Which rule to enforce next?

[bicker]

in my experience money does not equal class. Some of the rudest, most self-centered and oblivious people I have had to deal with have been "affluent"

I agree. I think sometimes people mistake refined sensibilities with class. One is about what you appreciate, while the other is about how you behave.

 

[luvitmoreachtime]

I totally agree about how European and Asian tourists are SO rude and never wait their turn for the character greetings. DO NOT tell me that this is acceptable in their "cultures". US tourists are called rude all over the planet and I have rarely seen an American tourist act as rudely and inconsiderately as European and Asian tourists. This is not just at WDW, its countrywide. I also
love the way they act as though they dont speak English when it comes to waiting their turn but amazingly acquire the gift of bi-lingual speech the moment they need it. Hummmm? That is a miracle worthy of Biblical proportions. But I'm not bitter or opinionated on the subject can you tell?
I have to also say, do they not sell Anti-perspirant overseas? And for the US guest, they know better. You should not be funky at 9am on a day that the temp is 80 ish. Now at 5 pm or later, I could cut you some slack. And I guess if its your first day at WDW and you flew with the new flying restrictions I will give you the benefit of the doubt but I bet the resort stores have plenty of deodorant to sell. ::cop: ::cop: Yes I am trained stink police officer. LOL

 

[rkujay]

This is in response to what rkujay said. Most people in minimum wage jobs are there because their current situation prevents them from getting a better job. They very likely may be working on improving that situation. Furthermore, a person with less than a 6th grade education becoming so prosperous is extremely rare and other people should not be compared to that person. This person must have had some excellent opportunities thrown in his way combined with very good sense.

History is full of examples of persons who did very well without a great deal of education:Edison, Firestone, et al, but your point is well taken. This is by no means the norm and should not be compared. I have spoken to many cm's over the years, and a lot of them are edeavoring to better themselves. I spoke to one last week who said he works one day a month ( an older gentleman) for the perks of park entry, free meals, resort discounts etc. More power to him. As for my biz partner, he was a beer truck driver who asked me for a job selling cars. I told him I didn't hire people without car experience, let alone sales experience. He "made me an offer I couldn't refuse". He said if he didn't sell fifteen cars in his first month I didn't have to pay him. He sold twenty one cars. I gave him no special opportunities. He lead the sales board for three years. When I decided to go out on my own, I asked him if he wanted to be a partner. We started a dealership and did very well. He bought me out and is doing better still. He is dumb as a box of rocks, but the man can sell cars, and people love him and bring their friends and neighbors to him as well. No free rides, just hard work, long hours and a singular desire to succeed.

 

[Disneyrsh]

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[Fitswimmer]

I wonder if they'll eventually give the CM's those little portable translators so they can start directing people in their own language-it'd be easy to do.

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Pretty soon we're all going to be needing those.

 

[rkujay]

"Some of this is a language barrier issue but my opinion on this is "When in WDW know the language." I could see the frustration on the CM's face last trip when people wouldn't move down and similiar frustration on the face of the people that didn't understand."


So, if I go to Spain next year, I should know Spanish and know German if I visit Germany, and Italian if I visit Italy, French if I visit France, Portuguese if I visit Portugal?

Si, Ja, Si, Oui, Si ! Please forgive my spelling

 

[Melwood23]

1) Don't continually bump into me in the line. You'll get there just as quickly if you leave 6 inches between us as you will when you leave only 1 inch and keep bumping into us. Since I'm not moving backwards, figure it out!!

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I agree 100% on this one. I can't stand it when I am standing in a line, and usually it is a woman with a huge purse, seems to keep pushing into me. Like pushing your big bag is going to make the line move faster...NOT.

I actually had one woman who lets just say, a very large front...and she kept pushing them into me...that was a bit annoying. I was almost tempted to turn around and shove her with mine .

I swear I am going to have a shirt made where on the back is stays..stay back 1ft else can't be blamed for damage lol

 

[Disneyrsh]

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[MissD]

Referring to parking at the Contemporary and then walking over to the MK-

There's a thread out there, now closed, that I became embroiled in that had to be one of the *angriest* threads I've ever seen about this topic.

