Who would like a separate forum focused on II trades?

StevieD

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I don't know if this has been suggested before, but I'm curious to know if there are others out there who would like to have a separate forum regarding information on trading outside of DVC. What I would envision is a forum where people could post their experiences trading out of DVC, quality of the resorts in the World Passport Collection, experiences trading outside of MS, etc. I realize TUG has a member section which can provide ratings of resorts. But I'd like to see something that is more oriented to DVC'ers. Although we just became members today, we have decided that we may not want to go to WDW every year - so it would be nice to have info on the trades available to us. Also, I've seen several posts from Dean which indicate that it is possible (and may be desirable) to trade directly with someone rather than use MS.

Anyway, this is a suggestion. If there appears to be a lot of DVC'ers who are in favor of this suggestion, perhaps one of the moderators could consider setting up a sub-forum dedicated to this topic. It sure would save time searching this forum for every specific resort that we are considering trading out for.

So what do you think?
 
I'm always interested in this topic, but there are not many posts on the subject. There happen to be a couple now, which is a little unusual per my observations. Sounds like a good idea.
 
While it sounds like an interesting idea, but I just can't see that there would be sufficient traffic to warrant such a board, and one of the things the webmasters look at for new boards is potential traffic (because it takes some amount of effort to maintain a board regardless of traffic - and there's no point in maintaining low traffic boards).

Since the availability of II resorts is limited, I've personally found TUG more than useful in researching possible II trades (not done any yet, but researched a few possibles).

If I've offended anyone by sharing my opinion, please accept my profuse apologies.
 
Offended anyone??? Heck no, Firefighter Mickey!! I honestly want to see what people think about the idea - if its not something of interest, then I'd be the first to say its not a good idea.

I only bring up the topic because in searching for info on II trades out of DVC, I found quite a few threads discussing people's experiences, but I found it difficult to search for these threads.
 

On the surface this is a great idea. After all, using DVC to make II exchanges is a very different use of DVC points than staying at a DVC resort. And II exchange discussions tend to get lost in all the other DVC discussions.

But my fear is that such a forum would have such low traffic, that most people who participate in the DVC forum would seldom or never go to a DVC-II forum. So this could have the opposite effect of what's desired -- there might actually be less discussion and fewer replies related to II exchanges.

On top of that, the moderators would probably end up spending a lot of time moving topics into the correct forum, becuse the distinction beween the DVC forum and DVC-II forum is likely to be unclear to many people.

Where would Concierge Collection and Adventurer Collection discussions go? Holland America and Disney Cruise Line point discussions? Disney Collection discussions? Buena Vista Trading Company discussions?

Perhaps there's an opportunity for a forum devoted to "Trip Reports for Trips with DVC Points to Other than DVC Resorts." But unless somebody can come up with better and shorter name for such a forum, it's likely to be unclear and fail.
 
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I would suggest no as most members are only casually interested and would read a post but not go to a new board. Plus I too doubt there would be enough traffic to justify it.
 
I personally would be very interested in such a board. We had thought of buying into DVC as we are on an every other year schedule to WDW. The reason we haven't bought in is simply because the kids (8 and 11) are starting to talk about various cruises, Caribbean Islands, and other non-Disney vacations (gasp!).

After reading about the ins and outs of DVC on this board we learned we could trade in for non-Disney resorts but never came across enough specific detail and experience from others who have done this.

I went to TUG and didn't find the personal experiences of trading from members I was looking for and info. here is practically nonexistant.

Until I can find the information/experience on DVC trades I am looking for I don't expect we will buy into DVC . We likely will buy a timeshare elsewhere and be FORCED (OMG NO!) to stay off-site for future WDW vacations! :eek:
 
I think there are two issues that people have questions about: (1) the mechanics of DVC-II exchanges, and (2) actual DVC member experiences, including a review of the resort, how easy or hard it was to arrange the exchage, and how many points it took.

For item 1, a good FAQ, pulled together from the outstanding responses the Dean has provided to specific questions, should go a long way toward addressing the questions. (Dean, do you want to volunteer to pull it together?)

For item 2, a new forum might be useful -- except that I wonder how many DIS participants actually make such exchanges and would be willing to write up their experiences. Such a forum could die from lack of interest unless there's sufficient activity.

For resort reviews, TUG -- http://www.tug2.net -- is a great resource. It's $15 for the first year and $10/year after that. There are also free areas, including various forums, but for the reviews and ratings, you have to join. (It's worth it, even if you plan to make a single exchange.) Of course, TUG doesn't provide a DVC member perspective; there's no discussion of how many DVC points an exchange took or experience of arranging a trade through DVC MS.

Would there be enough activity to support a new forum? What would it be called, so that people post to the right forum?
 
Since we presently have a "Cruise Trip Report Board," I think that there would be enough traffic to warrant a "DVC Trip Report Board."

