Which Canon?

bazzanoid

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Morning all,

UK DISer here, so bear with me on model number differences!

I'm looking at a canon dslr, but can't decide which one to go for. There's a few decent deals about for the 7D at the moment, and from what i can gather it's one of their higher end models.

I'm confused :confused3

Not fussed about entry level, i want to buy a camera that won't leave me wanting the next model up in a year or two....

any suggestions?

:goodvibes
 
If you want to stay with a crop sensor, the 7d is at the top of the line. A lot of my friends have it and love it. They only upgrade because they want to go full frame.
 
Thanks for that - so if I wanted to go full frame, which one would you recommend?
 
Want to have all the options before I buy, also what is the difference in terms of image size/quality between a crop and full sensor?
 

Morning all,

UK DISer here, so bear with me on model number differences!

I'm looking at a canon dslr, but can't decide which one to go for. There's a few decent deals about for the 7D at the moment, and from what i can gather it's one of their higher end models.

I'm confused :confused3

Not fussed about entry level, i want to buy a camera that won't leave me wanting the next model up in a year or two....

any suggestions?

:goodvibes

I'm going to tell you what I tell everyone. When you ask for advice about which camera to buy on a message board everyone will be really quick to tell you what works for them. But what works for them may not be what's best for you. You can't go wrong with any DSLR out right now, as long as it's the right fit for your needs.

What do you hope to get out of the camera? What type of shooting will you be doing? Why is it that you want a DSLR? What kind of features are you interested in?

The 7D is due to be replaced by a newer model sometime soon, it's a few years old. It is the "professional" crop body from Canon, but that designation really doesn't hold much if the technology is already becoming out of date. Right now with Canon crop bodies the T4i (650D) is the newest with all the new video features (like auto focus with video) and a number of other improvements. As far as image quality it's got a newer sensor and image processor than the 7D. If I were shopping for a crop body for myself right now the T4i is the way I'd go. But that's me, and not you.

You can get a really good rundown of all the features as well as compare cameras at dpreview.com. their camera comparison tools are great for nit picking the differences in specs. But don't get too tied up in the specs. Go to the store and play with the models and get a good feel for them. Some will feel better in your hands than others and that's important, too.

As far as full frame... getting a full frame camera is absolutely no guarantee that you won't be outdated in a few years. While Canon has just released a new round of full frame cameras, I'd think long and hard on the benefits of them for what you'll be doing before jumping into a camera that will run at least $2000 USD.

Full frame cameras have a leg up on crop bodies in noise related to ISO. They also get a very slight gain in image quality because of the way crop cameras literally crop in on the projected image from a lens... but that is really slight. To me image quality alone is not enough of a reason to go full frame. It's also about the features of the camera.

Also keep in mind that that the gain in image quality many immediately associate with a full frame camera is partially because of the lenses sold with them. You can get cheaper lenses, but it's a lot like putting the cheap gas into a high end sports car. Sure it will take pictures, but you're not going to get the performance you paid for out of the camera with low end lenses. Some lower end lenses have characteristics that actually make noise more visible. And you can always take those high end lenses and drastically improve the performance of a lower end camera. This is why many start with an entry level body and then add high end glass down the road.

In the end of it all though, the camera and the lenses are just a tools. Getting the shots is mostly on the photographer and you'll get out of it only as much as you put into it. Find the right camera for your needs, then learn how to take command of it.


Edited to add... that DPS article is way outdated. When it was written crop cameras didn't have the low light performance that they do now, there was a huge divide between the two formats, and mirrorless weren't even on the scene yet. So take the information with a grain of salt... or silver halide as the case may be.
 
Morning all,

UK DISer here, so bear with me on model number differences!

I'm looking at a canon dslr, but can't decide which one to go for. There's a few decent deals about for the 7D at the moment, and from what i can gather it's one of their higher end models.

I'm confused :confused3

Not fussed about entry level, i want to buy a camera that won't leave me wanting the next model up in a year or two....

any suggestions?

:goodvibes

I am in agreement with much of what PhotoChick wrote. The sensors on 7D, 60D, and T4i are all the same specification for MP and image quality with the edge going to T4i since it is the latest version. I see a lot of people not wanting the entry level models because of some perception that they have entry level controls and will take entry level photographs. Also that the photographer will "outgrow" them soon. T4i has the same exposure controls as the other models: P, A, S, M; and although the controls are laid out slightly differently there is no exposure setting that one camera can do that the others can't. For three years I used a Rebel Xsi and did not outgrow it, my next camera was a micro 4/3 for a smaller and lighter setup.

Image size is purely a function of MP and doesn't mean that much. Image quality starts with the sensor but depends on much more than the sensor. Full frame can offer a more shallow depth of field over APS-C with the same lens. If the sensor has the same number of pixels FF should have lower noise than APS-C (larger pixels) or if it has the same pixel density it will have the same noise but greater image size. The cost is in $$$, size/weight, and better lenses.
 
Just a word about full frame vs crop. Full frame is not necessarily better. It's much more expensive, because it literally costs much more to build the sensor.
Full frame has a few advantages:
Easier to achieve wide angle.
Shallower depth of field (easier to blur background)
Lower noise.

And crops have some advantages:
Get more telephoto reach on your lenses.
Easier to get sharp focus, to get sharp backgrounds.
Many lenses work better on crop cameras -- many lenses produce low quality at the corners, but those corners are cropped out. So you just get the sharp middle.
 
Good answers from all.... having worked in an electronics store i've handled all the canons over the last couple of years and there isn't a single one that doesn't feel comfortable to hold etc.

I'd likely only start off with a couple of lenses, figuring an 18-55 for portrait shots and close-up stuff and something that goes out to 200/300mm as an everyday lens.

Apart from that, sounds like i should pretty much go with whichever one offers the best deal at the time!
 
Good answers from all.... having worked in an electronics store i've handled all the canons over the last couple of years and there isn't a single one that doesn't feel comfortable to hold etc.

I'd likely only start off with a couple of lenses, figuring an 18-55 for portrait shots and close-up stuff and something that goes out to 200/300mm as an everyday lens.

Apart from that, sounds like i should pretty much go with whichever one offers the best deal at the time!

For " every day".. The 18-55 is what you need. It's not often you need 200+ unless you are photographing wild life, or sports from the bleachers.

But a kit 18-55 is not ideal for portraits. A prime lens can be great for portraits. An 18-55 can be satisfactory for indoor portraits or portraits taken close.
I actually like using my 70-210 zoom for portraits outdoors... Using a long focal length can create very nice background blur.
 
bazzanoid said:
Morning all,
Not fussed about entry level, i want to buy a camera that won't leave me wanting the next model up in a year or two....
:goodvibes

The reality is it doesn't matter what you buy, the next model in a year or two will probably leave you wanting it! ;)

I agree with most of the advice that has been given. How much experience do you have? Are you planning on shooting for fun or professionally? Ultimately it depends on what you want!

While camera body's are important, glass probably has a bigger effect on your images! You may want to get something like the T4i or 60D and spend the money you save on better lenses. Lenses can last and be used far longer than the camera body.

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One thing I'll suggest is to keep an eye out or news at CanonRumors.com. Not only will they mention deals that are out there; but they are really on top of new product announcements/rumors. If anything, when a new model comes out, that "old" version will drop in price. And those "old" ones will still be very reliable cameras that won't have you wanting.
 








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