People who stay at the atrium level at the Contemporary will gut you and put your head on a post to warn others if they catch you parking in *their* lot.

I was foolish enough to admit that I had occasionally walked over to MK after dinner at the contemporary.

Sheesh, I'm still smokin'....

And just make sure you don't carry your mugs from any other resort when you do park there and walk anywhere...after all, they may NOT be the official f'ree refill for life' mugs

 

[rkujay]

I agree 100% on this one. I can't stand it when I am standing in a line, and usually it is a woman with a huge purse, seems to keep pushing into me. Like pushing your big bag is going to make the line move faster...NOT.

I actually had one woman who lets just say, a very large front...and she kept pushing them into me...that was a bit annoying. I was almost tempted to turn around and shove her with mine .

I swear I am going to have a shirt made where on the back is stays..stay back 1ft else can't be blamed for damage lol

I have a shirt which says staff on the front and Strep on the back

 

[Sleeping Becca]

"I swear I am going to have a shirt made where on the back is stays..stay back 1ft else can't be blamed for damage lol"

Or maybe a T-shirt that says in teeny tiny letters on the back " If you can read this, then back the heck up! You're crowding my personal space"

 

[misslissa]

I think Disney should have some sort of "etiquette course" for people with strollers. I don't know how many times I've been hit and nearly run over by someone who wasn't paying attention. Some of these strollers are as big as a Mini Cooper.

I agree with this... I had an experience last week at a local midway where a lady ran into my foot (with Crocs on, not sandals, thank goodness) and she looked down at my foot to see what she hit and then continued to just push the stroller over my foot!!!!!!!! What the heck??

 

[misslissa]

I'm not trying to flame anyone or start a fight, but I work in a public kind of job (public librarian), and in my experience money does not equal class. Some of the rudest, most self-centered and oblivious people I have had to deal with have been "affluent" and on the flip side some of the most curteous have barely had two nickels to rub together. I think many of the changes we are seeing go across the entire strata, and there seems to be more rudeness from everyone. I think we need to look beyond money as the reason for it.
Just my 2 cents

This can be true. But, I work at a private golf and country club that costs LOTS to get into. Most of the people there are elderly, some aren't. But, what I have found and what I have learned along my life is it isn't the people who have money that are rude, they're usually pretty nice. It is the people who want money or are new to it... I like to keep that in mind too.

Anyway, I also second the vote of having people not always bumping and squishing up to you. Maybe I have turned "rude" but I have just moved from a nice suburban (primarily caucasian) community to a community where caucasian is a minority. (I am Native American but appear caucasian) But, I have found that it is waaaaaayyy different in those terms. People are always invading my space here. Can someone fill me in??? Does this have to do with race or country of origin??? I had to just start telling people to back the heck up!!! I have some severe clausterphobia (sp?) and also get anxiety attacks when people are too close. I haven't noticed this at WDW as much as at home.

 

[letterdavidman]

I totally agree about how European and Asian tourists are SO rude and never wait their turn for the character greetings. DO NOT tell me that this is acceptable in their "cultures". US tourists are called rude all over the planet and I have rarely seen an American tourist act as rudely and inconsiderately as European and Asian tourists. This is not just at WDW, its countrywide. I also
love the way they act as though they dont speak English when it comes to waiting their turn but amazingly acquire the gift of bi-lingual speech the moment they need it. Hummmm? That is a miracle worthy of Biblical proportions. But I'm not bitter or opinionated on the subject can you tell?
I have to also say, do they not sell Anti-perspirant overseas? And for the US guest, they know better. You should not be funky at 9am on a day that the temp is 80 ish. Now at 5 pm or later, I could cut you some slack. And I guess if its your first day at WDW and you flew with the new flying restrictions I will give you the benefit of the doubt but I bet the resort stores have plenty of deodorant to sell. ::cop: ::cop: Yes I am trained stink police officer. LOL

A little xenophobia, anyone?

