What am I missing? DVC vs. Marriot

Did you have the privacy sing up? We always leave it on the door handle, I wonder if that makes a difference.
I always put it on the door, but this particular trip was early 2000's so I can't say for sure. I did go to the door and let them know we were preparing to leave shortly. We had guests going three different directions and it just added to the stress. I'm tired of door knocking every afternoon and it's just another reason to spend two weeks somewhere else!
 
I always put it on the door, but this particular trip was early 2000's so I can't say for sure. I did go to the door and let them know we were preparing to leave shortly. We had guests going three different directions and it just added to the stress. I'm tired of door knocking every afternoon and it's just another reason to spend two weeks somewhere else!
Wait, so it was one time nearly 20 years ago?

I see you've added "door knocking every afternoon", but that wasn't the point being made and is something that other brands are doing so it's not unique to Disney.
 
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Brian, can I ask why you chose Wyndham over Marriot?
Marriott has never really been on my radar.

My entree into timeshare was in the mid/late 2000s, and this was still several years before Marriott introduced their points product. Prior to that, it was primarily a floating weeks system; you bought and could book at a particular resort in a particular unit type/season. If you didn't want that in any particular year, the default was to deposit to Interval where Marriott had (and still has) internal preference and a protected period to exchange into other Marriott inventory. But those exchanges are one-for-one, and I wanted the benefits of a points system.

Even if Marriott's points system had existed, I probably would have passed. Marriott's quality carries a significant price premium in the secondary market, and I am not a luxury-at-all-costs person even now. I was even less so 15 years ago; at that point my partner's career was still getting established, and we were just getting out from under post-graduate loans that started out to be comparable to our mortgage payment. Most of the Wyndham resorts are not in Marriott's league, but the difference isn't that stark from my perspective, and Wyndham is significantly less expensive to buy and to own. I do love getting a good deal; more on that below.

Also,
"I'd say something in the low to mid 6s would be easily doable and a reasonable position for disposal later, so in the $1,450 neighborhood, maximum."
Is the mid 6s referencing the cost of the contract as in $6,500 and the $1,450 the annual MF?
No, "mid 6s" refers the cost in annual MF per thousand points owned. The per-(thousand)-point MF rates in Wyndham can vary wildly depending on exactly what you own by more than a factor of two. $6.50 is probably about the weighted average---it's not great, but not horrible, and better than the blended trust product. The cost of resale Wyndham deeds is more or less inversely proportional to the annual $/K MF cost. The lowest-MF/K resorts (sub $5/K in '22) attract significant buyer attention, but it's hard to give away anything with MF/K too much higher than the blended trust (as mentioned, about $7.50/K), because blended-trust resales are plentiful.

I've not been paying attention to the market, but it looks like the blended-trust product is selling on ebay for about $5/K (so, the purchase price is less than one year's MFs). This is the ebb of the timeshare resales annual cycle, so it might drift upward from there some as we get into spring and summer. As in DVC, larger contracts have lower per-point acquisition costs, smaller contracts can have more especially considering closing costs. One representative one is for 308K, which is the point value for a "standard" 3BR at Bonnet in peak season and a pretty good number to get started. It closed at just about $4.50/K, all-in. Again, this is a higher annual-cost ownership than I'd personally buy, but it's not awful.

I backed into a few really good deals and got lucky, and ended up with a net acquisition cost below zero for my Wyndham ownership, which itself has annual fees significantly below average. I couldn't replicate that if I tried, so there's no point in hashing out the details.
 
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We've never experienced this. I would be ticked off as well. I hope it's not a very common issue.

I had a triple split stay for the marathon in January 2022, so less than two months ago. Housekeeping banged on the door before 9AM for two of the stays. It was 9:30 at VGF. Yay? It's not like a quiet knock. We aren't rope drop people, or at least weren't this trip, so I found it annoying. I know not to answer it now.

I've never experienced anything like that in any other brand, except maybe a late check out mixup a time or two, or, you know, when I'm actually late. Certainly not wake up knocks well before standard check out time.
 
I know not to answer it now.
If you're talking about the security checks, you know they'll come in anyway. If you're talking about day of departure, we've never had anyone knock on the door before maybe 10:00 AM, and it was a normal knock, that I respond to politely and it's never repeated.
 
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Not at 9AM they didn't. And they aren't getting past the lock anyway. I didn't stay until 11AM exactly, so I'm not even sure if they came back to knock some more.
I wasn't finished with my post. I have completed it now.
 
If you're talking about the security checks, you know they'll come in anyway. If you're talking about day of departure, we've never had anyone knock on the door before maybe 10:00 AM, and it was a normal knock, that I respond to politely and it's never repeated.
This has been my experience as well. A hard knock at 9 am like what @RoseGold describes would be totally unacceptable to me, the manager would have an earful from me. Especially if the privacy sign is on the doorknob.

Our next trip is a split stay 5 nights RVA, 3 nights BLT, 1 night AKV, 1 night BC... never done so much moving around before but at least will have lots of opportunities to see how it goes at check out
 
I don't remember seeing the privacy tag? I thought they got rid of them when they put in the security checks? I clearly need to make my own that says I know what time check out is. DO NOT KNOCK.
They do have them, at least they did last November when we were there. But making your own is a great idea! If I start having this problem I will try that.
 
