When do you think the border will reopen?

[Donald - my hero]

ok I'm hanging my head in a bit of shame here gang. I'm leaving it as isfor now because the map is chilling but I need to acknowledge that I posted it when exhausted and didn't add a bit of commentary. The map was put together in the USA and because of that they are the ones who made that clear demarcation line sooo blunt. Most of The dots within Canada are for each province as a whole! Sooo for example the one for Ontario is waaay too far from the actual border.

I'd appreciate some input here from everyone - should I remove the screenshot and leave the link due to the glaring mistake of our dots hovering in the middle of the provinces and just let others look at the map themselves? I feel I've contributed to some of the fear mongering I myself despise even though it was created by a scientific source that's being trusted around the world.

 

[Best_Vacation_EVER!]

ok I'm hanging my head in a bit of shame here gang. I'm leaving it as isfor now because the map is chilling but I need to acknowledge that I posted it when exhausted and didn't add a bit of commentary. The map was put together in the USA and because of that they are the ones who made that clear demarcation line sooo blunt. Most of The dots within Canada are for each province as a whole! Sooo for example the one for Ontario is waaay too far from the actual border.

I'd appreciate some input here from everyone - should I remove the screenshot and leave the link due to the glaring mistake of our dots hovering in the middle of the provinces and just let others look at the map themselves? I feel I've contributed to some of the fear mongering I myself despise even though it was created by a scientific source that's being trusted around the world.

You're definitely not adding to fear mongering... It's great info to have.

But if you're feeling uncomfortable maybe just add a quick edit to the post with a note saying that the dots for Canada are aggregated and reflect the total for each province and not the specific locale that the dot appears on.

 

[wdwmom3]

ok I'm hanging my head in a bit of shame here gang. I'm leaving it as isfor now because the map is chilling but I need to acknowledge that I posted it when exhausted and didn't add a bit of commentary. The map was put together in the USA and because of that they are the ones who made that clear demarcation line sooo blunt. Most of The dots within Canada are for each province as a whole! Sooo for example the one for Ontario is waaay too far from the actual border.

I'd appreciate some input here from everyone - should I remove the screenshot and leave the link due to the glaring mistake of our dots hovering in the middle of the provinces and just let others look at the map themselves? I feel I've contributed to some of the fear mongering I myself despise even though it was created by a scientific source that's being trusted around the world.

I don’t think you need to remove it. I think we are all adults with brains who can read and research for ourselves. I agree it’s not totally accurate but the “idea” behind it is. There is no denying that the US is in significantly worse shape then we are. I don’t think that’s fear mongering I think it’s more of a reality check.

 

[starvenger]

Wait... so Thunder Bay isn't the hot spot for all of Ontario's cases? I WAS FOOLED.

I can’t wrap my head around how they can make a pandemic so political. I mean we are talking about people actually getting really sick or losing their life. I just don’t get it.

And I have to say I love how we can have these discussions about borders, masks, and opening things up and it doesn’t get nasty or political!!

It helps that our leaders have put their political differences aside to provide a (more or less) united front on this issue. That's all I'll say about that.

 

[hdrolfe]

I'd say to leave it, I notice most of the countries outside of the US have a single dot, like if you look at the Caribbean countries it looks very red, but a lot of those places have very low cases (according to another site I follow, it's on facebook so I can't link to it from this computer). I did wonder a bit at the Northern Ontario dot but figure it out

 

[pigletto]

Totally easy mistake to make @Donald - my hero ! I rushed to post something yesterday and didn’t hear it right and felt bad. It happens. Though I would vote to remove and leave the link as the graphic is misleading without context. Or edit for the context at the top of the post . Either would be fine.

 

[Kaadk]

I was kind of wondering why Windsor/Essex didn't show any cases when I zoomed in. I had assumed they just didn't have the correct data, but aggregates make more sense. Even averaging those dots over the Canadian populace though, we'd be way lower than the States.... Mostly because we're way lower total population. Don't get me wrong, they're still pretty out of control over there, the other page that shows how whether or not they're flatting the curve showing a recent upsurge is proof of that, but any map that shows total cases only is always going to be skewed to be unfavourable to the countries with the higher population density.

