What the HECK is going on???!!

[Doctor P]

Haven't read the whole thread, so if this is repetitive I apologize. With the price of points, both direct and resale, accelerating upwards quickly over the past few years, and dues continuing to increase, the ability to hold rental rates down should be decreased as owners' basis will be increasing, so even if someone is just trying to recover out of pocket costs, it will be harder and harder to do that at the lower rental rates. You are at a minimum of $7.00 a point out of pocket costs without financing for BCV right now and even OKW is approaching $7.00 for someone who buys in resale right now. So even if people ask for and expect bargains, they will hopefully not be as forthcoming.

 

[heaven2dc]

I will say this thread has some posts that illustrate what I find to be really true of this board. Of all the boards on the DIS this one has the "attitude" Folks on here can be INCREDIBLY rude. If you don'l like a DVC resort prepare to be TRASHED... I have watched folks that I know personally be driven off because they didn't like SSR for example. (One of them got HATE PMS calling her names are banned on the site!) I have had some absolutly HORRID PMs because I don't agree that a handicapped room is the WORST thing that ever happens to you in your life (and if that's the worst that ever happens, you live a charmed life get down on your knees and thank someone!)

I have been really attacked here. Luckily I have the ability to remember that I don't really know most of you...

The only folks that bother me on these boards are those renting for "resale" and using "sob stories', but a little research can find them. I did post some points for rent. One of these folks contacted me. I just pulled up thier past posts and after reading I contacted them and said I didn't think we could work togehter... I gave no reason and that was the end of it.

I didn't mean to come across with an "attitude" at all. I am truly appreciative of all the DVC owners, was not trying to use a sob story at all. I guess I will just PM those who've offered to rent points to me so far at the rates they ask, and if I have questions about the rooms, views, dining plans, etc., I will ask when I get there. I hope you don't get attacked any more on here, and if you do rent out points, it is to someone like myself who will be delighted to do business with a DVC owner who enjoys being one.

 

[Dean]

Hi, I guess I'm one of those newbie "bottom feeders" that is making some DVC members angry. I have asked a few questions about renting for my honeymoon such as the typical owner policy on changing reservations. However, I can assure you that the price we are paying is no where near a value or moderate price. We were originally booked for 11 nights at POR but then decided to do the same # of nights at a DVC and it is over $1,000 dollars more just for the room! I apologize if I was asking too many questions but I think "bottom feeder" is just a little bit hurtful

Don't worry about it. Asking the question is OK. However, there is a small group of leeches that troll this and several other sites for very low rentals. Frankly, I don't mind them asking for the cheap, it's the deceit that bothers me. Especially when someone trying to rent wants to preach why they are only worth $5 per point while looking for points to rent as the troll on DVC talk was a year or two ago.

 

[MagicForMe]

Maybe it's just me and I'm watching these boards too much, but it seems like there is a sudden rash of people

• offering $9/point during spring break or the holidays
• trying to get spring break
• angry because they can't get into HHI for this summer
• wanting adjoining studios
• saying they are planning on a budget or moderate resort but heard this was cheaper
• asking about how they can cancel or change ressies if they rent

Even want to get a standard and then get a free "upgrade". It's not enough of a good deal? I know people aren't DVC savvy if they aren't members, but it used to seem like people did a little research. And if I see the term "DVC" and "cheap" in the same sentence one more time - yikes! What's going on? Is someone handing out flyers about renting?

Ok rant over, I'll be quiet now.

Wow! Where's that 'holier than thou' icon? "It's not enough of a good deal?" you ask. Well let me tell you that works both ways - contrary to your preachy post which gives the impression that DVCers are renting points as a humanitarian act of incredible human kindness, what they are actually doing is transacting a business deal, nothing more, nothing less. They rent points to either a) help pay their dues, b) help pay their re-financing, c) get them out of a fix because they've let the use-by year catch up with them or d) similar to c except they've had to cancel a vacation they intended using themselves. All fine reasons to rent. So yes it is a good deal ON BOTH SIDES. It provides affordable accommodationt to the rentee and it finances the renter.

if the option of renting did not exist or was not allowed you would have a whole lot of renters losing a whole lotta points.

your post suggests ingratitude on the part of the rentee and a lack of humility for the wondrous godly act divined unto them by the DVC saints but I put it to you that YOU too and all renters should show gratitude and appreciation to the rentee for providing the opportunity to see your points used.

