What's up with Skyauction?

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You used to get some incredible deals with skyauction. Now there's just nothing much to chose from. Most of what I saw was last minute travel for January. (Looking at Orlando area - 2 bedroom.) Does anyone know what's going on? Any other sites to get a 2 bedroom for around $250.00 to $300.00 or at least a great deal? :earsboy: TIA.
 
Yeah, the "great" deals are getting pretty slim. You can still find a few, but most are for last minute trips. I see they have re-designed their site as well. Oh, well it was fun while it lasted.
 
RCI the company that supplies the timeshare for skyauction - doesn't have many itself - especially in Feb, March, April.

now they do have some selection in their extra vacations - but the final call has nothing for Orlando.

I hope they release some of the extra vacations but if the resort owns that week - it will go back to the resort.

I am assuming that the resorts are complainting to RCI. RCI is an exchange company not a rental agency. So the resorts are finding other places to put their excess inventory so they can get the profits - not RCI/skyauction.

that is why (I think) that a bunch of these are showing up on
www.expedia.com
www.travelocity.com
and other internet travel sites.

RCI does not own these resorts (neither does skyauction) so they have no control over what the resorts do.

plus this spring break appears to be very, very popular!!! so I am expecting a bunch of people when I am there!

I really think in late April - when they start releasing May - skyauction will pick up again.

there are a bunch of places up north - but not alot in Orlando or Florida in general.
 

Thanks for the reply's everyone. We aren't going until January '07, (I know I'm really premature for looking now), and was starting to get concerned. :blush: I hope your right spiceycat - they'll release some more around May. :earsboy: I'll keep in mind the other site also!
 
January '07 - boy you are looking too early!!! try back in Nov/Dec/Jan for Jan'07....I know I big problem when you have to fly.

also look here

www.condodirect.com

this is II - they don't do the bidding like skyauction. so you will pay more.
 
It's worth it to reserve a cancellable backup in case skyauction doesn't release anything for you.

We're 2/25-3/4 this year, and are currently at Fantasy World. It's more than I would have paid through skyauction, but still a reasoanble deal---booked through hotelmartusa.com, with either a 48 or 72 hour cancellation policy (I'd have to look to be sure.)
 
How much luck do you all have when you reserve something that is refundable, (for a guaranteed place to stay), then look around a month before or a the month of your anticipated stay to book a vacation rental? Just curious having looked at what's available right now for next week on skyauction - it looks pretty incredible. Is this a good indication of what to expect next January? Sheraton Vistana with a $1.00 bid looks phenomenal to me!
 
yes - these are last minute cancelations from RCI.

I can drive to Orlando - but people who have to fly have a problem with these last minute stuff.
 
I am assuming that the resorts are complainting to RCI. RCI is an exchange company not a rental agency.
Nothing against anyone who uses skyauction. But I can tell you I wrote to Sheraton Vistana to complain about this about 2 months ago. Not sure my letter made any difference, but I feel these dirt cheap rates at my timeshare resort really cheapen the reputation of the resort and my investment. My maintenance fees had a sky-high jump there this year due to the hurricanes of 2004. It's "painful" to see people getting into my resort (and the newer sections) for such low prices----sometimes way less than my yearly maintenance fees. Had I known Vistana would sell weeks for so cheap back in '94, I never would have bought there. From an owner's perspective, I feel deceived.
Again, nothing against anyone who uses skyauction. I'm glad you're getting good deals, but I'll be honest and say I hope this becomes more difficult to do in the future, so as to protect the resale/investment of my timeshare. I don't mean to anger anyone here (honestly), but just wanted to voice my opinion on the subject.
I don't have as much problem with the real last-minute deals.
 
Maria,

What section in Vistana do you own? I really didn't notice any big increase in my maintenance fees this year. There was a substantial increase a few years ago (maybe three or four) but I think it has remained roughly the same since.

I've owned there since 1996 and I've never gone in January. I really don't have much problem with the off-season weeks being "sold off" at a lower price instead of sitting empty. I know that the resort incurs some fees for cleaning and the like.

If prime weeks are auctioned off, then that is a bit of a different story. Other than last minute cancellations, I wouldn't expect to see a lot of that.

I have kids in school, so don't get to travel off-season. If I could, I'd probably sell most of my timeshares and just rent myself.