 

[Ashes711]

The line-cutting is the one thing that really got to me while in WDW. I have been to many, many theme parks all over the United States and only in WDW is it considered almost normal for people to save spots in line. If you get out of line for any reason....you give up your spot in line. No ifs ands or buts about it. When you get in line for a ride, you see that it has a 45 minute wait...if you think you may have to use the restroom, phone, eat, etc., during this time period don't get in line!!! Call me grumpy...but this is just common courtesy, and is not tolerated at several other parks I have been to.

 

[bicker]

Xenophobia? Not necessarily. Xenophobia is a phobic dislike of strangers. luvitmoreachtime's message didn't express an irrational dislike of strangers, but rather a reasonable aversion to being cut in front of in queue, and aversion to rudeness, and an aversion to foul smells. Now I don't think these problems are overly widespread, but there is no denying that some foreign guests visiting WDW violate various tenets of what is considered polite and respectful behavior in our society. Those that do, shouldn't.

 

[maxiesmom]

The line-cutting is the one thing that really got to me while in WDW. I have been to many, many theme parks all over the United States and only in WDW is it considered almost normal for people to save spots in line. If you get out of line for any reason....you give up your spot in line. No ifs ands or buts about it. When you get in line for a ride, you see that it has a 45 minute wait...if you think you may have to use the restroom, phone, eat, etc., during this time period don't get in line!!! Call me grumpy...but this is just common courtesy, and is not tolerated at several other parks I have been to.

Most other theme parks do not have quite so many children running around. I will cut a child who needs to potty some slack in the line-cutting thing. Heck, as an adult with IBS, I might not be able to wait 45 minutes without slipping out. But I would probably not try to cut back in, but I would sure let a small child back in line. See, we all do not agree on what is rude, and doesn't it make our lives nicer if we relax and let things go and not get all steamed up over small things? I'm not saying let a pack of people in front of you, but I don't agree with making some things so black and white.

 

[QueenGoblin]

I spent a semester in Greece and after being there for a while I could pick out the "Americans" from a mile away. They traveled in packs talking loudly, several abreast, in knit coordinates and shorts that were more brightly colored than the clothes the Greeks wore and, yeah, they had sneakers and baseball caps on. You would never notice these people in your mall but in the middle of Athens they sure did stand out and announce themselves as tourists. And clothing that they thought was appropriate for touring was often seen as garish and too casual by the Greeks,
I have no Greek heritage but natives would consistantly pick me out of the group of American students I was with and try to talk to me as though they expected me to understand because I wore a lot of dark simple clothing and I didn't wear sneakers.
I'm not really saying anything new here, just another observation that cultures can vary quite a bit. There are rude and oblivious people from every spot on the globe, just like there are nice people who would like to be able to fit in, but are just miscommunicating. I'm sure those Americans I saw in Greece had no idea that they stood out the way they did or that they were behaving in a way that could be seen as rude.

 

[bicker]

That's one of the reasons why, when visiting a foreign country, it is so valuable to have a great guide. A guide helps you see what you want to see, while also helping you learn and understand the customs that you, as a guest in that country, are expected to comply with.

 

[letterdavidman]

The line-cutting is the one thing that really got to me while in WDW. I have been to many, many theme parks all over the United States and only in WDW is it considered almost normal for people to save spots in line. If you get out of line for any reason....you give up your spot in line. No ifs ands or buts about it. When you get in line for a ride, you see that it has a 45 minute wait...if you think you may have to use the restroom, phone, eat, etc., during this time period don't get in line!!! Call me grumpy...but this is just common courtesy, and is not tolerated at several other parks I have been to.

Exactly right! Though I think it has something to do with Disney's reputation for a warm, fuzzy atmosphere that they themselves propagate (and, face it, which we all love), which, evidently, some people equate with not being part of the "real world" so much so that these same people would engage in behavior that they wouldn't think twice of if they were anywhere else. And it's partly Disney's fault because they tend to adopt a look-the-other-way stance regarding most of this type stuff. As has been said before in this same thread, if they would start cracking down on these behaviors just a bit more, I do believe they would, for the most part, cease.