It could include both DVC Resort trips, and II/Conceirge/Adventure/World of Disney etc trips, as well.

I know I am always "quick to click" on the "Just back from..." posts, and I would visit such a board often to hear about others' trips, and live vicariously through them until my next trip "home."

It would be great for people to discuss "all" the activities they enjoyed on their trip - so others could learn of different restaurants, activities, etc., say in Hilton Head & Vero.

Reports on II exchanges could include the point requirements for the trips, also.

I think it's a good idea - I'd definitely "subscribe" to it!
 
I guess I'm different. I like the variety on this board with the common thread of DVC. I read about trading out to cruises, resorts, etc and about trip experiences. I read about newbies putting their toes in the water to test the DVC to see if it fits. I see the mechanical banking/borrowing/ressies questions that are always so illuminating.

I like the variety, and being able to come to one board to see such diverse information.

I know I can always use the search function (now that it's back) to find specific topics, or if I can't find it I just post the question and people patiently reply with an answer that's been provided many times before.

My opinion....keep the board as it is. Again, that's just my opinion and not knocking the concept.

BTW....one thing I am thankful for is that the exchanges/rentals are on a different board!
 
I've always wished that there was a place to put trip reports for DVC members who stay at properties other than on-site. That would include Concierge Collection and week-long trades. I'd love to be able to hear about their impressions of the properties involved, as well as get some insight into other activities in the area they are visiting. I'm for it. As far as traffic is concerned, I have gone to other forums and noticed that the last postings might have been weeks back.
 
Personally, I feel we should not change anything. There is room on this board for any type of DVC exchange. I'm thinking that perhaps the real reason for some members wanting a second board is that they feel uncomfortable posting on a board that is largely dominated by DVC members who want to stay at a DVC resort. Honestly......I felt the same way when we first joined DVC. I felt that staying at a DVC resort was the best value. However, now that our children are grown we want to explore other destinations and luckily, DVC membership offers this flexibility. I would love hearing about other members outside experiences and recommendations. I've had a couple of outside exchanges and they were very positive - The Jefferson in Washington, D.C. and The Fairmont Vacation Villas at Riverside in British Columbia. I would recommend both to anyone considering an exchange at these places.
 
Since there is fairly little traffic, I'd hate for most members to miss out on info because it's on another board. The issue of some type of trip report/review for exchanges related to DVC might have some merrit much like the room reports. I think a fair amount of info has been circulated but DVC members exchange out relatively little. It will be difficult to amass much volume of info. The differences in DVC exchanges is relatively easy to understand. The hard part is figuring out what is an acceptable exchange then going and getting that exchange. If I get time tonight, I'll try to write a summary of my view of DVC exchanges.
 
I, too, love to read the posts about people's experience with trading out. I would rather see those kind of posts stay at this board though, because it's more convenient for me. I also don't think there would be enough traffic at a separete forum to make it worthwhile.

Since we just recently joined DVC we probably won't be looking at doing it for a few years, but I have thought and wondered about how often current members DO trade out.

Does anyone have any hard and fast numbers showing the actual numbers or percentage of II trades handled by member services each year? I wondered if, since DVC is now 10 years old, the outside trades are increasing? I realize that some trades are done in other ways, but I was just curious about this. Any ideas?
 
Ah, StevieD, we meet again!

I, too, would like to see a "Trade-out Trip Report" forum. It would be a great benefit to me. Right now, looking for trade-out experiences/advice on the general board is like looking for a needle in a haystack!

Me,
Sitting on the DVC Fence in Rochester, NY
 
This is my interpretation of the DVC exchange options. The topics to be covered are:
  • DVC exchanges with Interval International (II)
  • Concierge Collection exchanges (CC)
  • Disney Cruise Line exchanges (DCL)
  • Disney Collection exchanges (DC)
  • Adventurer Collection
  • Other alternatives
These are my views as of 2002 and are to be interpreted as such. Overall, I don’t feel most exchange options offer DVC members the best value so keep that in mind when reading my views.

DVC exchanges with Interval International

This area is a unique situation to both DVC exchanges and to a certain extent, the entire timeshare world. DVC has a contract with II to offer exchanges to DVC members. DVC takes the entire II book and then attempts to select out the top resorts they feel worthy for DVC members to exchange into excluding Orlando. Since there are only about 30-40 non Orlando resorts in II that are truly comparable to DVC resorts, DVC must round out the options with other resorts that are as good as possible even if below DVC standards.

