Why are girls like this?

KerriMc

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I have a 9 (very close to 10) and 7 year old daughters. My older daughter is a very sensitive kid, whereas the 7 year old is a little tougher in that respect.

Both girls are on the same hockey team as we combine our novice and atom players due to not having enough of either age group. Therefore we have about half of them at 7 or 8 and the other half at 9 and 10. My oldest generally gets along with everyone, she isn't a popular kid, but she is a nice girl. The coach's daughter, who is a real leader and a somewhat bold child, has lately taken it upon herself to make some unkind comments or to just act snotty to my kids. She routinely leaves my 7 year old out and then as soon as anything is said by my 7 year old, she becomes all syrupy sweet and acts like the hero for suddenly including her, yet she was the ring leader to begin with. I am friends with the parents, but they don't seem to see that she can do anything wrong.

My oldest also plays basketball with the same girl. She makes no bones about it that their team will be SO much better next year when they move up and play with some of the girls from the team last year. A few of the girls are completely new to the game, so of course they don't have the same skill level, but you don't need to make them feel badly that they are there. Without them you wouldn't even have a team! She never passes the ball to my daughter, even when in the open, or to many of the new girls that aren't quite as skilled at the game. This has started to really hurt my daughter's feelings. She is sensitive, but never really says a lot about it, but the last couple of nights has really opened up about it, so I know it is bothering her a lot.

I don't get it. I have nice kids - my youngest can be a monkey and walks to the beat of her own drum, so sometimes I get the social conflict with her, but with my oldest I just don't understand it. Why do they have to get so catty with each other? Why do they pick a certain kid to always make feel bad when you've been nice to her before? I have tried helping her understand, but honestly I'm as confused as she is!! Like I said, the parents don't see it and I don't want to run and be a ******* She used to play with my daughter, along with her younger sister playing with my youngest, and they used to get along fine. I do know from talking with her mom, that she is always telling her mom about how other kids do things to her or say mean things, or that she doesn't want to play with so and so because of this or that, and I'm thinking that should maybe raise some clue that maybe every single other kid doesn't have the problem or the issue. I just dont' get it.

I feel helpless and it is hurting my heart as much as it is hurting hers!! Please give me some advice on what I say to her to make her feel better. I try awfully hard and am hoping I am saying the right things, but I feel somewhat lost myself!!
 
Read Odd Girl Out. It gives you so much insight into girls and adult women. So many things in my life and preteen/teen years suddenly made sense after I read that. :goodvibes

I think I'm going to read it again since my own DD is getting older. Sadly I found out there's no minimum age for catty behavior. The other thing I figured out is that the apples don't fall far from the trees.
 
Thank you - and yes I do think that the apples sometimes don't fall far from the tree, but in this case her mom is quite nice and I don't understand why she'd allow it or not see it.

And sadly I too have said to my daughter, "some girls are just mean" ... that just doesn't seem like much advice for her, but I know deep in my heart that it is true. How sad really :( My heart aches for her ... as much as this girl is "mean" ... she is quite popular on the team.:confused3

Myself - I take solace in the old saying "what goes around comes around", but that is awfully hard for a 9/10 year old to fully appreciate just yet!
 

Read Odd Girl Out. It gives you so much insight into girls and adult women. So many things in my life and preteen/teen years suddenly made sense after I read that. :goodvibes

I think I'm going to read it again since my own DD is getting older. Sadly I found out there's no minimum age for catty behavior. The other thing I figured out is that the apples don't fall far from the trees.

I totally agree with this!

Your daughter is nice. People like her. This other girl (Mean-girl) probably feels that your daughter is better than her, in her heart, and she doesnt like it. And, since your daughter is so nice (AKA wont fight back), she now becomes a target. Mean-girl probably wants to make your daughter look bad in front of the other girls, so mean-girl has all the friends... because mean-girl doesnt know how to get them any ohter way.

If I were you (and I have a daugher who is 15 who sounds very much like yours!) I would work on bonding with those other nice girls. Set up time for your daughter to be with the other nice girls. Let them bond outside of the sports. Sleepovers? Parties? Doesnt have to be a birthday you know. Just throw a party. And then maybe invite one or two to a movie later on, etc.

I wouldnt go soft hearted and invite Mean-girl, even though you might feel bad. She has made her own bed so to speak....

I probably sound terribly mean. But I have lived that heart ache, and I have seen that these mean girls are smart and dont generally change for the better.

I can say that my dd came out of this stuff ok. And she learned what good friends were, and what not-so good ones were. Valuable life lesson!!

(PS: are you SURE her parents dont see it? Or dont WANT to see it?)
 
