Why do I always underestimate... (a long vent)

Just a small example of one of the less painful things my mother has said to me: "I think your father would have stuck around if you would have been a boy." (I was the third daughter, he left when I was 8 months old)

She was dead serious and told me that her saying that shouldn't hurt me...it's just a sign of how shallow he was. Thanks, that makes me feel so much better.
 
luvdzne said:
I started a new thread so we didn't keep hijacking the op's thread. Please feel free to join me. :wave:
Becky is the last person to mind someone going OT in her thread! :lmao:

I always get a funny card, usually a Snoopy one.

One year, when dear old mom wasn't speaking to half the family, I gave her a mushy card about how kind and supportive she was. I did it out of spite. It was wrong, I know. But I was young and still cared.

Becky, after time goes by (at least for me) it stops bothering you because you give up and don't care anymore. This is better than it sounds. :) For me, it wasn't any ONE moment where I said, "That's it, I'm done with this crapola." It was a gradual thing. Good luck tomorrow.
 
I can totally relate to the OP. My mom was exactly like that, she'd spew venom out of her mouth one minute and then sweetness the next. I'm thinking that she did indeed have some sort of disorder, but never diagnosed.

She would constantly cut me down and tell me everything I ever did in my life was wrong, or not good enough, etc. However, because he was "my mother" I felt like I could not just disown her, just because I felt that was not the right thing to do. After all she was my mother. She raised me and cared for me, and despite her verbal abuse, I know she only wanted the best for me and my family. It was very difficult though living with the "how is mom going to be today" syndrome. And like another poster said, you spend your life trying to "fix" the situation, even though you KNOW you can never fix it.

My mom passed away in 2004, the last year of her life she was very sick, and since my dad had passed a few years before, I was in charge of her care. She seemed to mellow when she got sick and I felt like some emotional healing took place in my life as far as my feelings to her were concered. I believe she was truely grateful for the care I gave her, and I was happy to be there for her.

I do miss her "good" qualities, which she did have, she was very loving and kind to my kids and they loved her to death, for one. She was also a very upbeat and happy person when she wasn't in one of her "moods". However, as I say this, I can feel the guilt wheling up, I do feel very liberated and free now that she is no longer here. I feel like for the first time I can live my life the way I choose, without fear of condemnation. IT IS TRUELY LIBERATING!! I'm just glad that there was some healing that did take place before she died.

You have to deal with your mother the best way for you and your family. If you don't want to cut ties completely, then don't. But also know that she will probably be the way she is till the day she dies, and you need to find a way to live with/and accept it.

And having a mother like yours myself and being able to relate.... I don't think she is just upset because you only called her 2 days before mothers day.... and I don't think it is wrong of you to ask her to watch your dog.
 
I'm not sure about your mom but I know that my mother is Sanity-Challenged. It took a long time for me to realize this. My friends had told me, my father had told me (once). But for some reason it didn't sink in.

The problem wasn't with me and my mother...it was with my mother. I tried to think, "This is how God made her, I have to remember not to hold it against her." But it didn't help much when she was raving. I was like, "I don't care if she's crazy, this is mean (or awful, or whatever)."

Eventually I quit hating her or feeling sorry for her. If she happens to be pleasant, fine. If she doesn't, fine. If she calls up to yell and scream I hang up.

She once stopped talking to me for three months. At first, I was ticked and angry for the childish game. Then I got used to it. It turned out to be the best three months of my life. Then one day she starts talking to me again, like she'd never flipped out in the first place. (Just as I was enjoying life without a crazy person in it! Dang.)
 

MouseWorshipin said:
Becky is the last person to mind someone going OT in her thread! :lmao:

I just thought I was going OT and didn't want to hijack her thread with my rambling on. :teeth:

Mercy, I know what you mean about feeling relief now that she is gone. I often times have felt that it would be a relief. Not only to me but to her. It is a sad thing for us to go through, but I can only imagine how unhappy her life is.
 
Again, you have no idea what it's like to have my mother, or one like her.

Really? Don't assume anything. I didn't give details because I didn't want this to turn into a "my mother is worse than your mother" contest. I can guarantee that my mother would win that competition.

