Yeah. You all need to study history. Hitler required covid masks as a first step to the holocaust. And I see the Mongols got covid masks just before they invaded. Oh and yes, Julius Caesar was killed with a covid mask on too. It's not just a mask. It's a freedom killer!!!!
Don't know if you want to use European countries as ones to follow. Have you look at Italy, France, Spain, Belgium, Sweden, England, Netherlands, Ireland. Their deaths per million population are higher than US. US deaths per million is 275, while Italy is 528, France is 431, UK is 531, Sweden is 351. Only Germany seems to have done a great job.
NYC area is also the main driver of the nation's total numbers going down.
Germany, Czechia, Slovakia, Greece, Iceland, Latvia, Lituania, Estonia, Portugal (which had the lowest number of ICU beds per capita in Europe), Slovenia, Croatia, Austria are all doing well. There are other countries as well with successful figures in Europe, which are opening/have opened up for weeks already, and now moving to close contact activities and tourism.
There are eight European countries that have worse numbers than the U.S. right now. This virus got to Europe first so it'll be interesting to see how that holds up. I don't think this includes tiny countries with small populations but I'm not sure. I looked at Statista.
Yes, the virus went globally so now it is still strong in North and South America, which are lagging weeks behind Europe (which lagged weeks behind Asia). Perhaps it would be better to compare the US and Canada rather than US to Europe? And as you say re NYC, if you extrapolate Montreal from the Canada figures, then the numbers are much lower in Canada as well.
Too many people think freedom means I can do what I want and nobody can tell me what to do. They've failed to learn what everyone should learn by age 5. Nobody likes being told what to do. But you're going to be told what to do plenty of times throughout your lifetime. Not doing some of them may get you fired. Not doing some of them may get you kicked out of a store. Not doing some of them may get you thrown in jail. That lesson should have been learned by age 5. My father had a saying. You can learn it from me or you can learn it from the school of hard knocks. It seems many adults need to relearn things through the school of hard knocks. Maybe instead of thinking whether they can, people should be thinking about whether they should.
I'd hate to see a shut down again around Thanksgiving. Really hope that need is avoided.
True. But the pp is correct that our numbers would look much better overall if not for NYC. There are other heavily populated areas that weren't hit nearly as hard. So some places either got really lucky or did it correctly from the start. I will stand by the 3 day difference in CA shutting down and NY shutting down played a major factor. Especially when officials in NYC were encouraging people to go out that weekend. As people laughed at Newsom (CA which was the first state to shut down) for overreacting, it seems like he made the right call at the right time.
Oh wow, that's interesting. Thanks for posting.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2004211?query=featured_home
Yeah, we're still not 100% sure. Alot can happen over the next 3 months. We're going thru the motions to prepare and will decide closer to Sept. depending on where everything stands and what options are available.