That's it. My rant is over too. let the flames begin.

 

[calypso*a*go-go]

I didn't mean to come across with an "attitude" at all.

I don't think CarolA was directing that comment to you.

 

[newfamilyman]

If I want to rent my points for $1 each, I will do it.

I don't know that I will ever rent my points out, but I know that I want the option of doing so. People who lowball the value of their rental points are doing everybody, including themselves, a disservice. If we all agree to the (dare I say it) consensus of $10/point, then we all benefit. Why is the concept of being "stronger together" so difficult for people to understand?

 

[heaven2dc]

I don't think CarolA was directing that comment to you.

I hope not!! Maybe I'm too sensitive and have decided to stay away from this thread since I am. I hope to rent points for a trip in October from a DVC owner who loves being one and if my silly questions offend anyone, I don't mean them to. I have no clue what's involved when renting a standard or preferred, how the dining works when you do rent points and just generally how the whole process goes.

I don't think it is fair either for rentee's to ask DVC owners to rent below what is fair. I realize the owners are using the renting system to pay dues, upkeep, etc. and I really appreciate and am excited that I can be given the opportunity to stay at someplace like BWV instead of the value resorts no matter which room I'm in.

 

[DisFlan]

I don't know that I will ever rent my points out, but I know that I want the option of doing so. People who lowball the value of their rental points are doing everybody, including themselves, a disservice. If we all agree to the (dare I say it) consensus of $10/point, then we all benefit. Why is the concept of being "stronger together" so difficult for people to understand?

An "unspoken consensus" on $10 a point is fine (which is pretty much what's been happening for a long time). If it's made as a stated group decision, I believe it's not allowed. It may even be illegal.

An owner shouldn't/can't be coerced to rent their points for a certain price. They OWN those points. It's their decision.


DisFlan

 

[krdisneybound]

I don't know that I will ever rent my points out, but I know that I want the option of doing so. People who lowball the value of their rental points are doing everybody, including themselves, a disservice. If we all agree to the (dare I say it) consensus of $10/point, then we all benefit. Why is the concept of being "stronger together" so difficult for people to understand?

You will never in a million years get all owners to agree to 10 pp. as a whole

just my .02 cents

 

[Doctor P]

If transfers were correctly managed according to the rules, many of the issues with respect to renting of points would be reduced (in particular, transfers with the intention of renting the received points).

 

[DisFlan]

You will never in a million years get all owners to agree to 10 pp. as a whole

just my .02 cents

So true, so true. Especially here.


DisFlan

 

[CarolA]

I don't think CarolA was directing that comment to you.

I was NOT directing the comment at anyone on this thread. I was saddened to read the comment by someone that the responses to her posts had been rude... I know it's true because it has happened to me.... (Someone actually asked when I was going to be at Disney so they could "break my leg" so I would need the handicapped room!!! NICE!!! Of course, I figured they would enjoy thier vacation in the Orange County jail)

You know I was once told by a former CM that some of the worst guests are AP holders and DVC members. And why? There is a sub culture of both groups who have "I paid Disney a LOT of money and they OWE me" attitude. And I have seen proof both in my experiences at Disney and here. It's one reason I rarely wear any of the DVC member items or AP pins for example... I don't want to be tarred by the same brush.

 

[JollyHoliday]

Selling and renting is a business transaction.No renters equals no sellers.No sellers equals no renters.Alot of TRUST is involed.If someone does not respect me then I can not TRUST them.If you don't like an offer just move on to the next.All this belittling and name calling of renters could actually be scaring them away.

 

[DisFlan]

You know I was once told by a former CM that some of the worst guests are AP holders and DVC members. And why? There is a sub culture of both groups who have "I paid Disney a LOT of money and they OWE me" attitude. And I have seen proof both in my experiences at Disney and here. It's one reason I rarely wear any of the DVC member items or AP pins for example... I don't want to be tarred by the same brush.

I was surprised by this, too. Last Oct. when we were at BWV during Wilma, I went down to the desk to sign up for the lunch being served while we were stuck inside the resort. It was a whole $15 and worth every penny. The guy in front of me was giving the CM trouble and complaining loudly that "as much as I paid for this place, this lunch should be FREE!" He grabbed his cc back and huffed off.