I don't remember seeing the privacy tag? I thought they got rid of them when they put in the security checks? I clearly need to make my own that says I know what time check out is. DO NOT KNOCK.

They have the room occupied sign in all the rooms. This last trip, I didn't think we had one either, but it was on the little shelf near the door at RIV, which I had put my Loungefly on when we came in which is why I didn't see it.

Can't comment about the knocking...it hasn't happened...but once in all my stays.
 
We've never experienced this. I would be ticked off as well. I hope it's not a very common issue.
This feels like a newer thing. We had a split stay this past trip (March 2022) at the BCV and OKW. BCV they knocked and entered around 915, which was fine as we were leaving for the parks and dropping off at bell services for the transfer anyway. At OKW they came in around 815...which wasnt ok because we had a pickup planned for 10 and were still showering / packing up. Our OKW experience was beyond awful (room was uncleaned when we got there) so it left a bad taste to be rushed out of the room after the issues we had.
 
We've been thru a few TS venues and they didn't have the same bubble aspect. The DVC was the first that included timely bus transportation to entertainment areas - paid (golfing, parks - dry & wet) and unpaid (Disney Springs, Monorail, Boardwalk). Past arriving there is not a need for driving to entertainment, food, staple needs - it's all on property.

Have to admit we never considered transferring outside of DVC venues because I don't like to be hoping in and out of the car as I do that at home. DVC does have a flavor of that with Hilton Head and Vero.
 
Depends what “better” means to you.

Maybe that’s a condo in Costa Rica to you or the Hyatt ski lodge in beaver creek.

DVC is a VERY narrow, restrictive product. It’s cool that it holds its value, but big deal. Mathematically, it isn’t far off renting points or staying in very nice hotels, and I mean JW nice. You can accomplish a lot of the perks of the DVC system without locking in five figured that have to be spent at a theme park.

There’s nothing from the sales pitch you can’t learn from these boards. I mean this kindly. Just read a ton. Read some more. DVC is quite transparent, and you get a known, narrow, inflexible product.

DVC math isn’t a good fit for most and that’s ok. If you aren’t a theme park fan, and Disney in particular, I’m not sure why this is even being considered. Just invest the money and stay at a hotel.
Rosegold,

I can't disagree with you more.

A time share holding it value is a huge deal! My points at SSR have more than Doubled their value since 2006.
My points at BLT have more than double their value since 2009.
I already have equity in my point at RR that I bought in September.
Most time share are a never ending money suck that you need to sue to get out of.
I have been able to borrow against mine when I need cash flow for other little life joys.

I have no idea what other time share are worth but it doesn't seem to be the norm to get cash out.

Mathematically, I'm so far ahead of were I stated at in straight value alone. When you add the points I have rented over the years, I have spent OPM to purchase my DVC and go on vacations.

Also the sale pitch, as you call it, has accurate information. You can always find that here or anywhere online for that matter.

I rent points at a profit for about 40 to 60 percent of rack rate for the same room. How does that make it cheaper to stay at a hotel? Are you comparing DVC point room to cash rooms, or DVC room to so 39 dollar a night killer bee infested place on I drive formerly know as "I Nice Inn and Suites"

Are you a DVC member / owner or just repeating what you have learned online?
 
I can't disagree with you more.

A time share holding it value is a huge deal! My points at SSR have more than Doubled their value since 2006.
My points at BLT have more than double their value since 2009.
I already have equity in my point at RR that I bought in September.
Most time share are a never ending money suck that you need to sue to get out of.
I have been able to borrow against mine when I need cash flow for other little life joys.
My SSR is up too, and I like knowing I can sell it at any minute. That doesn't mean other timeshares don't have products that do the same. Or that other timeshares have a lot of properties that OP might enjoy more. Disney is a narrow product.

This thread is about why DVC in particular. And DVC isn't the mathematical slam dunk it was when you bought, or even when I bought. Mathematically, it would have been cheaper for me to stay at Swolphin. DVC isn't for everyone, and neither are timeshares in general. I wouldn't buy any timeshare if I planned to borrow against it.
 
My SSR is up too, and I like knowing I can sell it at any minute. That doesn't mean other timeshares don't have products that do the same. Or that other timeshares have a lot of properties that OP might enjoy more. Disney is a narrow product.

This thread is about why DVC in particular. And DVC isn't the mathematical slam dunk it was when you bought, or even when I bought. Mathematically, it would have been cheaper for me to stay at Swolphin. DVC isn't for everyone, and neither are timeshares in general. I wouldn't buy any timeshare if I planned to borrow against it.
Actually, there is an entire section of the legal industry that is devoted to getting people out of bad time shares.
Disney product is only narrow by your definition of vacation. For someone that enjoys central Florida and Laid back vacation traveling all over the world is ridiculous.

Actually, because of the ROFR Disney is pretty much going to go up in value. Unless you buy in the last 15 years of a resort you will come out on top. It is simple math.

I also did not buy a time share to leverage it. But when I need to come up with 50k quickly get my ex wife the hell out of my life is sure made the process easy. 72 hours from the first phone call you done and over. You are not going to be able to do that with other time shares. The fact that was even an option was some nice flexibility.
 



















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