What makes a responsible adult?? spinoff thread

eliza61

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What are some attributes that go into raising a responsible adult?? Just kicking around thoughts after participating in another thread.

How much of raising a responsible adult is about money?

If you're rich and you kids get the college paid for does that translate into an "irresponsible" "coddle" adult?
If you can't help your kid at all financially, does that mean they go to the head of the class in the "responsibility"
If I have a mortgage but go buy myself $700 Jimmy choo's am I a wreck?
If I don't save for retirement but give a bunch of money and time to charity, does that make me stupid or a saint?
Is it age dependent or action dependent?

Disclaimer: the author of this question in no way infers, implies, suggest or advocates any specific way of parenting over the other.
 
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I think a responsible adult is someone who can make sound decisions and take care of their business.

I think even the most responsible people make questionable decisions such as the mortgage scenario you pose. If it comes to foreclosure/late fees etc vs shoes then the person who chooses the mortgage is more responsible to me. Is someone wants to live off of Oodles of Noodles for a month to get said shoes, but still pays their bills I don't think they are irresponsible.
 
I think a responsible adult is someone who can make sound decisions and take care of their business.

I think even the most responsible people make questionable decisions such as the mortgage scenario you pose. If it comes to foreclosure/late fees etc vs shoes then the person who chooses the mortgage is more responsible to me. Is someone wants to live off of Oodles of Noodles for a month to get said shoes, but still pays their bills I don't think they are irresponsible.
This sums up my thoughts as well.
 
What are some attributes that go into raising a responsible adult?? Just kicking around thoughts after participating in another thread.

How much of raising a responsible adult is about money?
partial, but not the entirety. responsibility goes way beyond money and finances but I do believe it's an important component.

If you're rich and you kids get the college paid for does that translate into an "irresponsible" "coddle" adult?
I don't think so. I know kids who get their college paid for by their parents, kids who get it paid for by financial aid, kids who get it paid for through work and student loans-seems like irresponsibility is not impacted by the source.

If you can't help your kid at all financially, does that mean they go to the head of the class in the "responsibility"
nope-b/c I see way too many who are only looking at the short term, and not thinking about how their decisions to take on horrendous student debt will impact their/future partner/children's lives.

If I have a mortgage but go buy myself $700 Jimmy choo's am I a wreck?
how do you define 'wreak'? if it makes you an emotional wreak it's probably not a wise decision, if it means you can't pay your other obligations and makes a 'wreak' of your finances-again probably not a wise decision. if it doesn't have a negative impact on you or those you are RESPONSIBLE to and for-it's fine.

If I don't save for retirement but give a bunch of money and time to charity, does that make me stupid or a saint?
in my opinion-neither. people make their own choices and I'm fine with that. what I'm not fine with is when people opt to do this and then complain publicly that they are unable to provide for their/children's needs (I'm a firm believer in the meaning behind 'charity begins at home').

Is it age dependent or action dependent?
ACTION, ACTION, ACTION! you have only to read the postings on the diz to see how many families struggle to deal with the irresponsible decisions made by older family members that are now negatively impacting multiple younger generations. one would hope that w/age comes wisdom but that's sadly not always the case.




 

One thing that is huge IMO about raising a kid with an eye to turning out a responsible adult is teaching them choices have consequences, and then demonstrating to them some consequences are more permanent or long lasting than others. It can start out with a very young child being very determined they want to wear a certain outfit or item of clothing and coming to understand their choice means they're uncomfortable or make it difficult to play or their favorite princess play dress is stained. Maybe they simply have to bring their favorite stuffed animal to MK and promise they will be the one to carry it. They get a little older and have accepted the invite to a friend's birthday party and suddenly another friend is having a huge pool party the same day they would rather go to.

Making them fully responsible for the choices and the consequences as early as possible hopefully gets the message across clearly that they need to think about what choices they make in life because they will be living with the results.
 
It is most certainly not all about money matters. Money matters are part of the overall picture of being taught and learning that actions have consequences, that some decisions are indeed better than others, how to weigh one's needs and wishes against those of others, how to set priorities and devise a plan to achieve goals.

I know kids who got a free ride through college and are totally responsible and I know kids who had to earn their way through and spent their time partying or chose degrees that will not get them jobs. I really haven't seen a direct causal relationship between being given money and making bad choices. In many cases, it's just immaturity. In other cases, it's because the parents were unwilling or unable to provide guidance. In yet other cases, it's because the kids grew up in an environment where logic, working to achieve goals, setting priorities, and making necessary sacrifices were not modeled or explicitly explained to the kids. Too many parents think their kids will learn complicated life lessons, like about money or career preparation, through osmosis or have the attitude that the only way to learn is by screwing up, so they refuse to teach them anything.
 
This is such a hard question to answer in a way that will make sense to anybody else because everybody has different values. Our goal in raising a son we'll be proud of does not have his financial success at the top of the list. Money management is certainly a visible measure of what we tend to think of as mature judgement and responsibility but it doesn't tell the whole story.

Speaking in generalities, we want our child to develop into a person who is capable of executing the decisions he makes and living with the consequences of them (both financially and otherwise) independently, and that he will make those decisions with the best interest of everyone potentially involved in mind, not just himself. That doesn't mean that we or others would never offer help (and love and moral support is a given), but if he fails we will not rush to the rescue nor should he ever put a plan in place expecting that. We want his character to be measured by more than just money and for him to be honest in his dealings, not consumed with acquiring things or status, community-minded and sensitive to the needs of others around him and generous with what he has even if it means sacrifice. We've tried to model all these qualities and are now, at his age of 18, trying to transition him away from the sense of entitlement that I think comes naturally during childhood in our (relatively) affluent society.

To your questions in specific:
If you're rich and you kids get the college paid for does that translate into an "irresponsible" "coddle" adult?
Not necessarily. Many parents, even those that are not rich, have planned to finance their kid's college. Perhaps it's been understood the child's whole live and as such, having to provide this for themselves is something that they can't even imagine doing. If those circumstances lead to the child failing to value the opportunity and waste the time and resources because they don't have any "skin in the game", then yes - that's irresponsible.
If you can't help your kid at all financially, does that mean they go to the head of the class in the "responsibility"
Not sure if it will make them all successful at it but it definitely results in a higher level of self-sufficiency.
If I have a mortgage but go buy myself $700 Jimmy choo's am I a wreck?
Not to me. Personally I can't fathom being completely debt-free (ie: without a mortgage) and I don't imagine 99.9% of the population are there either. Life needs to go on in a way that balances lifestyle enhancements with fulfilling your obligations (although I can say that if $700 would retire my mortgage I'd do that instead of buying shoes :laughing:).
If I don't save for retirement but give a bunch of money and time to charity, does that make me stupid or a saint?
Generosity is a very high value of ours. We would greatly respect someone that impoverished themselves in sacrificial giving as long as they were prepared to live in the extremely modest circumstances that are the result. We know people who are in this position and have waaaay higher esteem for them than we do for those who are extremely prosperous and don't believe in giving.
Is it age dependent or action dependent?
Sooner or later it has to become a matter of age. For example, our DS will be finished college and have every possible opportunity to do what he needs to do to be independent by age 25. Unless the circumstances are extremely extenuating, we expect him to to be out of our home and on his own by then.
 


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