We've come a long way from "Beauty and the Beast"

[Poohbear123]

First off, John Williams writes scores, not songs. Two different categories.

Secondly, this thread is a sad sign of how low this country has sunk, but it has nothing to do with the song.

Come and visit Miami and you will SEE how LOW we have sunk.....

 

[dani0622]

Jon Stewart put my thoughts perfectly into words:

"For anyone keeping record, Martin Scorsese, zero Oscars. For Three 6 Mafia, one.".

 

[cardaway]

Jon Stewart put my thoughts perfectly into words:

"For anyone keeping record, Martin Scorsese, zero Oscars. For Three 6 Mafia, one.".

Because Martin's movies are such a prime example of family entertainment.

 

[dani0622]

Because Martin's movies are such a prime example of family entertainment.

Considering that the Oscars are awards based on achievement in film, not whether or not they are family entertainment, that makes no sense.

The point was that Scorsese, along with other great directors like Altman and Hitchcock, have directed what are considered some of the greatest films in film history, and never won, while a relatively known hip-hop group wins.

 

[palmtreegirl]

Actually that acceptance speech may have been the best of the night. At least it wasn't ZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz like the rest of them.

I thought so too, it was nice to see people that showed some genuine excitement over winning.

 

[cardaway]

Considering that the Oscars are awards based on achievement in film, not whether or not they are family entertainment, that makes no sense.

The point was that Scorsese, along with other great directors like Altman and Hitchcock, have directed what are considered some of the greatest films in film history, and never won, while a relatively known hip-hop group wins.

In that case, I agree.

I was reading it along the lines of the OP which said nothing about achievement in film or merit. Along those lines, I imagine the movies of Scorsese and Altman are immoral trash.

 

[dis ms.]

it was a textbook example of the problem in a certain culture that Bill Cosby (God bless him) has been going on the warpath about.

Yes, God please bless Cosby because he's a real paragon of virtue. I like Bill as much as the next person, but he's hardly a saint. He has yet to stop dating...although he's been married for decades.

Sorry to get OT. Everyone please resume your shock and dismay over the downfall of our country (as evidenced by the latest Best Song Oscar winner).

 

[Miss Jasmine]

Sorry to get OT. Everyone please resume your shock and dismay over the downfall of our country (as evidenced by the latest Best Song Oscar winner).

Love it!

 

[cardaway]

Sorry to get OT. Everyone please resume your shock and dismay over the downfall of our country (as evidenced by the latest Best Song Oscar winner).

 

[beachblanket]

Yes, God please bless Cosby because he's a real paragon of virtue. I like Bill as much as the next person, but he's hardly a saint. He has yet to stop dating...although he's been married for decades.

Oh, boy, I guess the above is a license to deny anything of substance Bill Clinton says, too.....then again, maybe that's unfortunate. After all, he has his office in Harlem, which makes him an expert on all this "hood" subject matter, no?

 

[va32h]

Well, I'm just glad Brokeback Mountain song didn't win, whatever song that was.

There was no nominated song from Brokeback Mountain.

But if it makes you feel better, one of the losing songs (the song Dolly Parton performed) was from a film called "Transamerica" and there is plenty in that film for the narrow minded soul to hate, too.

 

[dis ms.]

Oh, boy, I guess the above is a license to deny anything of substance Bill Clinton says, too

Not deny, just take with a grain of salt. I think he can be a good role model, but he has lost some credibility in certain areas. For example:

My kids have been watching Bill on my "The Best of the Electric Company" DVDs. I trust him implicitly to help my children learn to spell things that start with the letter C.

Now, when I hear him talk about how rappers and comedians shouldn't disrespect women, I think, "Hmmm...so Bill's saying it's not okay to disrepect women as a whole, but it's okay to disrespect your wife by getting a little on the side."

Like I said, I really do like Bill Cosby. I'm just glad I'm not his wife.

 

[beachblanket]

Not deny, just take with a grain of salt. I think he can be a good role model, but he has lost some credibility in certain areas. For example:

My kids have been watching Bill on my "The Best of the Electric Company" DVDs. I trust him implicitly to help my children learn to spell things that start with the letter C.

Now, when I hear him talk about how rappers and comedians shouldn't disrespect women, I think, "Hmmm...so Bill's saying it's not okay to disrepect women as a whole, but it's okay to disrespect your wife by getting a little on the side."

Excellent points. My reference to Cosby was focused on his attack on the glorification of "hood" culture, an argument that has really jolted a lot of African Americans but has kind of gone over the heads of everyone else. Again, the acceptance speech by "Djay" was exhibit A of the cultural sickness that Cosby has been on the warpath about: a dysfunctional mindset, one that views blatant functional illiteracy as "stylish and edgy."

 

[BelleMcNally]

Excellent points. My reference to Cosby was focused on his attack on the glorification of "hood" culture, an argument that has really jolted a lot of African Americans but has kind of gone over the heads of everyone else. Again, the acceptance speech by "Djay" was exhibit A of the cultural sickness that Cosby has been on the warpath about: a dysfunctional mindset, one that views blatant functional illiteracy as "stylish and edgy."

Cultural Sicknes? Don't you think that's a little extreme?

FWIW, I could understand the acceptance speech and thought it was a nice breath of fresh air. Fo' shizzle.

 

[beachblanket]

Cultural Sicknes? Don't you think that's a little extreme?

FWIW, I could understand the acceptance speech and thought it was a nice breath of fresh air. Fo' shizzle.

Cosby does get a little worked up, but what is the appropriate label for a situation where a culture celebrates self-destructive behavior, such as:

- Out of wedlock children (per the CDC, 69.2% of births to black women, compared to 23% for whites, 34% for Hispanics and 14.9% for Asians and Pacific Islanders). Here's some interesting insight on that from the wonderful book "Dads in the 'Hood:"

"Several teens interviewed by Jason DeParle in his New York Times Magazine story scoff at the boring sameness of marriage, even while they yearn for fathers. "I need some little me's - children," one 16-year-old told DeParle, but, he continued, "I just can't see myself being with one woman." As another teen explained, "That'd be too plain—like you have to see the same woman every day." A young man with this attitude does not spend time "looking for Ms. Right" or "working on a relationship," or any of the other rituals of middle-class courtship. Like Tyrell, first he is with one woman, then he is with another; in all likelihood, there will be more in the future. Sex happens. And so do babies.

It's not at all uncommon to meet poor men who have left behind a winding trail of exes and their unanticipated progeny. One man I spoke with has five children by two women; another, apologizing for his shoddy birth control practices by explaining that he "likes it raw," has seven children by five women; he was 15 when the first was born. When asked about his offspring, an edgy Haitian, who owes the State of New York child support of $35,000, starts counting slowly on his fingers. He stops at four, but he doesn't seem to be joking; it's as if he's never thought of the products of his many affairs as a single group that could be labeled "my children."

- Massive victimization by crime (in 2003, young black men between the ages of 15 and 35 made up 13.9% of all males of that age range in the U.S., but were the victims of 57% of the homicides of all men in that age range. Looked at another way, that miniscule 2% of the population was the victim of 28% of all homicides that year). The USA doesn't have a significant violent crime problem, it has a significant inner city violent crime problem.

Yes, Cosby labels all this cultural sickness.

Extreme? Yes. And painfully accurate.