I could tell you stories about my mother that would make you cringe. Let's just say that I am very lucky to be alive, as is one of my younger sisters. She hated us because of her choices and she made sure we paid for it. She was a miserable alcoholic who was physically, verbally, and emotionally abusive. She took partiular pleasure in waking me at 3:00 a.m. just to administer a beating while berating me for whatever offense she thought I had committed. She was combative with everyone. She would verbally attack anyone for any reason--usually some imagined slight. She went to a political dinner with an aunt and got into an argument with the Mayor because she didn't like something he said. My aunt was humiliated and didn't speak to my mother for years. When I was very young, she physically attacked a neighbor because the woman was humming. My mother was placed in a mental institution, which would have probably done her some good had she stayed, but she checked herself out after a few days. She never got the treatment she so desperately needed.

And you could not possibly know, unless you have been there, how hard that really is to do.

Even after everything my mother did to me, I could never completely break the ties with her. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's just because she was my Mom. Maybe a part of me remembered back to when she wasn't quite so insane. I took many breaks from her, but I could never completely break the ties. No matter how badly she treated me, it would never occur to me to slight her on Mother's Day. I just couldn't. Even when I was taking a break from her, I'd call and send a card.

I did enter therapy and realized that our relationship was what it was. She was not going to be warm and fuzzy Mommy, no matter how bad I wanted it.
The result of getting help for myself was that (after many months) I learned that I didn't have to fear her any more. She could nothing to hurt me--unless I allowed it. I then was able to look at things from her point of view and realized that she was in a LOT of pain. She was sad, lonely, and very scared. Not that it was an excuse for her actions--there is no excuse--but I could better understand why she might have done some of the things she did. I took pity on her. Our relationship got a bit better. We were never going to be close friends and I was o.k. with that.

She's gone now, she died at age 56. She's finally at peace and no longer able to lash out at anyone in pain and anger. My last words to her were "I love you, Mom." Her's to me were "I love you too. And, thank you." She went into a coma and died a week later.

So, yeah. I've been in your shoes--and worse. And, I stand by my original advice to look at things from your mother's point of view for this one instance.
 
inaminute said:
Really? Don't assume anything. I didn't give details because I didn't want this to turn into a "my mother is worse than your mother" contest. I can guarantee that my mother would win that competition.

I could tell you stories about my mother that would make you cringe. Let's just say that I am very lucky to be alive, as is one of my younger sisters. She hated us because of her choices and she made sure we paid for it. She was a miserable alcoholic who was physically, verbally, and emotionally abusive. She took partiular pleasure in waking me at 3:00 a.m. just to administer a beating while berating me for whatever offense she thought I had committed. She was combative with everyone. She would verbally attack anyone for any reason--usually some imagined slight. She went to a political dinner with an aunt and got into an argument with the Mayor because she didn't like something he said. My aunt was humiliated and didn't speak to my mother for years. When I was very young, she physically attacked a neighbor because the woman was humming. My mother was placed in a mental institution, which would have probably done her some good had she stayed, but she checked herself out after a few days. She never got the treatment she so desperately needed.



Even after everything my mother did to me, I could never completely break the ties with her. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's just because she was my Mom. Maybe a part of me remembered back to when she wasn't quite so insane. I took many breaks from her, but I could never completely break the ties. No matter how badly she treated me, it would never occur to me to slight her on Mother's Day. I just couldn't. Even when I was taking a break from her, I'd call and send a card.

I did enter therapy and realized that our relationship was what it was. She was not going to be warm and fuzzy Mommy, no matter how bad I wanted it.
The result of getting help for myself was that (after many months) I learned that I didn't have to fear her any more. She could nothing to hurt me--unless I allowed it. I then was able to look at things from her point of view and realized that she was in a LOT of pain. She was sad, lonely, and very scared. Not that it was an excuse for her actions--there is no excuse--but I could better understand why she might have done some of the things she did. I took pity on her. Our relationship got a bit better. We were never going to be close friends and I was o.k. with that.

She's gone now, she died at age 56. She's finally at peace and no longer able to lash out at anyone in pain and anger. My last words to her were "I love you, Mom." Her's to me were "I love you too. And, thank you." She went into a coma and died a week later.

So, yeah. I've been in your shoes--and worse. And, I stand by my original advice to look at things from your mother's point of view for this one instance.
:grouphug:
 
Cheryl,
You are a good person
As I am sure you know, you will always be glad that you made peace
with your mom.
 
Working with a lot of older women, i could never complain about how my mother behaved (God forbid - never speak ill of your mother!) i always say that mothers are just like anyone else - they can be sweet, nice, kind and caring, but they can also be murderers. Just because you're a mother, doesn't make you a saint.
 