 

[vegs1]

I don't see it opening any time soon. Every month I keep looking in hopes I can get back to work soon and every month goes by my income and career are going out the window. Been unemployed over 3 months now. Anyone hates the main line carriers still thinking it's a government subsidy and wants it shut down you are all getting your wishes but it also comes at a cost of thousands of Canadians on EI. I can't even go back to school and do something else because of my age. Who wants to hire someone fresh out of school who is only going to be around 10 years at best until retiring? The only job leads I've found where packaging chocolates in a factory that pays minimum wage. Even the EI top up because the company I work for and our beloved government decided only pilots and flight attendants and every other department qualified for wage subsidy except for the mechanics, that measly little 500 a week barely covers our mortgage and taxes and we have another 8 years to go before our house is paid. Sorry for the rant but the only people that want the borders to remain closed are the people still working or retired and don't have to worry about how they will be paying their bills and not going bankrupt by the fall. Sorry for the rant but this has broken me to the point there is nothing left to hold out for

I am truly sorry for what you are going through. The stress must be unbearable but please do hold out for hope.

I am, however, for keeping the border closed. The US has numbers that are escalating daily and they just can’t and don’t seem to want to do much to reign them in. As was said earlier, it’s just so political. If we open that border too soon, we will be seeing our numbers go up too and I know I don’t want another lockdown. We all need to keep up our vigilance with this virus so we can move forward, not backward, and get people like you working again. Wishing you all the best!

 

[Pumpkin1172]

@Pinkgurlshubby It has hit the tourism industry hard. I totally agree. The tourism industry world wide has taken a HUGE hit. It is going to take YEARS for it to recover. There is not going to be some easy fix for this at all.

I struggle with everything about the lock down. Was it right or was it a little too extreme? We needed to start opening up our economy again...or else risk having to go into a depression again...which would be way more devastating than this virus. In Alberta...we had more people die from drug overdoses, than from the virus, because access to certain programs were shut down. How many people died from NOT seeking medical treatment for major things like strokes and heart attacks because they waited too long for fear of going to the hospital where they could potentially get the virus and maybe die? How many people will suffer long with cancer or now die from it because treatments were stopped or not started in time. What about the mental health of people now?

I don't know what the right answer to all of this is. All I know is the ramifications for all of it are going to be felt for MANY years. No one could have predicted that this would have happened. Now we just have to hope that those in power can find creative ways to correct it instead of bickering back and forth in a parliament room

 

[Reepicheep]

We are starting to have some weird cases in Alberta of American tourists crossing into Canada under false pretenses. Americans from south of the border can enter Canada if they are driving to Alaska, if they promise to drive straight through with minimal stops. Unfortunately, we are starting to see American tourists using this as a loophole to enter Canada and visit Banff and other national parks. The RCMP is starting to hand out $1,200 tickets to any Americans who are caught abusing this rule:

American Tourists fined $1,200

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I've finally thrown in the towel on my Aug 1-15 trip to Disney World. We had reservations for a split stay, switching several times between All-Star Movies and Coronado Springs club level. Yesterday I cancelled my three All-Star Movies reservations, and I'll probably do the same for my remaining two Coronado Spring reservations in a week or two.

Since I have some unused 5 day tickets for Disneyland, I've been crossing my fingers and hoping that we could go to Anaheim for the last week in August, but with coronavirus getting out of control in California that is now a faint hope. In regards to US Disney trips, I think we're all going to be out of luck until the summer of 2021.

I find myself looking forward with an unreasonably large amount of anticipation to the day the two Edmonton Disney stores reopen and I can wander through the stores while listening to the Disney music being played over the store speakers. Maybe I'll feel better if I buy some over priced Disney merchandise, I guess we have to take our Disney fixes where ever we can find them.