Thank you - and yes I do think that the apples sometimes don't fall far from the tree, but in this case her mom is quite nice and I don't understand why she'd allow it or not see it.

And sadly I too have said to my daughter, "some girls are just mean" ... that just doesn't seem like much advice for her, but I know deep in my heart that it is true. How sad really :( My heart aches for her ... as much as this girl is "mean" ... she is quite popular on the team.:confused3

Myself - I take solace in the old saying "what goes around comes around", but that is awfully hard for a 9/10 year old to fully appreciate just yet!


They are master manipulators. It's really ridiculous. :mad:
 
I can say that my dd came out of this stuff ok. And she learned what good friends were, and what not-so good ones were. Valuable life lesson!!

::yes:: Now that I'm a senior in high school and have been through all of this, the mean girls aren't as openly mean to each others faces and of course there's no more tattling to mommy. But it's very nice to know the difference between the girls to be friends with and the girls to just be cordial too.
 
Read the threads on the DIS and you will see that this girl thing goes on and on even as girls mature into women. We are mean for the sake of mean. It is unexplainable.
 
Read the threads on the DIS and you will see that this girl thing goes on and on even as girls mature into women. We are mean for the sake of mean. It is unexplainable.

You know what age I've had the worst problem with? Grown adults! Moms can be awful towards each other, it's ridiculous! When I first became a sahm I joined Gymboree and we were all first time moms, kids were like 6-8 weeks apart so everyone was in the same boat. Everyone was nice and did stuff in big groups until the "popular" ones started forming cliques and dumping the moms that were budget savy and didn't carry expensive bags, etc. Amazing how nasty people could be at 30 years old.
 
I totally agree with this!

Your daughter is nice. People like her. This other girl (Mean-girl) probably feels that your daughter is better than her, in her heart, and she doesnt like it. And, since your daughter is so nice (AKA wont fight back), she now becomes a target. Mean-girl probably wants to make your daughter look bad in front of the other girls, so mean-girl has all the friends... because mean-girl doesnt know how to get them any ohter way.

If I were you (and I have a daugher who is 15 who sounds very much like yours!) I would work on bonding with those other nice girls. Set up time for your daughter to be with the other nice girls. Let them bond outside of the sports. Sleepovers? Parties? Doesnt have to be a birthday you know. Just throw a party. And then maybe invite one or two to a movie later on, etc.

I wouldnt go soft hearted and invite Mean-girl, even though you might feel bad. She has made her own bed so to speak....

I probably sound terribly mean. But I have lived that heart ache, and I have seen that these mean girls are smart and dont generally change for the better.

I can say that my dd came out of this stuff ok. And she learned what good friends were, and what not-so good ones were. Valuable life lesson!!

(PS: are you SURE her parents dont see it? Or dont WANT to see it?)

I agree with this post 100% and more. :thumbsup2
 
The sad thing is that there are always mean girls. I am 50+ and last year I worked on a mom's committee with a couple of women who were two of the snottiest, meanest people I have ever had to deal with and I have worked in some fairly rough work environments. The best advice I can give came from one of my daughters when she reached high school. She said the mean girls were still there, she just learned that they weren't important to her. In other words, the only way to deal with them is to strengthen your attitude about yourself. I know this is hard for a younger girl but at least know that there is hope ahead.

One other thought - I think that girls either fall into the mean girl group or the picked upon group. If you are the parent of a young girl and you are not hearing about mean girls then I wish that you would do everyone a favor and talk to your daughter to make sure that they consider how they treat others. I know this is jumping to a conclusion but honestly I have seen so many mean girls with parents that are just oblivious.
 
I have a 9 (very close to 10) and 7 year old daughters. My older daughter is a very sensitive kid, whereas the 7 year old is a little tougher in that respect.

Both girls are on the same hockey team as we combine our novice and atom players due to not having enough of either age group. Therefore we have about half of them at 7 or 8 and the other half at 9 and 10. My oldest generally gets along with everyone, she isn't a popular kid, but she is a nice girl. The coach's daughter, who is a real leader and a somewhat bold child, has lately taken it upon herself to make some unkind comments or to just act snotty to my kids. She routinely leaves my 7 year old out and then as soon as anything is said by my 7 year old, she becomes all syrupy sweet and acts like the hero for suddenly including her, yet she was the ring leader to begin with. I am friends with the parents, but they don't seem to see that she can do anything wrong.