Cheryl, I'm sorry you have had to go through that, and maybe you're just a better person than I am. All I know is that I cannot continue to live through this for the rest of my life, and I don't WANT to.

My point, though, is still that I'm not being a bratty child and refusing to look at things from her point of view. I acknowledged that maybe she is hurt- but you know what? I'm ok with that. She sure never minds when she hurts my feelings and then pretends like nothing ever happened. I am tired of the manipulation. And if she didn't want to watch my dog, you can be sure she'd tell me where to stick it.

The tone of your previous post just sounded like you were assuming I'm a spoiled brat who uses her mother and doesn't care about her feelings, when in fact, nothing could be further from the truth. I love my mom. I'm mourning the mom she COULD be, when she wants to be. It's a struggle. I wish I could write her off and never speak to her again. It seems like it would be easier, but I just doubt I could do it. I can't imagine her not being able to be a grandmother to my kids. But I also can't imagine putting up with this behavior for that long.

And my mom is now going camping to spite my sister (whom she hasn't spoken to since Easter) and I and to make the point that she doesn't want to spend Mother's Day with 2 of her 3 children. ANd that's ok. We're good kids. We didn't do anything wrong.
 
This sounds exactly like my grandparents!!!! It makes me mad because my mom does EVERYTHING for them (FYI< I am grown and my mom is in her 50s) and they appreciate NOTHING!!!!! She lives 45 min. away and has a business, they expect her to drop everything and come running everytime they ask!! ANYWAY, I fully understand. I do dot know why some people are like that. BUCKLE UP WE'RE GOING A GUILT TRIP!!!!!!! :confused3
 
kimkarli said:
BUCKLE UP WE'RE GOING A GUILT TRIP!!!!!!! :confused3

I think most of us here have been on that vacation!! :lmao:

Personally, I prefer Walt Disney World!! :teeth:
 
Mercy said:
You have to deal with your mother the best way for you and your family. If you don't want to cut ties completely, then don't. But also know that she will probably be the way she is till the day she dies, and you need to find a way to live with/and accept it.

And having a mother like yours myself and being able to relate.... I don't think she is just upset because you only called her 2 days before mothers day.... and I don't think it is wrong of you to ask her to watch your dog.

Thanks Mercy! :grouphug:

I know I have some work to do at accepting the way she is: otherwise I wouldn't be uspet every single time she does something like this.

It's comforting to know that I'm not the only one that has gone through it, too. Many people think it's horrible that I would even consider cutting ties because she's my mom; but, it's a self-preservation thing.

Learning how to not accept the guilt and take on her anger have done wonders for me. Now I just have to learn to to accept her as she is, and that seems to me like a harder lesson.
 
Quote from Bckmrk04: my mother has gotten progressively more moody, irrational, and downright obnoxious. She lies and exaggerates about everything. She is a drama queen AND a hypochondriac. She's mad at pretty much everyone in the family. For stupid things. Everyone is out to get her (including the bill companies who ONLY screw up her accounts,yeah right...) EVERYTHING hurts her feelings, and she sulks and complains, and completely chooses to ignore the fact that maybe everyone else isn't the problem. Maybe it's HER.

I think your mom and mine are long lost twins! My mom is 71 yrs old and she has gotten just terrible over the past couple of years.Like your mom she lies,she's sneaky,instigates trouble between my sisters and me.It just seems like she wants to make us as miserable and unhappy as she can before she dies.
She told us the other day she expects a Mothers Day card.I flatly refuse to buy a card saying what a great mom and how much I love her.She's not and I don't.So I bought her a card from her cat that she loves very much.
We invite her everywhere we go (Disney included) and she always has one excuse or another why she won't go.
She complains,whines,B****es and moans about every single thing!
Me wish her a 'Happy' mothers day??? I think not.....
Debbie
 
debden said:
I think your mom and mine are long lost twins! My mom is 71 yrs old and she has gotten just terrible over the past couple of years.Like your mom she lies,she's sneaky,instigates trouble between my sisters and me.It just seems like she wants to make us as miserable and unhappy as she can before she dies.
She told us the other day she expects a Mothers Day card.I flatly refuse to buy a card saying what a great mom and how much I love her.She's not and I don't.So I bought her a card from her cat that she loves very much.
We invite her everywhere we go (Disney included) and she always has one excuse or another why she won't go.
She complains,whines,B****es and moans about every single thing!
Me wish her a 'Happy' mothers day??? I think not.....
Debbie

