why do some people not wash their hands after changing a diaper?

same here. it's not quite as effective as scrubbing your hands together, but i'll wet my right hand, squirt soap onto it, and move my fingers all around to get the soap all over and then rinse. switch baby to other hip and repeat. i use this as a time to wash baby's hands as well.

i always find it funny/sad that every time i'm standing there doing this juggling act to clean up after changing a little pee diaper that someone always walks right out of the stall and out the door. i always look at them in the mirror. sometimes they're rushing out and looking down like no one will notice that they didnt wash their hands and sometimes they look at me like they're wondering what the heck i'm doing washing my hands while holding a baby. :confused3

I always find it funny/sad that others are so judgmental. That person going out may feel the faucets/door handle are too scummy to touch and is using a sanitizer once out of the bathroom environment. :confused3 The last person who touched those faucets had just wiped their hienies or their babe's butts.
 
I can change my sons diaper in about 30 seconds (45 sec for most #2's). No part of his skin touches the changing table except the back of his head. I don't wipe down the table (unless it is an obvious mess), or mess around with changing pads or completely undress my child. I cannot stand how long it takes people to change diapers (especially at Disney). You would think they have never changed one. This is a HUGE pet peeve of mine.

IF it is a #2 I usually take him out to my husband then return to wash my hands. If I am by myself, a quick hand wipe is all I can do because my son is a bolter.

We have a very clean home but are not germaphobes in any way. My son is the only one of 8 who doesn't get sick at his daycare. His provider is always commenting on it.
 
We always wash or sanitize, as well as put diaper in our own disposable plastic diaper bags, and then throw in trash. We also change our babes in our stroller seat, and not on public chairs, etc., as that isn't sanitary either.

Something that struck me as odd though - you posted about finding it gross and irresponsible that some parents don't wash their hands after changing a diaper, yet you let your ill child board a plane, possible infecting all of those other people on there as well? This is a bigger problem, than people not washing their hands after changing a diaper, IMHO.

Tiger
 
We always wash or sanitize, as well as put diaper in our own disposable plastic diaper bags, and then throw in trash. We also change our babes in our stroller seat, and not on public chairs, etc., as that isn't sanitary either.

Something that struck me as odd though - you posted about finding it gross and irresponsible that some parents don't wash their hands after changing a diaper, yet you let your ill child board a plane, possible infecting all of those other people on there as well? This is a bigger problem, than people not washing their hands after changing a diaper, IMHO.

Tiger

I was literally about to board the plane when my DD threw up. First of all, she was 9 months old and I was hoping it was some huge spit up or a freak one time thing. Secondly, what was I supposed to do?? Not get on the plane, stay in Florida and find a doctor there? Lose money, my husband would have missed work, etc... Don't be ridiculous!! I had to get on the plane! I realized by the time we got home that something was definitely wrong and the next day we had to bring her to the hospital because she was so weak. It was a horrible ending to a great trip. We're not talking about a playdate that I could have easily cancelled because my DD was potentially sick! Which I would do- by the way. And as long as I wash my hands after dealing with her diapers or vomit and everyone else washes their hands periodically, the possibility of getting sick is reduced.:mad: :mad:
 

LOL, I never pay any attention to other people's habits...Too busy dealing with my life. Somehow I doubt the virus came from an idividual who didn't wash up after a diaper change. Statistically speaking I don't think that is the most common way tummy bugs are spread...

Actually, fecal germs cause serious illness- and I'm not talking about just a stomach virus. :snooty:
 
I was literally about to board the plane when my DD threw up. First of all, she was 9 months old and I was hoping it was some huge spit up or a freak one time thing. Secondly, what was I supposed to do?? Not get on the plane, stay in Florida and find a doctor there? Lose money, my husband would have missed work, etc... Don't be ridiculous!! I had to get on the plane! I realized by the time we got home that something was definitely wrong and the next day we had to bring her to the hospital because she was so weak. It was a horrible ending to a great trip. We're not talking about a playdate that I could have easily cancelled because my DD was potentially sick! Which I would do- by the way. And as long as I wash my hands after dealing with her diapers or vomit and everyone else washes their hands periodically, the possibility of getting sick is reduced.:mad: :mad:

I don't want to get into an argument with you, as you did what you thought was best for your own situation, but, by not worrying about those other people, some of which were other babies, it's basically a way for you to conveniently justify your unsafe actions. You want everyone who changes their children's diapers to wash up so as not to pass germs on to you and your family, yet, you feel it's ok to board a plane with an obviously ill child?

