Where do you stand on this?

[Magic Band Defender]

Yes, and I'm asking you about the others. Why won't you answer?

What accommodations would not be reasonable?

What do the others have anything to do with the issue at hand? I have stated my opinion on one particular situation and have never stated or otherwise implied that every situation that one can imagine should be accommodated.

 

[Magic Band Defender]

Have a nice day!

You too!

 

[gottaluvPluto]

This truly is a no-brainer. When the mom threatened violence, the pilot had no choice but to make the call and kick them off.

On another note, personal responsibility has clearly gone out the window with this lady. She is going to have a difficult time when the zombie apocalypse comes.

 

[Luvchefmic]

Thank you MBD for answering my post which seems like 1000 posts ago. I'm exhausted Goodnight

 

[sunshinehighway]

I have not put words in anyone's mouth. Both times I was accused of doing so, it is easy to scroll to a different page and see exactly what I was referencing.

How exactly can I attack an unnamed poster while not listing the name of the thread, the poster, or using a direct quote? How else can I protect the poster?

I am clearly not attacking anyone who doesn't agree with me. There were 9 pages of posters who don't agree with me. I have not engaged any of them, only those that have direcyly engaged with me.

I don't need to stir the pot, there are plenty of posters who are doing a bang up job of that all by themselves.

Whether you intend it or not, many of your posts come off as attacking most posters. You keep posting generalized statements about things people are not saying so it comes off like you are jumping on everyone who doesn't share your opinion.

 

[SMD]

I have not put words in anyone's mouth. Both times I was accused of doing so, it is easy to scroll to a different page and see exactly what I was referencing.

How exactly can I attack an unnamed poster while not listing the name of the thread, the poster, or using a direct quote? How else can I protect the poster?

I am clearly not attacking anyone who doesn't agree with me. There were 9 pages of posters who don't agree with me. I have not engaged any of them, only those that have direcyly engaged with me.

I don't need to stir the pot, there are plenty of posters who are doing a bang up job of that all by themselves.

You said that people on this thread have said that people on the spectrum should not fly at all. You said that many people said the mother should have brought food that could be heated on the plane. Neither of those things happened in this thread. Your post that claims that people who "don't like" that special needs children are no longer in institutions should rent private jets or move to a "backwards" country. You want to claim that you're not attacking anyone because you didn't quote someone before you said that. It's fine that you think you're being reasonable and that you're somehow rising above by getting people to engage you. But as has been routinely pointed out, you're repeatedly claiming people are saying things that they're not. Keep going until you get the last word. Clearly you think you're making some point other than the fact that you're things up to make your point.

 

[Magic Band Defender]

Whether you intend it or not, many of your posts come off as attacking most posters. You keep posting generalized statements about things people are not saying so it comes off like you are jumping on everyone who doesn't share your opinion.

I have basically been the only dissenting opinion in this entire thread and everyone and their brother has chimed to tell me how wrong I am, even when I am sharing my experience.

Not that anyone has asked, but I do not entirely agree with the mom. I think there is plenty of blame to go around.

 

[barkley]

This truly is a no-brainer. When the mom threatened violence, the pilot had no choice but to make the call and kick them off.

On another note, personal responsibility has clearly gone out the window with this lady. She is going to have a difficult time when the zombie apocalypse comes.

nah, she'll do fine fighting the good fight issuing threats to ensure all the zombie's are accommodated with on-demand steaming hot (or their otherwise preferred temperature) brains

 

[sunshinehighway]

I have basically been the only dissenting opinion in this entire thread and everyone and their brother has chimed to tell me how wrong I am, even when I am sharing my experience.

Not that anyone has asked, but I do not entirely agree with the mom. I think there is plenty of blame to go around.

That's fine. Your delivery is what's causing the problem though. Your first post was very inflammatory and it came off as an attack on most posters. It made it seem like you came in with the attitude that posters were saying terrible things, like autistic individuals should be locked away, when nobody had said anything close to that.

 

[nugov2]

Some airlines do sell food to coach passengers on some routes. It used to be provided at no additional charge. While I have never said anyone was entitled to free food, I don't personally believe airlines selling available food to willing passengers is a crazy idea. Last time I flew Delta into LAX they were selling sandwiches and chips. While I did not partake, I did not think the idea was some crazy slippery slope.

No airline sells a handful of leftover first class meals. What you experienced was something that was for everyone in coach not just something they offered to a lucky few. What do you think they should do if 3 meals are left and 6 people want them? Should everyone give their life story, the wrongs they have suffered and why they are most deserving, should an auction and those with the most money get them, how will it be determined who is worthy?

I was a dealt a great hand in life through no effort of my own and I know it. That's why I don't get jealous when someone in an ECV gets on the bus before me or has a GAC at WDW. Other people are born on third place and go through life thinking they hit a triple.

This has nothing to do with jealousy. I don't think the majority of people get jealous when someone needs accommodations and gets them. I and most others are kind and courteous to others ie. let them get on the bus, not heckle those with DAS...hell I let every pregnant mom go in front of me in the bathroom. That is the way most people IME are, compassionate and kind.

As if this weren't obvious, but apparently, you are the master of not understanding the obvious. There's a HUGE difference between this mother being content with the offerings MADE to all coach passengers, and demanding/requesting that she be given some sort of special treatment by getting a first class meal designed and offered ONLY for that class of passenger.

Sheesh.

Obviously, airlines are free to make whatever food and beverage options they choose to the various classes of passengers, but to demand that something destined for another class be offered to you, well, that isn't going to happen and it's not reasonable.