My oldest also plays basketball with the same girl. She makes no bones about it that their team will be SO much better next year when they move up and play with some of the girls from the team last year. A few of the girls are completely new to the game, so of course they don't have the same skill level, but you don't need to make them feel badly that they are there. Without them you wouldn't even have a team! She never passes the ball to my daughter, even when in the open, or to many of the new girls that aren't quite as skilled at the game. This has started to really hurt my daughter's feelings. She is sensitive, but never really says a lot about it, but the last couple of nights has really opened up about it, so I know it is bothering her a lot.

I don't get it. I have nice kids - my youngest can be a monkey and walks to the beat of her own drum, so sometimes I get the social conflict with her, but with my oldest I just don't understand it. Why do they have to get so catty with each other? Why do they pick a certain kid to always make feel bad when you've been nice to her before? I have tried helping her understand, but honestly I'm as confused as she is!! Like I said, the parents don't see it and I don't want to run and be a ******* She used to play with my daughter, along with her younger sister playing with my youngest, and they used to get along fine. I do know from talking with her mom, that she is always telling her mom about how other kids do things to her or say mean things, or that she doesn't want to play with so and so because of this or that, and I'm thinking that should maybe raise some clue that maybe every single other kid doesn't have the problem or the issue. I just dont' get it.

I feel helpless and it is hurting my heart as much as it is hurting hers!! Please give me some advice on what I say to her to make her feel better. I try awfully hard and am hoping I am saying the right things, but I feel somewhat lost myself!!

There is no crying in sports.;) My dd's don't play but honestly if I were you I would take off the rose colored glasses.

For starters this is the coach's kid. I am sure what "the coach" says behind closed doors has something to do with this.

Plus the coach allows her to not pass the ball to the "new kids". That is no accident.

Also the age difference is inappropriate. If you want your youngest on a team with older girls she is going to have to toughen up unfortunately.

Mean girls, teachers, guys, bosses, coworkers, etc. exist everywhere. Teach your dd how to handle the situation with her held held high but no so high as to get it lobbed off. Teach her a little bit of "craft" when handling people like this, esp. with sports.

HUGS to you.....:hug::hug::hug:

Oh, my dd's are 19 and 14.
 
Another thing to remember, while it feels like it's all on just your daughter, chances are she treating everyone like that. Mean girls generally have more than one that they ice out. My daughter is in 8th grade, she has learned to ignore the mean girls. She has plenty of friend without them. And funny thing when she wasn't annoyed by them they moved on.

Oh and why are girls like that? Because they are insecure and it gives them a false sense of power.
 
Its not just in sports, its in every thing they do. :sad2: Luckily dd has found that the "mean" girls seem to change frequently. So the mean girl last year is friendly this year, but now its someone else.

I have just told dd that you cannot make anyone like you and you cannot change them. You just have to let them be what they are. I tell her to "kill them with kindness" and go on about her business.

At 10 its about jealousy in sports and friendships. At 12 (and for some a little younger) it sadly becomes about boys. But its ALWAYS about insecurity. I guess that's why so many times it goes on into adulthood, females always seem to have a bit of insecurity with each other.
 
Read Odd Girl Out. It gives you so much insight into girls and adult women. So many things in my life and preteen/teen years suddenly made sense after I read that. :goodvibes

I think I'm going to read it again since my own DD is getting older. Sadly I found out there's no minimum age for catty behavior. The other thing I figured out is that the apples don't fall far from the trees.

Wow - I was just going to post this. I've been to a lecture by the author, with my oldest dd, and she is so dead-on right.
 
Thank you for all of your replies :) I decided to ask a few other moms at work today what they thought of this behaviour and I felt much better openly talking about it as so many have experienced this with their children or nieces.

Last night I went on to Amazon and ordered a few books - one was Odd Girl Out, the other book was "Little Girls Can Be Mean", and three books for my girls to read - A Smart Girls Guide to Friends, Friends: Making them and Keeping Them, and Stand Up For Yourself ... These three books are geared towards tweens so I figure that is perfect for the oldest one now and the younger one later. I need to read some adult stuff, but she needs to read something so that she knows she isn't alone and then she knows how to handle herself if put in such a situation. Hopefully it will help ease some of her worries :)

I do know the sports situation is a tough road ... but it isn't just sports unfortunately where all of this stuff happens ... I see it sometimes amongst school friends too. I definitely don't have rose coloured glasses on - grew up with sports teams and such as well. Our hockey coach isn't our basketball coach, but the hockey coach's daughter plays on our basketball team. I am sure our hockey coach has made comments, as his daughter feels she is better than the rest and definitely has that air of superiority. She is short (like her dad though) so I honestly believe it will catch up with her. He has some 'small man syndrome' and maybe he is passing his attitude on to her. She is good at hockey and she is good at basketball - but she isn't the best like she thinks she is. She would be even better if she had a better attitude! When she played for other coaches in the past, she was lazy and complained constantly and it was always the coach's fault. She plays better for her dad - but she knows how to manipulate him too and he caves to her.