Germs are germs, but in your case, because those germs would have cost you money (I notice you didn't say anything about how sick your child could have made the rest of the plane), you chose to ignore them. Those germs would have put you out - lost time, lost money, etc., and so for those reasons (and I suspect those were the main reasons), you chose to potentially infect an entire plane of people. Hmmm? Perhaps the people who are changing their child's diapers are on their way to a show, or, on their way to board a plane, and don't want to be late? They may in fact be using the same justifications for their irresponsible behaviour as you have in your response above.

You really have no business discussing the bad sanitation habits of others, when you allowed your obviously ill child to board a plane. Your first instinct was your loss of time and loss of money - what about the people on the plane who more than likely may have caught a virus from your daughter, and they are now out time and money from missing work? And before you think that I can't possibly understand, I do.

My 22 month old daughter became so ill at WDW that she almost died - she had a top to bottom physical and passed all tests with flying colours here at home, yet within a week, she had caught strep throat, rotavirus (which is spread by fecal route - so you are right about needing to wash hands after diaper changes), severe acidosis and severe dehydration while at WDW. The specialists from Arnold Palmer Children's Hospital were phenomenal and based on incubations and battery of tests run, along with consult with our doc, they are certain that she caught everything at WDW. By the way, March is peak season for strep throat in Orlando. Although WDW keeps them in business, they told us that it is a veritable playground of nasty germs and they are saddened to see so many ill children each day. We are beyond vigilant about healthy hygiene, by the way, but someone must have sneezed on her, or, we missed a wipe down of a handrail. The docs were most impressed at our personal hygiene habits because neither my hubby, nor I, caught any of it. Needless to say, we didn't take the first clinic doc's advice and go enjoy the parks - we stayed holed up in our room at Wilderness Lodge for days, not coming into contact with anyone else so as not to make anyone else sick. Good thing we did, as several days later, because he missed several illnesses, we were in emerg and hospitalized for 2 days. We drove, and will drive to WDW from now on (20+ hr drive), as we realized that we couldn't have gotten on a plane as our daughter was highly contagious (we were quarantined in Orlando). Our resort was floored when we called to report her contagious illness and ask for a room sanitize - they said they wish more guests would do so, but they don't.

Bottom line, we thought of everyone else as just as important as our child so that we wouldn't make anyone else sick - we wish the parents who let their sick children roam around WDW who made our baby sick, would have done the same, but as you mentioned, loss of money and vacation time seem to be more important than letting children get well. By the way, it cost us money too as we were days late in returning to work (banker & teacher), and had to keep our daughter home from school for a week afterwards. We also have proper medical & travel insurance, and this helped as well. If you have those things (not sure if you do), then finding a doctor (by the way, they have airport docs/nurses) wouldn't have been a problem either.

People need to really start being more altruistic and stop using convenient ethics to justify their own unsafe or bad behaviours. I totally understand that you were caught off guard, as we were, but your ill child was just as harmful to others as the potential spread of germs from not washing hands after a diaper change.

Tiger :(
 
Actually, fecal germs cause serious illness- and I'm not talking about just a stomach virus. :snooty:

yeah...and there are a million more germs in the air, etc.:snooty: rbay...Those would be the ones you forced all of the other airplane folk to deal with when you took a sick child on it. I guess it is all in how you look at those judgmental statements.
 
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I never "wash" my hands in public restrooms - I always use a hand sanitizer I carry with me AFTER I go out the door. So lots of people probably see me come out of the stall and leave, and think - she didn't wash her hands! But I don't see the point, then touching the nasty door!
 
I never "wash" my hands in public restrooms - I always use a hand sanitizer I carry with me AFTER I go out the door. So lots of people probably see me come out of the stall and leave, and think - she didn't wash her hands! But I don't see the point, then touching the nasty door!


Why would you touch the doorknob with your clean hands? Use a fresh paper towel to open door, and then discard it outside of the washroom.:thumbsup2

Tiger
 
IF it is a #2 I usually take him out to my husband then return to wash my hands. If I am by myself, a quick hand wipe is all I can do because my son is a bolter.

I don't know why, but the phrase "my son is a bolter" cracked me up! Thanks for the smile! :rotfl:
 
Why would you touch the doorknob with your clean hands? Use a fresh paper towel to open door, and then discard it outside of the washroom.:thumbsup2

Tiger

Actually, I do this sometimes, but a lot of restrooms don't have paper towels now, just those blow driers. Plus, I end up carrying around a paper towel because all the garbage cans are inside near the sinks! :confused3
 
Actually, I do this sometimes, but a lot of restrooms don't have paper towels now, just those blow driers. Plus, I end up carrying around a paper towel because all the garbage cans are inside near the sinks! :confused3

Oh, I forgot about washrooms without paper towels, as I don't encounter these too often. I have used my shirt sleeve to cover my hands, or, brought in a napkin or wipe to use on doorhandle if I know there are no paper towels available. In regards to carrying around paper towels, there are usually garbage cans near outside of washrooms or near phones, which are coincidentally, usually located near washrooms as well. :thumbsup2

Tiger
 
If not at home and no sink is available, I use a wipee and sanitizer.

