad to get to the W&D after party early and that the race was not canceled based on the radar feeds we were seeing surrounding the area. Race started just after 11pm. Was fun, hot, humid and although disappointed that we didn't do the complete half, was glad to be able to enjoy finish line party at about the time I had expected to finish half with the original start time. Received Coast to Coast and kicked off the Finish Line Party with the complimentary Chardonnay. Went for food around the world first to avoid lines and did rides after with no lines - that was just pure luck!!!

Headed back to AKL at 3:30am, slept for 5 hours and then back for Day 3 passport stamp and received AP Port glasses. We hit a few beer flights and food we had missed earlier that morning and then monorail to MK to ride our FP+ selections and gear up for last night's first very merry xmas party. Filled up on hot chocolate, cookies and photos with the 27,000 people in attendance - rain just after the fireworks cleared the park and delayed the second parade but that worked to our advantage for photos and rides. Finished the night with Jingle Cruise (was awesome spin on the classic ride) and then off to bed for 90 min so we could get up to catch our 6:05am flight back to CA.

Thanks for all the well wishes and your shared stories of training and run experiences - will sleep well tonight before ramping up training for our Dopey, Castaway, Rebel Challenge in just over 9 weeks!

 

[DOOM1001]

All three rides I rode,Soarin,Test Track and the Mexico boat ride were walk ons.I know people were all about trying some of the festivals food and drink items from the booths but all the waits looked like 30-45 minute waits,we only had a few hours in there and I didn't find waiting in those lines to be the best option,it also wasn't my first time at the festival this year.

 

[sperkins921]

We had no wait for mission space or test track. Didn't make it to soarin' which makes me sad, was hoping to see it one last time before they shut down for refurb....

 

[sperkins921]

Wow. I feel like a little old lady. Barely can keep my eyes open....

Hoping everyone makes it home safe!!

 

[Figment1990]

Since someone took the time to look up upcoming races for me, I'll throw this out there too- I found one that I might be able to do on nov 22 in Cleveland. But now I have no idea what to do about training or if that would even be possible. I did 12 miles or more two weeks before wine and dine. Then 7(?) at wine and dine. I'd have this weekend and then the following weekend would be the race. The only thing I can possibly figure is if I somehow get 10 in on Thursday (how on earth that would be possible for me when I can't do morning this week as I'm solo with DS and it gets dark so early) and then taper for 9 days. But is 10 even enough at this point? I don't think I could manage time for more than that. The 12 just seems like it was so long ago.

And I would really have to be on top of my game as this race has 3hour limit unless I want to start early with the walkers and people who think they won't finish in 3 hours (which I have to admit is an interesting concept and I feel like I have to call and verify).

So now I have to figure out if I should just move on as planned, or try to figure out how to squeeze this in (and it is NOT going to be easy since I have new carpet being installed on nov 20 and various appointments on the 21st).

My other thought is that I might go out and run 13.1 miles on my own this weekend on my favorite trail.

 

[escriven75]

I started following this thread about 3 wks ago after returning from this years Int'l F&W fest for my 40th bday. I convinced myself to take my 5k'ing to a new level next year and run the WD 1/2 (it is my excuse to go back again next year). But now I'm scared after reading about this year and also the weather last year sounded almost as bad. I guess i have until....what.....March to decide??? How quickly did this race fill up? When you all registered was it a classic case of Disney register THE MINUTE registration opens?? I don't wanna psych myself up and then totally forget to register in time. I'm glad you all got on here and posted your after race thoughts....it is helpful for those of us that have never done a Disney race before to decide if we should give it a try or not!!

 

[DOOM1001]

Wine and Dine is probably the most popular fastest to fill up race,so yeah you have to register the minute registration opens up.As far as the weather,November is usually one of the driest months in Orlando,the race has just gotten bad luck the past two years,at least this year the race only got a few sprinkles around 9:15-9:30 when a crazy wind blew through.The problem was the lightning in the area where apparently 15 miles away or so there was heavy rain,at least that's what I hear as my phone was getting no connection to look at the radar.It was unfortunate we couldn't get the full race in but I'm choosing to look at the positives,we didn't get wet,we still got to run the best part of the course and we still had a decent amount of time at the park afterwards even with the delay.