Well, I don't know about twins, since my mom is only 45, but maybe related! ;)

And I think my mom is trying to make everyone around her as unhappy as she is, and it's sad. She fights with people, and makes up stories, and then tries to pit people against each other (including me and my sis). She wants everyone to be on her side. But, that's just not going to happen anymore, and she's mad at all of us (my aunt, my grandma, me, my sis). The only thing she's proving is how very lonely she is going to make herself, because we're all tired of it.
 
beckmrk04 said:
Well, I don't know about twins, since my mom is only 45, but maybe related! ;)

And I think my mom is trying to make everyone around her as unhappy as she is, and it's sad. She fights with people, and makes up stories, and then tries to pit people against each other (including me and my sis). She wants everyone to be on her side. But, that's just not going to happen anymore, and she's mad at all of us (my aunt, my grandma, me, my sis). The only thing she's proving is how very lonely she is going to make herself, because we're all tired of it.

Exactly! It's a very frustrating and stressful situation.Every time I ask her a question she barks at me instead of answering me in a normal tone.
I've bent over backwards and now I'm through with trying to deal with her.
We were never close and with her acting this way it just pushes us further apart.
Very sad.
Debbie
 
I wanted to thank all of you for sharing your stories. I have sat here and cried through most of this thread. I thought I was alone and now I find out that others of you have suffered through this. I've stopped talking to my mom and I can't believe what a difference it has made in my life. Bless you all.
 
inaminute said:
Really? Don't assume anything. I didn't give details because I didn't want this to turn into a "my mother is worse than your mother" contest. I can guarantee that my mother would win that competition.

I could tell you stories about my mother that would make you cringe. Let's just say that I am very lucky to be alive, as is one of my younger sisters. She hated us because of her choices and she made sure we paid for it. She was a miserable alcoholic who was physically, verbally, and emotionally abusive. She took partiular pleasure in waking me at 3:00 a.m. just to administer a beating while berating me for whatever offense she thought I had committed. She was combative with everyone. She would verbally attack anyone for any reason--usually some imagined slight. She went to a political dinner with an aunt and got into an argument with the Mayor because she didn't like something he said. My aunt was humiliated and didn't speak to my mother for years. When I was very young, she physically attacked a neighbor because the woman was humming. My mother was placed in a mental institution, which would have probably done her some good had she stayed, but she checked herself out after a few days. She never got the treatment she so desperately needed.



Even after everything my mother did to me, I could never completely break the ties with her. I'm not sure why. Maybe it's just because she was my Mom. Maybe a part of me remembered back to when she wasn't quite so insane. I took many breaks from her, but I could never completely break the ties. No matter how badly she treated me, it would never occur to me to slight her on Mother's Day. I just couldn't. Even when I was taking a break from her, I'd call and send a card.

I did enter therapy and realized that our relationship was what it was. She was not going to be warm and fuzzy Mommy, no matter how bad I wanted it.
The result of getting help for myself was that (after many months) I learned that I didn't have to fear her any more. She could nothing to hurt me--unless I allowed it. I then was able to look at things from her point of view and realized that she was in a LOT of pain. She was sad, lonely, and very scared. Not that it was an excuse for her actions--there is no excuse--but I could better understand why she might have done some of the things she did. I took pity on her. Our relationship got a bit better. We were never going to be close friends and I was o.k. with that.

She's gone now, she died at age 56. She's finally at peace and no longer able to lash out at anyone in pain and anger. My last words to her were "I love you, Mom." Her's to me were "I love you too. And, thank you." She went into a coma and died a week later.

So, yeah. I've been in your shoes--and worse. And, I stand by my original advice to look at things from your mother's point of view for this one instance.


This is another post that needs to be read once again! What a great post!
 
Ok at first I was just going to suggest menopause as a cause, but then I read all the posts. I am so sorry that this is your relationship with your mom's, ALL of you. I have no suggestions to help. Just wanted to say I'm sorry things are the way they are. And accepting that they will not change does go a long way to minimizing the hurt. ( Something I've found from other situations. I'm lucky in the Mom area - not appropriate to go on about it here in the midst of all this hurt )

:grouphug:
 
I was just going to suggest menopause

You know, I think that in some cases, especially when it's a recent change, menopause could definitely be a factor. Raging hormones the second time around is NOT fun.
 

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