And I am so afraid of the germs on public changing tables that I'd rather take them back to the car, or on occasion change them in their stroller (like another poster said) then use those infested changing tables. I always put a disposable changing pad down on the stroller before a changing. Had to change DD in stroller at Toontown. The changing tables were soiled and she HAD to be changed immediately. So I took her to a private corner and did it. Job done.

And I always use a paper towel to open the door when leaving a bathroom. If no towels are available, then I open the door with the hook of one finger, then use a wipee and sanitizer when I get out. More often then not, there is no garbage can by the door to collect the paper towels used to open the door. So flame me now, because I throw the towel on the floor. Usually there is a pile of discarded towels near the door, you'd think management would get the hint and put a trash bin there.
 
I don't know why, but the phrase "my son is a bolter" cracked me up! Thanks for the smile! :rotfl:

It's even funnier if you read it too fast and it comes out, "my son is a Bolton."

What? Like Michael Bolton? Oh... not what is actually on the screen...:rotfl2:
 
I don't want to get into an argument with you, as you did what you thought was best for your own situation, but, by not worrying about those other people, some of which were other babies, it's basically a way for you to conveniently justify your unsafe actions. You want everyone who changes their children's diapers to wash up so as not to pass germs on to you and your family, yet, you feel it's ok to board a plane with an obviously ill child?

Germs are germs, but in your case, because those germs would have cost you money (I notice you didn't say anything about how sick your child could have made the rest of the plane), you chose to ignore them. Those germs would have put you out - lost time, lost money, etc., and so for those reasons (and I suspect those were the main reasons), you chose to potentially infect an entire plane of people. Hmmm? Perhaps the people who are changing their child's diapers are on their way to a show, or, on their way to board a plane, and don't want to be late? They may in fact be using the same justifications for their irresponsible behaviour as you have in your response above.

You really have no business discussing the bad sanitation habits of others, when you allowed your obviously ill child to board a plane. Your first instinct was your loss of time and loss of money - what about the people on the plane who more than likely may have caught a virus from your daughter, and they are now out time and money from missing work? And before you think that I can't possibly understand, I do.

My 22 month old daughter became so ill at WDW that she almost died - she had a top to bottom physical and passed all tests with flying colours here at home, yet within a week, she had caught strep throat, rotavirus (which is spread by fecal route - so you are right about needing to wash hands after diaper changes), severe acidosis and severe dehydration while at WDW. The specialists from Arnold Palmer Children's Hospital were phenomenal and based on incubations and battery of tests run, along with consult with our doc, they are certain that she caught everything at WDW. By the way, March is peak season for strep throat in Orlando. Although WDW keeps them in business, they told us that it is a veritable playground of nasty germs and they are saddened to see so many ill children each day. We are beyond vigilant about healthy hygiene, by the way, but someone must have sneezed on her, or, we missed a wipe down of a handrail. The docs were most impressed at our personal hygiene habits because neither my hubby, nor I, caught any of it. Needless to say, we didn't take the first clinic doc's advice and go enjoy the parks - we stayed holed up in our room at Wilderness Lodge for days, not coming into contact with anyone else so as not to make anyone else sick. Good thing we did, as several days later, because he missed several illnesses, we were in emerg and hospitalized for 2 days. We drove, and will drive to WDW from now on (20+ hr drive), as we realized that we couldn't have gotten on a plane as our daughter was highly contagious (we were quarantined in Orlando). Our resort was floored when we called to report her contagious illness and ask for a room sanitize - they said they wish more guests would do so, but they don't.

Bottom line, we thought of everyone else as just as important as our child so that we wouldn't make anyone else sick - we wish the parents who let their sick children roam around WDW who made our baby sick, would have done the same, but as you mentioned, loss of money and vacation time seem to be more important than letting children get well. By the way, it cost us money too as we were days late in returning to work (banker & teacher), and had to keep our daughter home from school for a week afterwards. We also have proper medical & travel insurance, and this helped as well. If you have those things (not sure if you do), then finding a doctor (by the way, they have airport docs/nurses) wouldn't have been a problem either.

People need to really start being more altruistic and stop using convenient ethics to justify their own unsafe or bad behaviours. I totally understand that you were caught off guard, as we were, but your ill child was just as harmful to others as the potential spread of germs from not washing hands after a diaper change.