I will go back to another example. Let's suppose I have a medical condition where I cannot sit for long periods. It's better for me to lie down. Now, I opt to take an overseas flight of 14 hours. I'm cheap. I book coach. I can't possibly sit for 14 hours. I guess in your world it would be right for me to either demand a first class sleeper seat (to 'reasonably' accommodate my disability) OR be allowed to lie in an aisle...heck I'll even move when the carts come by. Surely, there isn't an issue with that right. I need it. It's available. Why not.

This is a perfect example and identical to what this mom wanted.

I am only replying back to those that replied to me. If I am talking about it, it's because someone else brought it up in a reply to me. Like you are doing right now.

For the last time:
I do not see anything wrong with an airline selling leftover meals. *If* there was leftover food, I see no harm in selling it to this family. I think slippery slope arguments are poor arguments.

Again, what is your solution when more people want the meals than there are meals available??? I think it is a poor argument to say an airline should sell leftover first class meals if they have them leftover.

 

[SMD]

I have basically been the only dissenting opinion in this entire thread and everyone and their brother has chimed to tell me how wrong I am, even when I am sharing my experience.

Not that anyone has asked, but I do not entirely agree with the mom. I think there is plenty of blame to go around.

Not everyone is disagreeing with what you're saying. Many are disagreeing with the way you're saying things. Not everyone has said that the mother is 100% wrong either, you're the one claiming to be the lone voice of dissent. Up until now I've been of the opinion that you're going this on purpose because you get off on getting a ride out of people. Maybe you really do have some kind of persecution complex. I haven't noticed that you've shared your experience at all, only how you think it happened or how you think United should handle meals onboard. Your experiences must have been very trying for you.

 

[cabanafrau]

I was a dealt a great hand in life through no effort of my own and I know it. That's why I don't get jealous when someone in an ECV gets on the bus before me or has a GAC at WDW. Other people are born on third place and go through life thinking they hit a triple.

Disagreeing with the choices this mother made does not equate to a negative view about ADA accommodations or those who need them. It seems there is some room for suspicion that she is accustomed to using both ADA and poverty issues exploitively for her own means as it suits her. I raise an eyebrow at someone earning their seemingly privileged lifestyle by trumpeting the cause of the underserved and neglected impoverished class and simultaneously wilfully neglecting the needs of her own child and inconveniencing others with the results of that neglect and having the unmitigated gall to blame others and attempt to derive profit from her deliberate choices.

 

[SMD]

Other people are born on third place and go through life thinking they hit a triple.

You're not attacking anyone, just putting people down. Is that it?

 

[Magic Band Defender]

You said that people on this thread have said that people on the spectrum should not fly at all. You said that many people said the mother should have brought food that could be heated on the plane. Neither of those things happened in this thread. Your post that claims that people who "don't like" that special needs children are no longer in institutions should rent private jets or move to a "backwards" country. You want to claim that you're not attacking anyone because you didn't quote someone before you said that. It's fine that you think you're being reasonable and that you're somehow rising above by getting people to engage you. But as has been routinely pointed out, you're repeatedly claiming people are saying things that they're not. Keep going until you get the last word. Clearly you think you're making some point other than the fact that you're things up to make your point.

The mom bringing food to heat up was discussed many times on pages 1, 2, 3, 4.... It's fine if you didn't read the entire thread, but it's not cool to imply I'm lying because of it.

 

[Magic Band Defender]

You're not attacking anyone, just putting people down. Is that it?

I think it's quite a stretch to say I put someone down.

 

[cabanafrau]

I have not put words in anyone's mouth. Both times I was accused of doing so, it is easy to scroll to a different page and see exactly what I was referencing.

How exactly can I attack an unnamed poster while not listing the name of the thread, the poster, or using a direct quote? How else can I protect the poster?

I am clearly not attacking anyone who doesn't agree with me. There were 9 pages of posters who don't agree with me. I have not engaged any of them, only those that have direcyly engaged with me.

I don't need to stir the pot, there are plenty of posters who are doing a bang up job of that all by themselves.

This is a discussion on a discussion board. Disagreeing with your opinions isn't an attack, it's a different point of view. Responding to your comments isn't stirring the pot, it's discussion. I've disagreed with your position for pages now. That's nothing to do with you, strictly the topic being discussed.

 

[sunshinehighway]

I think it's quite a stretch to say I put someone down.

It's not a stretch. Clearly posters are taking your posts has putting people down. The last few replies to you have basically all said the same thing, your delivery is off putting.

 

[Planogirl]

All this thread proves is that there are people in the world that think that everyone should make an exception for them. No, that's not reality and never will be.

 

[nugov2]

I think it's quite a stretch to say I put someone down.

Actually you have, but you don't see that. You also won't accept the multiple posts of people stating that your presentation not just your view is what is off putting.

 

[Magic Band Defender]

Not everyone is disagreeing with what you're saying. Many are disagreeing with the way you're saying things. Not everyone has said that the mother is 100% wrong either, you're the one claiming to be the lone voice of dissent. Up until now I've been of the opinion that you're going this on purpose because you get off on getting a ride out of people. Maybe you really do have some kind of persecution complex. I haven't noticed that you've shared your experience at all, only how you think it happened or how you think United should handle meals onboard. Your experiences must have been very trying for you.

I do not have a persecution complex. I actually found it surprising that such a large number of people would respond to my post.

I don't know how my experiences would give anyone any better insight into what happened on the plane and I do not have any trying experiences to share. My toddler has a speech delay, but neither I nor my husband or child have ever asked for or received any special accommodations. I do have professional experience that makes me empathetic to those with special needs.