Sheila
 
What section in Vistana do you own? I really didn't notice any big increase in my maintenance fees this year.
Hi Shelia,
My "home" base is the Vistana Beach Club ----I purchased back in '94, directly from the Orlando Vistana while staying there. They tried to sell us the Lakes (for $15-$18K) which was the newest at that time. We told them we liked the resort, but would not pay that amount. They came up with this defaulted deed/resale for $9,500. It was deeded at the Beach Club on Hutchinson Island but trades directly with the Fountains I and II section. They are considered "sister" resorts for Fountains owners. It is prime floating and no fees or lockout dates to trade into the Vistana Orlando so we purchased. I've never even stayed at the Beach Club, let alone seen it. The past 11 years we've always stayed in the Fountains. My annual dues shot up to $800 for this year and the next two due to the hurricanes. Got a letter a couple weeks ago. Normally we're about $565/year.
I really don't have much problem with the off-season weeks being "sold off" at a lower price instead of sitting empty.
I wouldn't mind either if at least they sold for the amount of yearly maintenance fees. I feel the resort's reputation is cheapened by 7 night weeks going for for $200-$300 which I've read numerous times on this board. People are getting this during the summer months as well which I don't consider "off season". I think I'd be much more ok with at least $500/week. Skyauction makes it a little more difficult for owners like us to demand a higher rate should we wish to rent out our weeks. I have done this only one time so far---in 2004 while we were caring for my terminally ill mil in our home. We knew we couldn't vacation that year and we told Vistana in May '04. They informed us they rented it by about July if I recall. Went through Vistana directly because we were too stressed to go and do it privately. We got a whopping $300 for it. Didn't even cover the maintenance fees. Even if we had done it privately, would we have gotten much more when more and more saavy travlers are out there and know about skyauction and websites like it ? I wouldn't rent from me if I knew I could get a week at Vistana for $200. It's great that people can get deals like this....I just think owners, like you and I, will pay a price for this down the line.

I would wonder if you would feel differently, say in a few years, if you saw you couldn't rent your week for very much. Then there's the whole issue of resale. Should we ever go to sell our deed, we may be lucky to get a few thousand at most for it. I watch the TUG boards and resales on ebay etc. Vistana seems to be selling for less and less every year. Then I would think this would also make the trading power of Vistana via RCI much weaker than it already is because the exchange companies are innundated with Orlando timeshares. You throw skyauction (as one example) into the pot with weeks going for under $400, I'd think the exchange power of our weeks will continue to drop ? For those that use skyauction, do (say for example), Marriott timeshare weeks go for low rents like the Vistana weeks do ? Just curious if Marriott lets weeks go for this cheap as well.

I'm just thankful I didn't buy for full price directly through the developer. I'm very glad we got a resale there. I'm also glad when we decided we wanted more timeshare weeks, we bought DVC in 2000. You don't see them on skyauction and when DVC rents the villas out to non Members, they keep the rental rates very competitive. You do see DVC occasionally on II, but that is far and few in between. Resales maintain the same high reputation.

I have school-age kids as well and we've often gone in off-season (Sept/Oct/Nov/Dec) on and off over the years. We plan around weeks when the kids have inservice days/holidays and it's never been a problem with our school district. But I know others have different circumstances or feel differently and I respect that.

I'm very tempted to sell our Vistana week before the value of it in the market plummets even more. I'd use the money to buy more DVC points. I wish I could feel as laid-back as you do about the Vistana skyauction weeks going for under $400, but it just worries me down the line. Sorry to get so winded on this topic. I understand there are some owners that may have no problems with weeks going for dirt cheap rates. Guess I sort of feel a little disillusioned with this aspect of Sheraton Vistana. I guess we have to be proactive and attempt to sell our deed and hope to not take too much of a wash.
 
I though that was one reason that Vistana now uses II.

II does not do this.

even on there getaways - they try to stay at the maintence fees - unless they receive permission from the resort to charge less.

www.condodirect.com

this site use to have Marriott - but Marriott complaints to II and they aren't listed any longer - I think Sheraton's vistana has also been removed from here.

that is why some of us like II better. they definitely listen to the resort. RCI could care less what the resorts though....

although I do love those last minute on RCI - when they have them.
 
MiaSRN62 said:
Nothing against anyone who uses skyauction. But I can tell you I wrote to Sheraton Vistana to complain about this about 2 months ago. Not sure my letter made any difference, but I feel these dirt cheap rates at my timeshare resort really cheapen the reputation of the resort and my investment. My maintenance fees had a sky-high jump there this year due to the hurricanes of 2004. It's "painful" to see people getting into my resort (and the newer sections) for such low prices----sometimes way less than my yearly maintenance fees. Had I known Vistana would sell weeks for so cheap back in '94, I never would have bought there. From an owner's perspective, I feel deceived.
Again, nothing against anyone who uses skyauction. I'm glad you're getting good deals, but I'll be honest and say I hope this becomes more difficult to do in the future, so as to protect the resale/investment of my timeshare. I don't mean to anger anyone here (honestly), but just wanted to voice my opinion on the subject.
I don't have as much problem with the real last-minute deals.


I know what you mean. I have a week 6 Westgate Vacation Villas timeshare that when I deposit it it will be a flex change deposit (meaning I have to be inside of 60 days...no big deal...almost anything I want is inside of 60 days to get). I thought about trying to rent it since it seems to be in a popular time period...7 days starting Feb 12th...but I don't see any point in bothering. With Skyauction and others of its ilk having gotten people used to cheap amounts of money for this type of accomodations it would take way too long to negotiate with people to get even just the maintenance fee for the unit...let alone the amount it is realistically worth given the tight market down in Orlando for February.

On the other hand if I split the unit and deposit it I can easily get a two bedroom for the one bedroom side because it sleeps 6. I've even gotten two bedrooms for the studio when trading on short notice....I'm not sure why. And it trades just fine into the non-summer seasons at Hilton Head.