Tiger :(

I did not want to get into an arguement either, that's why I hesitated to present this topic. It was just something I wanted to get off of my chest that bothers me. After all this being said back and forth, no one can deny that hand washing (or at the least purell use) is mandatory! It can prevent some germs from being spread. No one knows exactly how my DD got sick- or yours for that matter. We never will. All we can do is -do our best to be as careful as possible and hope others do the same.

It seems like you were sure that your daughter was very ill while still on vacation? If that was my situation- I'm sure I would have done things differently and contacted a local doctor and acted accordingly. In my situation, however, I truly didn't know what was wrong with my DD. She seemed fine except for the isolated vomit incident. It could have been food poisoning or something not contagious. So, right back at you. You're being just as judgemental as I was I guess. If my DD got sick several days before departure and I knew what she had- I'm sure things would be different.
 
well, reading this on a few websites would/should change your mind about Purell use.

"The recommendation of the CDC is that recurrent use of alcohol based gel hand sanitizers is not recommended without adequate hand washing between uses. The reason for this is that gels leave a biofilm on skin surfaces that trap dirt and potentially pathogenic organisms. Effectiveness decreases with added use and alcohol based products are ineffective with the third use without washing your hands.

Since Purell and other alcohol gel products have no residual germ killing protection, you will pick potentially pathogenic organisms as soon as the alcohol dries. For some protection, alcohol based hand sanitizer need to be used every 5 minutes when in a dirty environment. Remember, studies have shown that with the third use, alcohol gel based products without a hand wash with soap and water are ineffective in killing re-colonized germs. Soil also inactivates the effects of alcohol.

Purell will not work in the presence organic soil (dirt or grease). This is why they tell you to wash your hands often. "

Organic soil ...... would that include fecal matter and/or urine??

Also Purell is strong enough to break up floor wax and you use this on your hands and your kids??

Try this article on it........

" Last month Barbara Almanza, Ph.D., R.D., professor and food-service sanitation expert at Purdue University, announced that hand sanitizers "do not significantly reduce the overall amount of bacteria on the hands, and in some cases they may even increase it." Not a very reassuring thought for people who use sanitizers to avoid passing germs. If Almanza is right, we could be passing more bacteria, not less."

"The study found that the use of sanitizers actually resulted in a significant increase in bacteria on the hands -- more than double the original amount. Purell's product increased the load of bacteria by a whopping 156.7 percent."

"Despite such findings, manufacturers of alcohol-based hand sanitizers advertise their products as almost 100 percent effective at eliminating bacteria. Purell's website claims, "Purell kills 99.99% of most common germs that may cause illness. It's used on hands without soap, water or towels, leaving them feeling refreshed and soft." It is true that alcohol is effective in killing germs on contact. But according to the General Mills study, tests used to determine the germ-killing potential of gel sanitizers are done on nonporous surfaces. The 99.99 percent rating is applicable only when sanitizer gels are tested on inanimate (nonporous) surfaces, like a countertop, rather than on human hands. Even a Purell-sponsored study done last year concluded that sanitizers should be supplemented by hand washing after three to five consecutive uses."
 
I don't believe in hand sanitizers because other than the manufacturer, no one who studies these products actually believes they work. It's a scam to make you feel like you're being responsible but you're really not. Most people believe that hand sanitizers take the place of washing, when they should actually be used in conjunction with washing. Even studies of washing hands have shown that you need to wash your hands for 2-3 minutes, using a rubbing motion and hot water. Let's face it -- how many of us spend 2-3 minutes washing and rubbing and how many places have you been to that actually have hot water!? :rotfl: Anyway, I guess this makes me a hypocrit because I won't use hand sanitizers and also don't wash for 2-3 minutes each time. :laughing:
 
After 2 trips with a baby, I've learned to carry my sanitizer and pass the baby off to my DH when I'm done changing him. THEN I go back into the bathroom to wash my hands...or in several instances, go to the bathroom myself and wash my hands again.
 
OK..A differnt twist. How many of you wash your hands BEFORE you change your child's diaper?

I always did with DS that was premature and almost always do with DGB. Had our doctor tell us years ago that was an important step many parents forget.


yes , i do wash after the change but often with a now 16 month old ,that is a wipe or sanitizer too.
 
OK..A differnt twist. How many of you wash your hands BEFORE you change your child's diaper?

I always did with DS that was premature and almost always do with DGB. Had our doctor tell us years ago that was an important step many parents forget.


yes , i do wash after the change but often with a now 16 month old ,that is a wipe or sanitizer too.

Does running your hands under water count. I don't use wipes at home but use washable clothes so I have to wet a new one each change. ;)
 














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