What do you have to lose

[Christine]

I've read a few articles stating that COVID19 is resulting in heart problems including the virus attacking the cells in the heart, or even your own immune response attacking the heart.
That is also attacks other organs.
Just putting that out there. It seems we are damned if we do, damned if we don't with this virus and it's "treatments".

I just read a pretty scary one on the new findings about clotting. Seems to be the #3 cause of death in COVID patients and they are just now catching on to it.

Here's a link to it. Don't read it if you want to stay in a good mood! https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/22/coronavirus-blood-clots/

 

[Hikergirl]

I just read a pretty scary one on the new findings about clotting. Seems to be the #3 cause of death in COVID patients and they are just now catching on to it.

Here's a link to it. Don't read it if you want to stay in a good mood! https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/22/coronavirus-blood-clots/

Yes, I read that one too. I have always been paranoid about blood clots, this info didn't help!

 

[Heather07438]

Here is the database of 795 covid19 trials tracked thru clinicaltrials.gov and the NIH.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?cond=COVID-19
On the left are filters. If you look at hydroxychloroquine there are 120 trials.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=Hydroxychloroquine&cond=COVID-19Dosage (many variations and time lines), prophylaxis, drug combinations, etc.

There's a big picture out there. I'm also curious about
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BCG_vaccinehttps://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=BCG&cond=COVID-19

 

[Heather07438]

Clotting is scary but the finding also holds promise toward more understanding.

 

[ddkkanders]

You can’t assume that hydroxycloroquine will even be available. It is currently in short supply and people who need it for a proven reason such as lupus are having a hard time getting their prescription filled.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...virus-creates-shortage-lupus-drug/5129896002/

 

[Heather07438]

Just to be clear I posted the trials only to show the array being conducted worldwide.
Importantly dosage is the focus of many. It's still uncertain territory.

I think patients who previously use hydroxychloroquine should get priority to the supply.

 

[cabanafrau]

I really feel for the medical professionals scrambling to find a way to help patients in the throes of the battle with this virus. I've been hearing secondhand that teams treating patients in the same timeframe who have very similar health profiles and seemingly on similar paths with the virus and receiving the same protocols of care have frequently and inexplicably taken very divurging paths fighting the virus, quite often very unexpectedly for the doctors. They feel like they have patients stabilized, sometimes even on the path to recovery and one suddenly develops uncontrollable complications while the similar patient continues to recover. Or both patients at different stages in the process suddenly develop very severe, and completely different complications.

I've heard this from friends and family who have friends and family working in different hospitals in our metro area. Apparently it's gotten very wearing for a lot of the medical teams to think that they're making progress and they're learning ways to do battle, only to have it go severely out of control very quickly. It's hard to keep morale high when they feel like they're ineffective and what they thought they learned doesn't hold up.

 

[Notrealname]

In the VA study, treatment included hydroxychloroquine for 97 of those patients, 113 received hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin, and 158 received standard care.

Other than from the “zinc fixes everything“ crowd, where did that come from?

 

[luvsJack]

What is ridiculous is that people take medical advice from politicians and celebrities. I would prefer to take medical advice from medical experts. Not some talking head spouting off complete nonsense, lies, and fabrications.

The person you quoted never mentioned celebrities or politicians. And in fact did mention doctors. So not sure what you are referring to here.

 

[MillauFr]

The person you quoted never mentioned celebrities or politicians. And in fact did mention doctors. So not sure what you are referring to here.

I think we need to be very careful about taking the advice of the doctors that show up on cable tv "news" as well. Many of them do not have more knowledge of the virus than the typical DisBoards poster. They are on those programs to solely entertain people. Some don't even have a license to practice medicine. Yet there they are giving questionable advice and sometimes even promoting medical products of questionable benefits. Not cool.

Don't get me started on celebrities. There must be something in the water out there in Hollywood that causes them to lose brain cells.

 

[godisney14]

I've read a few articles stating that COVID19 is resulting in heart problems including the virus attacking the cells in the heart, or even your own immune response attacking the heart.
That is also attacks other organs.
Just putting that out there. It seems we are damned if we do, damned if we don't with this virus and it's "treatments".

For me, if I'm at death's door- try whatever you want because I truly have nothing else to lose at that point.

The virus binds to the ACE2 protein, which are located on the cell surface of tissues in practically all organs, in particular the lungs, heart, kidney, and small intestines, and lining the blood vessels.

ACE2 is found in abundance in older patients, males, and people with pre-existing conditions such as heart disease, diabetes and kidney diseases. ACE2 is also increased when taking AR blockers and ACE inhibitors. But, this doesn’t mean stop taking those medicines as they’re more important to treating your existing condition than trying to lessen risk of infection by stopping the medication.

This is why we’re seeing all sorts of conditions in COVID-19 patients. This is also reason why people shouldn’t be saying it’s just the flu, or that you’re scotch-free when you’re over with coronavirus symptoms. You could have other tissue damage that you may not be aware of on the surface.

 

[luvsJack]

I think we need to be very careful about taking the advice of the doctors that show up on cable tv "news" as well. Many of them do not have more knowledge of the virus than the typical DisBoards poster. They are on those programs to solely entertain people. Some don't even have a license to practice medicine. Yet there they are giving questionable advice and sometimes even promoting medical products of questionable benefits. Not cool.

Don't get me started on celebrities. There must be something in the water out there in Hollywood that causes them to lose brain cells.