The process is that a DVC member selects the resorts they would like to exchange into and gives that list to DVC. DVC then looks on line to see if any of the choices are available, if not, an ongoing exchange request is instituted. One can look for a resort up to 2 years from the date you are searching. One can only search for a unit the size you are willing to give up or the smallest unit that the destination resort has, whichever is larger. Once a possible match is found, DVC will call and offer that to you and you can then say yes or no. At that time, DVC will tell you how many points the exchange will cost. The exchange fee is currently $75. In general, the truly high demand times will cost the same as OKW Dream or Magic Season for the same size unit but many requests will actually be Adventure season points for OKW or HH. One may be offered a larger unit than searching for when doing an ongoing search.

For those familiar with the traditional timeshare exchange system, there are some differences. No II book, no bonus weeks, no access to II directly including the website, no getaways and you can’t access resorts not on the restricted DVC-II list. The positives are that there is no annual fee, the exchange fee is $75, DVC has very good exchange power and search first up to 2 years out.

Once you make the exchange, DVC actually reserves a unit that matches the criteria noted above and gives that unit to II. The points and the unit are then gone. It is possible to do a deposit first exchange which is more like a traditional timeshare exchange. The deposited unit may be used for an exchange for up to 2 years past the date of the unit deposited. This can be a good way to extend the life of points that may otherwise expire but I think this is the only benefit I can think of at this time.

Direct Exchange Points Options

These include the DC, DCL, CC and Adventurer Collection. I’ll give some general information that I think applies to all of these options. These are IMO convenience exchange options with a fairly high points cost. The value for an individual member must be weighed by that member but in general, the points cost is relatively high to very high. The actual value for most of these options usually approaches around $5 per point but will vary depending on available discounts, specials, holidays and the like. These exchange options are not guaranteed and these programs could change or cease to exist at any time. They are good to allow a vacation option that one could not swing otherwise, allow one to use up points that might not be used and to allow variety at a prepaid price. Once you’ve made the exchange, the points may still be available in “reservation status” if the reservation is cancelled. Reservation points can be use to book other exchange options except II but are not available to book DVC reservations.

Concierge Collection exchanges

Is mostly a collection of high end Bed and Breakfasts, Top Hotels and historic Inn’s. While the points costs are high and the value is questionable, the quality and uniqueness of each option is difficult to dispute. They can certainly be a way to splurge on one’s self and family as well as a way to create a once in a lifetime weekend or similar getaway. If you watch the Travel Channel or read top travel magazines, you will see the names pop up frequently.

Disney Cruise Line exchanges

DCL, need I say more. The value here may be more than some of the other similar options. For low end cabins, the points option tends to be fairly expensive depending on available specials. The true value tends to increase for the larger cabins due to the lower discounting in the more expensive cabins. Overall, DVC is a fairly expensive cruise line so one must again evaluate for themselves the value for the specific circumstances at hand.

Disney Collection exchanges

The ability to exchange to other DVC hotels is a very interesting one, too bad the points costs are so high. Still, many really enjoy the ability for variety and to try hotels they wouldn’t or couldn’t do on cash. Still, if you compare to rack rates for the Disney hotels, some may find value here. The option of selecting the view for a specific number of points is a plus for those where the room type, view is truly important.

Adventurer Collection

A combination of high adventure options that include choices like a Safari, whitewater rafting, and the like. I’ll also include the Dude Ranch in this group even though DVC lists it in the CC. I haven’t researched the value of these options but would assume the same $5 per point value.

Other Alternatives

Would include renting one’s points and using the proceeds to buy the other vacation options. One could do a direct exchange with another timeshare owner giving access to other possible trades for potentially less points costs. A direct exchanges also allows both parties to bypass possible fees, may allow access to owner only benefits and allow one to improve the chances at or even guarantee certain preferences like an oceanfront unit. Finally, one could exchange through an independent exchange company like San Francisco Exchange, Trading Places, Platinum Interchange, Dial an Exchange or others. Since each tend to specialize in certain resorts/areas, this could improve the chances to get certain exchanges as well as providing potential access to resorts not on the DVC-II list. As an example, I traded my two Aruba II non DVC resort weeks through SFX for two units the same week at the Embassy on Maui, an RCI only resort. While each of these exchange companies have their benefits, in general, they offer a no membership fee option, more liberal bonus weeks, easier trade up options and lower exchange fees than II in general though more than DVC.
 
Mittelst!!!!

Come on, you're still sitting on the fence??? The last time we "met" you were very convincing...it seemed like you were about to pull the trigger on 150 points. As I remember, we had basically done the same analysis (probably won't do WDW every year, interested in trading out once in a while). I convinced myself that DVC offered ultimate flexibility - trade out using MS, trade out privately, HH or VB, bank points, borrow points, or rent points!!

So get with it! You know what they say that sitting on the fence will get you.......don't let this happen!!
 
Dean,

Thanks for your evaluation and assessment of the various DVC exchange options. I think I've seen most of those opinions posted by you but not all in one place. Very nice.

Since this thread is not about exchange values, I'll not add any comments on that aspect of your post.
 



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