What's up w/MS?

[jarestel]

But I'd think the could also impose cancellation fees and multiple reservation fees if they really wanted though I don't see it happening.

If DVC wanted to pick up the cost of the phones and the CMs working the phones, I would agree they COULD institute penalties if they chose to go down that path. But as long as the members are paying the freight, I agree it's highly unlikely they would do this. It doesn't matter to DVC how many times a member calls to make reservations or cancellations since there's no cost to them

As I said before, there's no benefit in this for DVC so where there's no benefit, there's probably no action.

 

[Dean]

If DVC wanted to pick up the cost of the phones and the CMs working the phones, I would agree they COULD institute penalties if they chose to go down that path. But as long as the members are paying the freight, I agree it's highly unlikely they would do this. It doesn't matter to DVC how many times a member calls to make reservations or cancellations since there's no cost to them

As I said before, there's no benefit in this for DVC so where there's no benefit, there's probably no action.

Other than if members start complain about the fees, as well as the fact they discuss fees as part of their sales spiel. I'm sure they budget for the MS portion and if those costs start getting out of line, expect some changes.

 

[jarestel]

Other than if members start complain about the fees, as well as the fact they discuss fees as part of their sales spiel. I'm sure they budget for the MS portion and if those costs start getting out of line, expect some changes.

If they become concerned about these kinds of costs, the implementation of on-line bookings is a better way to decrease these types of expenditures rather than the imposition of fees and restrictions on the membership. Maybe one day...

 

[boatboatboat]

It doesn't matter to DVC how many times a member calls to make reservations or cancellations since there's no cost to them

sure it matters. HIGH fees make it harder to sell new units, and from a current owners perspective make my re-sale worth less.

 

[jarestel]

It doesn't matter to DVC how many times a member calls to make reservations or cancellations since there's no cost to them

sure it matters. HIGH fees make it harder to sell new units, and from a current owners perspective make my re-sale worth less.

I hate to break the news, but DVC has absolutely zero interest in your resale prospects. They have your initial money and that's all that they care about, since they don't get involved in resales other than ROFR when the price is right. As far as fees go, DVC is already quite high compared to the average timeshare. Maintenance and upkeep are far greater portions of your dues component than phone calls.

 

[boatboatboat]

I hate to break the news, but DVC has absolutely zero interest in your resale prospects.
then why do they ROFF contracts that are priced to low? They very much want re-sale prices to remain VERY VERY high, so that they are able to justify new contract sales.

 

[jarestel]

I hate to break the news, but DVC has absolutely zero interest in your resale prospects.
then why do they ROFF contracts that are priced to low? They very much want re-sale prices to remain VERY VERY high, so that they are able to justify new contract sales.

You answered your own question. So they can continue to sell points at a premium price. It's actually a very brilliant strategy. They artificially keep the selling price high until they've sold all of their inventory and then let the prices seek their true level. Whoever thought of ROFR was a marketing genius!

 

[boatboatboat]

I hate to break the news, but DVC has absolutely zero interest in your resale prospects


make up your mind.........

do they want re-sale prices to be high or low?

 

[jarestel]

I hate to break the news, but DVC has absolutely zero interest in your resale prospects


make up your mind.........

do they want re-sale prices to be high or low?

Well, the question is fairly silly, but I'll play. Your individual resale has no value to DVC as long as they control the price range you're allowed to sell it in. And they do that with ROFR.

 

[boatboatboat]

Disney would LOVE for re-sale contracts to be bringing 100 dollars a point.

 

[jarestel]

Disney would LOVE for re-sale contracts to be bringing 100 dollars a point.

Looks like we agree after all. Because that would mean that new contracts could be sold for $120 per point. But it wasn't long ago that resale contracts sold in the 60s and low 70s. They don't now. Because the "new" points price has increased, the floor for ROFR has increased as well. And so it will continue as long as there are new DVC units to sell. I'm telling you, that ROFR person was a genius!

 

[boatboatboat]

we agreed from the start. That is why i posted :"They very much want re-sale prices to remain VERY VERY high, so that they are able to justify new contract sales."

 

[jarestel]

we agreed from the start. That is why i posted :"They very much want re-sale prices to remain VERY VERY high, so that they are able to justify new contract sales."

We disagreed on whether the cost of phone calls would prevent someone from buying into DVC. I didn't think it would.

 

[boatboatboat]

More calls=higher fees=higher buy in cost (re-sale or direct)=less buyers

With that being said, I am sure that the cost of MS is a very small % of the overall total per pt dues we pay, but it IS a factor.

 

[jarestel]

More calls=higher fees=higher buy in cost (re-sale or direct)=less buyers

With that being said, I am sure that the cost of MS is a very small % of the overall total per pt dues we pay, but it IS a factor.

Absolutely agree! The cost of dues over 40 years will dwarf the initial purchase price, no matter what. Salaries and maintenance costs will increase and dues will go up almost every year. As I said, DVC is not cheap relative to the average timeshare. There's a certain expectation level that needs to be met and that will cost $$$. DVC isn't for those who are looking to squeeze a buck, I think it's safe to say.

You know, I never thought people would pay $80 per point to buy into DVC, but they've gone way past that. So as long as demand is there, people will buy, no matter what the price.

 

[boatboatboat]

I am starting to think renting pts is the way to go.

I was looking to add 100 pts, but now think, I would be $ ahead just to pay 1k a year and rent or transfer them to me. The price to rent hasn't gone up in 4-5 years, while the price to buy has gone up alot. As more and more people own, we will see more and more people who can't afford the travel cost the taxes/dues and park tickets, and food, so they will have to rent their points out, just to pay the annual ownership cost.

 

[Dean]

If they become concerned about these kinds of costs, the implementation of on-line bookings is a better way to decrease these types of expenditures rather than the imposition of fees and restrictions on the membership. Maybe one day...

Maybe, maybe not. But I don't see an online booking system being feasible on a day by day basis anyway. Plus, no reason the two would be mutually exclusive. Instituting limits and fees WOULD save money where an online system might or might not.

 

[Slakk]

My first trip as a DVC member I called on day one and tried to do day by day. I was told I could not do this - I had to wait until the final day of my trip. I was told there was plenty of BW view available so not to worry.

So I waited and imagine my surprise when all I could get was waterview. Where had all those rooms gone??

Then I found Disboards and learned how to make reservations and now I do day by day and guess what I GET WHAT I WANT.

Works for me.