 

[DisneyFan13US]

As soon as you get off the resort bus at ESPN on the left is an ESPN merchandise store and for some reason they had several coast to coast shirts there in all sizes with no line to check out.

Thanks so much for the tip. We were able to run in, grab the shirt, and run out without having to fight the expo crowd.

 

[wilkeliza]

Home safe and sound. Pup back from his first trip to boarding and the older pup has finally calmed down from our arrival.

I had an amazing trip and a fun run. I got to do things on this run I never would have gotten to. I'm out of runDisney for 2016 because of my wedding but will be back for 2017, you know unless there is a surprise between September 2016 and November 2017 .

 

[flvy]

No babies just Disney races!! Haha!

All this did was light a fire to completely crush Tinkerbell. Though I'm still trying to pick between darkside and dealing with a travel agent for princess.

 

[Jjphilli]

I really appreciate the conversation on this thread, a lot of great and different points of view. A couple of my observations and suggestions as I was starting in Corral E:

• Corral jumping is a major issue as I passed some much higher numbers in the first mile. I also shouldn't be passing walkers before the first water station.
• The communication was not good and the organization getting back to the Corrals was also not good. Unless you wanted to climb through the jungle of trees, I had no idea how to get to the corral.
• I don't know how many people are normally on a 10k, but it probably isn't 14,000, the congestion was really bad throughout as a result of the shorter distance.
• Some have compared to the Rock N Roll Half and Full in Savannah the same day where they shortened the race for those at a slower pace, during the race. They also provided them with a voucher for another RnR race if their race was shortened. I am hoping that RD is paying attention as that is the right thing to do. Actually, I would be just as happy with a catchy T-shirt that says something like "The Inaugural Wine and Dine Half-Half Marathon."
• For future delays, they should consider just changing the pace requirement on the fly. Maybe instead of shortening the course for a 45 minute delay, minimum pace goes from 3:30 to 2:45 and if your pace is slower than that you go an alternate route or get picked up. I know it's not that easy and a change like that may be a logistics nightmare but for many, myself included, it was about the run as much as it was about the location.
• I really don't believe they shortened the race due to weather concerns (lightning can hit you in a 10k the same as it can in a half-marathon) but the weather delay caused concern for those in the later corrals that they may not finish until close to 4am, which would neither good nor enjoyable.
• Not a fan of the announcer. There should be some respect for those that are not just running to get to a party. Consider an announcer that has maybe run once or twice and can at least appreciate the mental aspects needed for the run.

Not meant to be a knock but I couldn't in good conscience where the medal since I didn't run the distance. It is a nice reminder of an interesting event but also a bit of a let down, personally. I was hoping to get some nice pictures the next day, me with my medal and my kid's with theirs from the Mickey Mile but we will hold off on that until the next race (January). I do feel bad for those running in their first half-marathon and as this was going to by my 5th, (ran my first just 13 months ago) I really urge you to stay on that horse and do a full 13.1 as soon as you can. There is another level of runner's high you will feel when you cross the finish line at that time. So like I said, nothing wrong with wearing the medals or the shirts since you ran the distance provided but don't stop there.

When they shortened the course it did take me a little while to adjust my mental approach to the run as initially I thought I would up my pace and get a great time on a shorter course. I was doing very well and then ran into Buzz and Woody which changed everything. I knew my son would love the picture so I stopped and switched over to..."enjoy it." According to Runtastic I spent about 5 minutes walking through the Osbourne Spectacle of Lights (going to miss that) and between characters I took the chance to work on form (1 AM was a really odd time for a training run though).

I still love the atmosphere at the RD events and will probably run the WnD again next year. It is all about a healthy lifestyle, keep moving and keep pushing yourself. You also never know where or when those positive endorphins will hit. So while the half didn't trigger it, my runner's high came earlier in the day when finishing the Mickey Mile with my 8 year old and 5 year old and realizing that we would not have been there to do that if I wasn't also going to be in the half.