I stepped up, smiled at the CM and said that I'd like to pay for our lunches. She rolled her eyes and grinned back at me. It's not like she had any control over the storm or the lunch cost, and the guy had been incredibly rude to her. CMs should get purple hearts for services cheerfully rendered to nasty folks.

If I ever feel like complaining about anything at a DVC resort, I'll think about this guy and remember how awful he was.

DisFlan

 

[jarestel]

You know I was once told by a former CM that some of the worst guests are AP holders and DVC members. And why? There is a sub culture of both groups who have "I paid Disney a LOT of money and they OWE me" attitude.

This may be true, but there's also another sub-culture of Disney fanatics who feel it's unreasonable for others to insist that Disney be held accountable for providing agreed upon goods and services in clean and usable condition. I guess the fanatics have the "You OWE Disney for letting you spend your money here" attitude.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Selling and renting is a business transaction.No renters equals no sellers.No sellers equals no renters.Alot of TRUST is involed.If someone does not respect me then I can not TRUST them.If you don't like an offer just move on to the next.All this belittling and name calling of renters could actually be scaring them away.

Sounds good to me. I mean, scaring them away.

Owning DVC is not a business arrangement. It's a prepaid vacation plan for the owner.

 

[superdiz]

I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in here. I'm a renter for the first time this year and I am so appreciative that DVC owners were willing to rent the points to us. The people I dealt with were respectful to me and extremely helpful in my decision making process. They made me more excited about my trip. I fully plan on taking good care of the grounds and room because I feel it is a reflection on them since I'm renting under their good name.

If I were a DVC owner, I would appreciate the opportunity to rent to a non-DVC member not only to make a bit of money back for dues and things of that nature, but because I know how it feels to be on the opposite side of the equation. We're getting married and paying for the wedding ourselves and because of these people, we are staying for the first time in a deluxe resort, making our honeymoon all the more special. It's the most exciting vacation we are ever going to take for a number of reasons.

I'm thankful that the rental process is out there. And I hope you know there are renters who truly appreciate the process.

 

[Johnnie Fedora]

If you want more than $10/pt, you can book a desirable time/resort and rent the reservation, not the points. It is the only fair way to cost compare with what a renter could get from CRO.

 

[krdisneybound]

If transfers were correctly managed according to the rules, many of the issues with respect to renting of points would be reduced (in particular, transfers with the intention of renting the received points).

If a DVC member gets points transferred into their account and later down the road rents them to a non-DVC'er or otherwise, there is no harm in it. It doesn't even matter how the points were acquired - it is their option to do with them what they wish. Our contract is broad enough, lest more language be put in to limit how we use them after they are in our account. What a horror that would be

Many people buy into DVC after renting points from a DVC member

P.S. I am sure there are instances where a family can spend a one time amount of money for a vacation for DVC thru DVC points, but no for a complete membership.

 

[Doctor P]

If a DVC member gets points transferred into their account and later down the road rents them to a non-DVC'er or otherwise, there is no harm in it. It doesn't even matter how the points were acquired - it is their option to do with them what they wish. Our contract is broad enough, lest more language be put in to limit how we use them after they are in our account. What a horror that would be

Many people buy into DVC after renting points from a DVC member

I really don't think you understand the circumstances I am talking about, or perhaps you are one of the owners who abuses the system. I'm talking about the rule that transferred points maintain their home resort and use year. I think it is very problematic that you have commercial renters out there who are able to take advantage of a system that allows them to get points transferred to their account that are expiring (e.g., they have an April use year at BCV, and get points transferred in mid-May from a June use year at HH for example) for a rock bottom price, convert them to their own home resort and use year (or in some cases their choice of home resort or use year) thereby having the points change both use years and resorts (and increasing the value of the points in the process) and rent them out for an increase of $5 or more per point in a profit making endeavor. I want to make this clear that this is not a situation that is in my imagination. It is very real and has, indeed, happened with points of mine. The system is the problem in this case. If I transferred my points and they retained my home resort and use year, I agree that it is really none of my business what is done with the points after that (except as an owner in general who expects compliance with the prohibiition on commercial renting which is spelled out in our documents and includes the example of ongoing and repeated and recurring patterns of heavy rental activity). Transfers, as implemented, have created a relatively risk free profit making opportunity that, in my opinion, should be closed off.