We gave my youngest daughter the Lego Disney Castle for Christmas, and she plans to start construction within the next day or two. I'm actually looking forward to watching her build it. Watching her probably won't be as exciting as doing the new "Rise of the Resistance" ride, but better than nothing. She's starting to get into cooking and baking, so I'm going to see if I can convince her, over the course of the summer, to try out some of the recipes on the web for things like grey stuff and dole whips.

 

[Donald - my hero]

I was kind of wondering why Windsor/Essex didn't show any cases when I zoomed in. I had assumed they just didn't have the correct data, but aggregates make more sense. Even averaging those dots over the Canadian populace though, we'd be way lower than the States.... Mostly because we're way lower total population. Don't get me wrong, they're still pretty out of control over there, the other page that shows how whether or not they're flatting the curve showing a recent upsurge is proof of that, but any map that shows total cases only is always going to be skewed to be unfavourable to the countries with the higher population density.

True, and what needs to be taken into account for our 2 specific countries if you're only going to look at the direct correlation between population numbers is the following information
Cases per million in Canada is currently 2,709
Cases per million in USA is currently 7,425
Deaths per million in Canada is currently 225
Deaths per million in the USA is currently 375
** current as at midnight Greenwich mean time

I also understand and acknowledge that we need to also take into account that the population in the USA is closer together simply due to geographic size of their country and we know this virus is spread by close contact with other people.

And finally, i do NOT want to start a petty argument over this, it's just a personal bug-bear to me at the moment that there are far too many people looking at numbers without any context not implying that is what you were doing!!( sorta agreeing with you actually!

 

[Sue M]

@Pinkgurlshubby I’m so sorry for what you’re going thru

 

[TammyLynn33]

I get the problems this is causing but we here have had zero cases for a long time and bam we have a nail salon outbreak as of today . I know one friend and one of my daughters classmates who got her nails done for grade 8 grad were tested today .wejiat opened up and bam it’s going to get bad

 

[ottawamom]

I was shocke when I saw that story on the news. How things can change in an instant. This is one weird virus. We all need to remember not to ever let our guard down.

 

[tinkerone]

I get the problems this is causing but we here have had zero cases for a long time and bam we have a nail salon outbreak as of today . I know one friend and one of my daughters classmates who got her nails done for grade 8 grad were tested today .wejiat opened up and bam it’s going to get bad

Amherstview Golf Club has had a case as well. Someone who golfed there Monday night was positive and one of their employees who came into contact with them has tested positive as well. It's getting scary around here again.

 

[gskywalker]

I can't seem to find anything about this, what province is the nail salon outbreak happening in?

 

[bankr63]

Just to add a couple of resources to what @Donald - my hero posted, and I have posted the Johns Hopkins link here a couple of times as well, for the Canada visual go to: https://resources-covid19canada.hub.arcgis.com/app/eb0ec6ffdb654e71ab3c758726c55b68 This map allows you to zoom down to the county level where available (depends a bit on how the reporting unit aligns - may not be county if there are no county health units). For those in Ontario check out how the flattening battle goes at: https://howsmyflattening.ca/#/dashboard,

Note on the Johns Hopkins site that they added a USA specific page a couple of weeks ago. You can select it at the tabs on the top and from there select a specific state to see their current curve. Spoiler alert: don't look at Florida or you may decide to never return to Disney again...

 

[Silvermist999]

I can't seem to find anything about this, what province is the nail salon outbreak happening in?

The outbreak I heard about was at a Kingston, Ontario nail salon.

https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/covid-19-...weeks-after-ontario-entered-stage-2-1.4999698

 

[tinkerone]

I get the problems this is causing but we here have had zero cases for a long time and bam we have a nail salon outbreak as of today . I know one friend and one of my daughters classmates who got her nails done for grade 8 grad were tested today .wejiat opened up and bam it’s going to get bad

Plus we have Queens students coming back and they are from all over. At least its not a full campus but that could start another wave. I think the quiet time might be over for a bit.

 

[kittyab]

Travel insurance will not cover you if you catch COVID19. That alone will keep me home till there is a vaccine.

We are skipping this year, and when we can go, will plan a fabulous trip.