So RD can certainly improve but thanks for the effort and an otherwise enjoyable weekend with the family. Now if I can just get my wife to like running I will be all set.

 

[Miranda]

Re: walkers before the first water station... They could have been doing Galloway. I walked several times before that station.

 

[Miranda]

I am actually less sure about doing another half soon than I was before. My last long run was 3 weeks ago (10/17) and the half I was going to do is 11/22. That is a long time between long runs. I might just pack it in until spring.

 

[MonkeyDishwasher]

Hey walk the entire thing if you'd like, but do it on the side- not in the middle of the road. Unfortunately, as already stated, the shorter distance meant there was less chance to spread out he crowds through the course which made everything feel super compacted in ay narrow path. Especially the Boardwalk area.

But super props to the girl with the "Half ?" sign! Totally my fave.

 

[Miranda]

Hey walk the entire thing if you'd like, but do it on the side- not in the middle of the road.

Sure but that wasn't what the poster was complaining about. They were just saying that people shouldn't have been walking at all.

 

[Dis_Yoda]

For people that don't believe it wasn't cut short because of weather concerns, here are the photos of the weather.

At 9:00PM:

At 9:35PM:

At 10:06PM:

The red cells were less than 10 miles away from the course. The wind was bad as well.

Living in Florida, you know that the weather can create a mind of its own and there is no real way of knowing how fast that is going to move away. In the morning, it wasn't even supposed to rain that evening! The same system that was hitting Disney caused tornados in Fort Myers earlier that day.

 

[Jjphilli]

Sure but that wasn't what the poster was complaining about. They were just saying that people shouldn't have been walking at all.

I have no problem with walkers. I guess I don't know how the run/walk method can result in a time below roughly 2:15, which was corral E and forward, but could be mistaken. I also passed a lot of bib numbers way higher than 4000, so it was more a comment on corral hopping. If you are walking though, please don't do it in the middle.

 

[Jjphilli]

For people that don't believe it wasn't cut short because of weather concerns, here are the photos of the weather.

At 9:00PM:
The red cells were less than 10 miles away from the course. The wind was bad as well.

Living in Florida, you know that the weather can create a mind of its own and there is no real way of knowing how fast that is going to move away. In the morning, it wasn't even supposed to rain that evening! The same system that was hitting Disney caused tornados in Fort Myers earlier that day.

I was looking at the same radar and the red cells were moving north. The rest of the radar doesn't look much different over the two hour period, just possibility of rain. So even though lightning was 10 miles away at 11, they determined it was safe to run, regardless of the distance.

I wasn't being critical of the decision to delay, that was for safety. I wasn't being critical of shortening the course either but the weather explanation for it doesn't make sense to me. If there was still lightning in the area they would not have let us go at all. To claim that there is lightning nearby so don't run as far just doesn't seem logical to me.

 

[flvy]

I have no problem with walkers. I guess I don't know how the run/walk method can result in a time below roughly 2:15, which was corral E and forward, but could be mistaken. I also passed a lot of bib numbers way higher than 4000, so it was more a comment on corral hopping. If you are walking though, please don't do it in the middle.

I have a friend that's working on qualifying for the Boston Marathon with a 9 min mile that does run/walk. So that method doesn't have to mean slow at all.

In my corrall everyone was running and passing at the sides (including me) and getting frustrated at the walkers on the sides. I even had to weave around walkers on my walk interval. It gets frustrating for sure, but should be expected in a race like this. The course was more compacted than normal which didn't help at all because it already has a few bottle necks.

ETA: another poster stated that some of the choice to cut out AK was due to the winds blowing leaves and sticks everywhere on an already darker course and they didn't have the time to clean it.

I think the choice to cut the course down wasn't just one reason. I think it was the weather, AK hazards, and honestly to be fair to all the runners. AK was a nice clean break off the course as well. Everyone deserved to get out there and run/jog/walk/whatever that course.