I don’t disagree with you just pointing out that the op did not mention either of those things. Also lots of actual, working in the field doctors are being interviewed constantly about all of this. Without the op specifying, we can’t really say whether the ones they heard weren’t actual, licensed doctors.


Also, just so you are aware, no politician or celebrities or TV doctors were giving out prescriptions for anything. If someone raced to their dr and got a prescription, that’s more on their dr than the person seen on TV. Just saying

It was something the medical community felt was a possibility and they have been trying it. Personally I think determining it to be a failure is a bit quick since we don’t have enough knowledge about this virus yet but I am far from a medical expert—as are most here.

 

[cabanafrau]

I've read a few articles stating that COVID19 is resulting in heart problems including the virus attacking the cells in the heart, or even your own immune response attacking the heart.
That is also attacks other organs.
Just putting that out there. It seems we are damned if we do, damned if we don't with this virus and it's "treatments".

For me, if I'm at death's door- try whatever you want because I truly have nothing else to lose at that point.

This is what I'm hearing is particularly battering the morale of the medical teams working on sick patients. They get people through the crisis and seemingly on the road to recovery and, blam, completely different problems crop up. The endless loop of feeling like they learned some stuff, made some progress and then once again don't understand what they're battling and they don't know what the best thing to do is mentally challenging to gear up for again and again.

 

[godisney14]

I think we need to be very careful about taking the advice of the doctors that show up on cable tv "news" as well. Many of them do not have more knowledge of the virus than the typical DisBoards poster. They are on those programs to solely entertain people. Some don't even have a license to practice medicine. Yet there they are giving questionable advice and sometimes even promoting medical products of questionable benefits. Not cool.

Don't get me started on celebrities. There must be something in the water out there in Hollywood that causes them to lose brain cells.

Curious, which doctors on which networks are you referring to when you say they have no knowledge nor license and giving questionable advice?

 

[ReneeA]

It is my understanding that those who were given "hydro" were the most critical of patients so it would be reasonable that you see a much higher death rate.

Not true. I'm seeing it given to every patient admitted to the hospital with COVID or suspected - a 5 to 7 day course along with azithromycin. I also see it prescribed to patients that come in through the ED and go home.

 

[Searc]

You can’t assume that hydroxycloroquine will even be available. It is currently in short supply and people who need it for a proven reason such as lupus are having a hard time getting their prescription filled.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...virus-creates-shortage-lupus-drug/5129896002/

Or in the case of some, having their prescriptions yanked altogether by shady doctors and healthcare systems.

 

[PRINCESS Sweet Pea]

I like to look at things thru hope. I look at hope, not fear or hate. That is just the way I am. I am hearing a lot of leaders or prefessionals and doctors who are not giving any credit to this observation. I am hearing that at several large hospitals these treatments are now standard. There are many doctors and specialist and patients who are saying that this is making a difference. They are doing several full studies. And, if we are looking for somebody with a medical degree. Not everybody who deals with this world wide awful pandemic even has a medical degree. We wanted to believe them when their information was that this was not a danger. This new awful virus has killed hundreds of thousands. These drugs have been used safely for many many years. I go with hope. I don't go with fear or hate.

 

[Christine]

I like to look at things thru hope. I look at hope, not fear or hate. That is just the way I am. I am hearing a lot of leaders or prefessionals and doctors who are not giving any credit to this observation. I am hearing that at several large hospitals these treatments are now standard. There are many doctors and specialist and patients who are saying that this is making a difference. They are doing several full studies. And, if we are looking for somebody with a medical degree. Not everybody who deals with this world wide awful pandemic even has a medical degree. We wanted to believe them when their information was that this was not a danger. This new awful virus has killed hundreds of thousands. These drugs have been used safely for many many years. I go with hope. I don't go with fear or hate.

I think we all go with hope too (at least those on this thread). I don't want to be in fear or hate anyone/anything/or any information. But I do want ALL the information, both the upsides and downsides to the use of this medication. I choose not to view data that comes out as hateful or fearful. It's just information.

 

[Searc]

I like to look at things thru hope. I look at hope, not fear or hate. That is just the way I am. I am hearing a lot of leaders or prefessionals and doctors who are not giving any credit to this observation. I am hearing that at several large hospitals these treatments are now standard. There are many doctors and specialist and patients who are saying that this is making a difference. They are doing several full studies. And, if we are looking for somebody with a medical degree. Not everybody who deals with this world wide awful pandemic even has a medical degree. We wanted to believe them when their information was that this was not a danger. This new awful virus has killed hundreds of thousands. These drugs have been used safely for many many years. I go with hope. I don't go with fear or hate.

I prefer facts based on experts across all fields, but you do you.

 

[Arym]

I like to look at things thru hope. I look at hope, not fear or hate. That is just the way I am. I am hearing a lot of leaders or prefessionals and doctors who are not giving any credit to this observation. I am hearing that at several large hospitals these treatments are now standard. There are many doctors and specialist and patients who are saying that this is making a difference. They are doing several full studies. And, if we are looking for somebody with a medical degree. Not everybody who deals with this world wide awful pandemic even has a medical degree. We wanted to believe them when their information was that this was not a danger. This new awful virus has killed hundreds of thousands. These drugs have been used safely for many many years. I go with hope. I don't go with fear or hate.

I can only have hope right now. I'm not always a glass half full kind of person, not at all. These medicines give me the most hope right now. Yes, I've read the bad along with the good. I am not one to implicitly trust in doctors. I have been through enough in mine and my daughter's lives that will keep me from doing that ever again. I always read for myself.