Will 150 point minimum be a problem at Disneyland Hotel DVC Tower?

[CaptainAmerica]

I was watching this week's DVC Show and had a thought. I know the conventional wisdom is that the new DVC tower will sell very quickly, and at a high price point, but does anyone else think they might have a hard time selling contracts with a 150 point minimum? At Walt Disney World resorts (and Aulani), 150 points is a natural floor because it roughly corresponds to one full week in a studio.

The problem I see with the DLH tower is that people don't go to Disneyland for whole weeks, they go for long weekends or individual Saturdays, staying 1 to 3 nights at a time. Disneyland won't even sell you longer than a 5 day theme park ticket. I can just envision 150 points being much more than what most families' usage patterns will require.

 

[aleh021]

Unless a studio is 30-50 points a night, then maybe not? As crazy as that sounds, I wouldn't rule it out.

 

[hhisc16]

I was watching this week's DVC Show and had a thought. I know the conventional wisdom is that the new DVC tower will sell very quickly, and at a high price point, but does anyone else think they might have a hard time selling contracts with a 150 point minimum? At Walt Disney World resorts (and Aulani), 150 points is a natural floor because it roughly corresponds to one full week in a studio.

The problem I see with the DLH tower is that people don't go to Disneyland for whole weeks, they go for long weekends or individual Saturdays, staying 1 to 3 nights at a time. Disneyland won't even sell you longer than a 5 day theme park ticket. I can just envision 150 points being much more than what most families' usage patterns will require.

Makes you wonder what the point chart might look like...

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Unless a studio is 30-50 points a night, then maybe not? As crazy as that sounds, I wouldn't rule it out.

Makes you wonder what the point chart might look like...

I know they're under no obligation to do so, but I'd be shocked if they didn't keep the points chart below Grand Cal. It's an objectively better resort.

 

[The Jackal]

They will keep it at 150, you’ll just go 2-3 times for 2-3 days. They just will get you to go more. That is what DVC does to you. Just remember that existing members will be able to buy as few as 25.

 

[kilik64]

They will keep it at 150, you’ll just go 2-3 times for 2-3 days. They just will get you to go more. That is what DVC does to you. Just remember that existing members will be able to buy as few as 25.

This. I think they will get a ton of add ons from current members along with all the new. Add on might even outpace new depending on the price point, 38k+ is a harder sell then say 25k if the min was 100. (assuming 255 per point, sure they will have incentives but those wont start until 200+)

 

[ScubaCat]

If you bank & borrow, you can spend the night in a studio

 

[Royal Consort]

I know they're under no obligation to do so, but I'd be shocked if they didn't keep the points chart below Grand Cal. It's an objectively better resort.

I agree for standard rooms. There's going to be a whole bunch of rooms with pretty unappealing views over residential Anaheim. However, I suspect rooms with a pool view/grounds view may indeed be priced higher than VGC.

 

[Brian Noble]

The problem I see with the DLH tower is that people don't go to Disneyland for whole weeks, they go for long weekends or individual Saturdays, staying 1 to 3 nights at a time

I'm thinking the market might be guests who do that multiple times in a year, but don't live quite close enough to make that a day trip.

(And in LA traffic, that radius might be smaller than most people think.)

 

[MagicalMommaOf2]

I originally thought that the 150 pt minimum was insane but I think like many other posters have stated above people will break their trips down and go more often. I mean more disney is never a bad thing, I am so curious though! that episode was interesting.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

The other issue is that the value of staying on site is much lower at DLR to begin with.
There’s at least 10 off site hotels fewer steps from the entrance to the parks than this will be.

Security is usually longer in the DTD side of the esplanade in the morning.

There’s limited early entry benefits (and still none right now) and there’s other ways to get EE.

And the price gap is *massive* on site vs off. BWPPI is a quarter mile closer than DLH and $200/night. You can’t close that price gap, especially if you’re being forced to buy more points than you want to, and you wind up with a decent bank. And there are very limited non-studio rooms to sink those points into.