I really do hope the resorts tighten up on this and figure out ways to better market themselves just to drive up the rental rate to the maintenance fee level. Westgate really bugs me on this one because I think they do have enough inventory in Orlando to do owner rentals. And in fact I suspect they DO rentals but only in such a way to rip the maximum amount off from the owner.

So oh well some last minute person is going to get a lucky trade for week 6.
 
that is why some of us like II better. they definitely listen to the resort. RCI could care less what the resorts though....
I agree Pat. II is a relatively newer (positive) addition to the Sheraton Vistana options for exchange companies.
Thanks for the info on the Marriott timeshares too. I had a feeling they weren't anywhere as easy to get as Vistana is for dirt cheap. I think the Marriott reputation/investment will remain stronger because of this down the line.

I really do hope the resorts tighten up on this and figure out ways to better market themselves just to drive up the rental rate to the maintenance fee level.
Agreed doubletrouble.
 
Westgate doesn't care about owners.

or THEY wouldn't consist underprice us - when they offer to the public.

plus they are just sharks....

they will hound you to death!

I now know through tug how to deal with these......

but there are still people who don't understand what jerks Westgate is.

so they continue to sell...

the next last I was there I was told I won't be able to check out with out going to the maintence (yea like Westgate cares) meeting - sales pitch - I was so mad that the sales person and his manager - let me go after 10 minutes. then the darn door was locked - the manager apologized and let me out....but still the nerve of these people.

on Westgate uses skyauction BIG TIME.

see why your Westgate is not worth what you paid for it....
 
I was told I won't be able to check out with out going to the maintence (yea like Westgate cares) meeting - sales pitch - I was so mad that the sales person and his manager - let me go after 10 minutes. then the darn door was locked - the manager apologized and let me out....but still the nerve of these people.
Wow Pat ! I knew Westgate could be ruthless, but this scenario puts a whole new spin on the way I see them now. Sorry you were put through this. Unbelievable......borders on illegal and definitely unethical.

Westgate uses skyauction BIG TIME. see why your Westgate is not worth what you paid for it....
And this supports my point......repeated skyauction (dirt cheap) rentals will continue to devalue any resort.
 
Marriott and Disney/DVC guard their brands really well. Another reason why I felt more comfortable buying into DVC. I wouldn't mind owning Marriott, too (maybe some day).

My parents and brother and sister own various timeshares that trade through II. So I see the prices on II Getaway weeks through my mom's membership in II. On II's Getaway weeks you might see Marriott's Cypress Harbour go for $724.00 in May, not $250 bucks for the week (I think that would be a slap in the face for an owner to see). At least $724 is closer to the maintenance fee that an owner would have to pay to keep that resort up. I think II is protecting the timeshare owner better than RCI these days. RCI may end up losing a lot of nice brands if they keep it up (they probably already have lost a lot). Just my opinion.
 
It doesn’t matter what any of these companies do. The end result is going to be the same. Right now there is a glut of suite accommodations in the Orlando area. Except for a few weeks each year, supply far outstrips demand for these units. Ultimately that is what is causing these incredible deals. Skyauction didn’t create this situation, they are just taking advantage of it.

Now, these resorts can attempt to safeguard their perceived worth by charging more (or by ensuring rental prices at least match maintenance fees) but it won’t work. Vistana may be a better resort than Joe’s Hideaway down the street, but if Joe’s offers rooms for a low enough price people will hold their nose and book there instead. That’s the way the market works. Ultimately Vistana and every other resort out there will do exactly that which brings in the most money. Offering rooms for cheap isn’t what these guys want to do, but it brings in far more money than having these same suites go un-rented at a higher price.

I know its hard to accept, but the last thing you want as an owner is for these companies to stop considering the bottom line. The best way to protect your investment is to make sure these resorts generate as much revenue as possible. This revenue is what will ensure your units are faithfully maintained and updated. A futile attempt to buck current market conditions (by charging more than they can get) will not work and will result in less revenue for the resort. And that will impact how well your units are looked after. Which in turn will affect the future value of your investments.
 
I know its hard to accept, but the last thing you want as an owner is for these companies to stop considering the bottom line. The best way to protect your investment is to make sure these resorts generate as much revenue as possible.
MossMan,
Alot of what you said makes sense, but if skyauction is the way Vistana is generating more money and thus "protecting my investment", then I don't get it. Years ago, Vistana had a much better reputation. The more I see these dirt cheap skyauction rentals, the lower the value of my investment seems to be going. I feel my investment is way less protected now than 5-7 years ago when these internet auction sites weren't going on. I'm sure Marriott has vacancies currently, but they don't seem to resort to such ways of bringing in a few bucks and their value/reputation stands stronger than Sheraton Vistana from what I've noticed over the past 5-7 years particularily. I just don't feel renting out a week during the summer (hardly what I'd consider low season) at Vistana for $200 or $300 is protecting my investment. I feel ripped-off to tell you the truth. While I love the resort and we always enjoy our stays there, I can't say these low rentals are making me want to continue owning there because I feel the resort's rep is slipping. I can't help but feel this way when I look at the big picture.
 












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