I honestly don't believe they see it!! Sad to say but true ... the mom will tell me how another girl was picking on someone younger at school and her daughter went to the rescue of said younger child ... in my mind I'm thinking somehow mean girl was part of the original issue, but always knows how to make herself look like the hero - kind of like how she excludes my younger one (not so much at hockey, but when my younger one tags along to basketball where she doesn't play) but then magically includes her to look like this super nice girl ... :confused:

As for someone mentioning the age differences on the team, we really haven't had an issue this year with that. Other older girls have had no issues with the younger players on the team. My younger daughter is actually fairly good at hockey considering she is younger than the others. This mean is actually not very nice to her when she comes along to basketball games or tournaments - even though my youngest is quite good friends with mean girl's younger sister.

Anyways, I think my daughter feels better having finally talked to me. She had been very quiet the last while and I think this has been eating away at her. Knowing that even mom has experienced mean girls when growing up is somewhat reassuring I think. I dont' think I will ever understand it ... it will be nice as they get older to be more blunt about what I think of such girls!!! :lmao:
 
I have a 9 (very close to 10) and 7 year old daughters. My older daughter is a very sensitive kid, whereas the 7 year old is a little tougher in that respect.

Both girls are on the same hockey team as we combine our novice and atom players due to not having enough of either age group. Therefore we have about half of them at 7 or 8 and the other half at 9 and 10. My oldest generally gets along with everyone, she isn't a popular kid, but she is a nice girl. The coach's daughter, who is a real leader and a somewhat bold child, has lately taken it upon herself to make some unkind comments or to just act snotty to my kids. She routinely leaves my 7 year old out and then as soon as anything is said by my 7 year old, she becomes all syrupy sweet and acts like the hero for suddenly including her, yet she was the ring leader to begin with. I am friends with the parents, but they don't seem to see that she can do anything wrong.

My oldest also plays basketball with the same girl. She makes no bones about it that their team will be SO much better next year when they move up and play with some of the girls from the team last year. A few of the girls are completely new to the game, so of course they don't have the same skill level, but you don't need to make them feel badly that they are there. Without them you wouldn't even have a team! She never passes the ball to my daughter, even when in the open, or to many of the new girls that aren't quite as skilled at the game. This has started to really hurt my daughter's feelings. She is sensitive, but never really says a lot about it, but the last couple of nights has really opened up about it, so I know it is bothering her a lot.

I don't get it. I have nice kids - my youngest can be a monkey and walks to the beat of her own drum, so sometimes I get the social conflict with her, but with my oldest I just don't understand it. Why do they have to get so catty with each other? Why do they pick a certain kid to always make feel bad when you've been nice to her before? I have tried helping her understand, but honestly I'm as confused as she is!! Like I said, the parents don't see it and I don't want to run and be a ******* She used to play with my daughter, along with her younger sister playing with my youngest, and they used to get along fine. I do know from talking with her mom, that she is always telling her mom about how other kids do things to her or say mean things, or that she doesn't want to play with so and so because of this or that, and I'm thinking that should maybe raise some clue that maybe every single other kid doesn't have the problem or the issue. I just dont' get it.

I feel helpless and it is hurting my heart as much as it is hurting hers!! Please give me some advice on what I say to her to make her feel better. I try awfully hard and am hoping I am saying the right things, but I feel somewhat lost myself!!

Im sorry but since your daughters are so young it is only going to get worse for them. I am a teen girl myself and have had so many problems with girls beign just plain mean over the years. And as you get older all new problems arise like boys! From my experiences I can say that girls just get jealous of each other a lot and always want to be noticed. I do not know how many times I have been playing a sport and was wide open but someone refused to pass it to me:rolleyes:Some/most girls just have a tendency to mature really late, like I am a junior and I still know a lot of girls who have yet to mature! The best advice I can give your daughter is to just be nice to everyone and to keep a few, close friends around you but do not have too many friends. I see a lot of problems for with big groups of friends! And if your daughter is the odd on out, that only probably means she is a nice, sweet girl who will go places in this world!

Good luck with everything
 
Girls are just like that. Even girls or woman who say they aren't, are. I hate when it messes with a team though. Could you talk tot he coach? I know that I've given the speech "I don't care if she hooked up with your boyfriend last night, when you're on the field your sisters." It's a BIG dynamic in female sports.
 
I am 44 and I still regularly encounter a group of women that all went to HS together and that clique mean girl mentality still exists. I don't give them the time of day but it makes me sad that it just never ever goes away.

Lisa
 


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