 

[UrsulaWantsYourSoul]

The other issue is that the value of staying on site is much lower at DLR to begin with.
There’s at least 10 off site hotels fewer steps from the entrance to the parks than this will be.

Though more than a few of those... I wouldn't stay in them anymore. Too sketchy.

 

[RoseGold]

I know they're under no obligation to do so, but I'd be shocked if they didn't keep the points chart below Grand Cal. It's an objectively better resort.

BC is objectively better resort than many resorts with much higher charts. Point charts go one way. Demand is there, the chart will reflect it.

 

[Brian Noble]

The other issue is that the value of staying on site is much lower at DLR to begin with.
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And the price gap is *massive* on site vs off.

This reminds me of the Yogi Berra gag: "No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded."

The price gap is massive, and it's never been clear to me why it should be. But it's there and people pay it. I suspect the DLH product is targeted at people who are currently cash DLR hotel guests, not offiste guests who want an affordable way to stay in a Disney-owned hotel.

 

[bumbershoot]

The problem I see with the DLH tower is that people don't go to Disneyland for whole weeks, they go for long weekends or individual Saturdays, staying 1 to 3 nights at a time.

But that's not true at all. Or maybe I'm not "people" with my 8 day stay at PPH. And multiple week-long trips.

You buy an AP if you go multiple times or have a long stay and want to hit the parks each day.

Disney knows its people, and they are setting that minimum. There's a reason.

There’s at least 10 off site hotels fewer steps from the entrance to the parks than this will be.

Heck, the parking lot of hojo is closer to the center of the esplanade than the room we stayed in for my one and only stay at the Grand was.

 

[UrsulaWantsYourSoul]

But that's not true at all. Or maybe I'm not "people" with my 8 day stay at PPH. And multiple week-long trips.
You buy an AP if you go multiple times or have a long stay and want to hit the parks each day.
Disney knows its people, and they are setting that minimum. There's a reason.

You're totally people but yes - at least what I feel the majority of people on here say is 3-5 days at Land is plenty, so 2-4 nights. But even they could splurge for 1+ bedroom sometimes or of course use their points at other DVC properties.

Heck, the parking lot of hojo is closer to the center of the esplanade than the room we stayed in for my one and only stay at the Grand was.

I'd say that with Grand having an entrance directly into DCA that it can't get any closer than that but... it's a fair walk from the DVC wing to that entrance w/in the hotel. I keep hoping they will install a zipline from each VGC room directly into the Goofy Sky School line.

 

[upritbass]

You're totally people but yes - at least what I feel the majority of people on here say is 3-5 days at Land is plenty, so 2-4 nights.

We're 4-nighters because:
-- Don't like the Fri/Sat point rates
-- Sunday traffic from Las Vegas to LA is a NIGHTMARE!
Thus, arrive Monday, leave Friday by noon (to avoid the Friday LA to Las Vegas rush).

 

[UrsulaWantsYourSoul]

We're 4-nighters because:
-- Don't like the Fri/Sat point rates
-- Sunday traffic from Las Vegas to LA is a NIGHTMARE!
Thus, arrive Monday, leave Friday by noon (to avoid the Friday LA to Las Vegas rush).

I like the way you think! If I can avoid the expensive weekend points - all the better!

 

[DonMacGregor]

We're 4-nighters because:
-- Don't like the Fri/Sat point rates
-- Sunday traffic from Las Vegas to LA is a NIGHTMARE!
Thus, arrive Monday, leave Friday by noon (to avoid the Friday LA to Las Vegas rush).

What, you don't like taking 6 hours for a 3-1/2 hour drive? Jeez...LOL

 

[eileenkeeney]

I am guessing they will make the point cost higher than VGC, because they can, and likely do not care if folks prefer VGC, because both will likely end up fully booked. I have been really lucky in that anytime I have planned 7 months ahead, and gotten up early at the 7 month mark, I have been able to book VGC. However, I avoid peak times and studios. I have used my OKW points at VGC more than I have at OKW. I used to like some of the Harbor Blvd hotels, but either my tastes have gone up or their quality has gone down.