WDW customer service slipping?

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On the Theme Parks and Attractions board, there seems to be a lot of complaining about the lack of customer service at WDW lately. Has any of my fellow DISers on the CB exprienced this summer and now fall?
 
I definitely see a difference in the last few years. We really noticed a big difference during this most recent trip. When we were checking in to CBR, there were only about 6 people checking in, yet there was a line. Why? Because there were about 4 reservationists behind the counter looking at pictures and laughing. There were only 3 that were actually working.

In some of the gift shops where I made purchases, the cashiers barely made eye contact with me, let alone said 'thank you'.

But, then again, there were many CM's that were "old Disney" pleasant.
 
Sad to say I believe there is a BIG problem with customer service slipping in WDW! Just from 05 to 06!

I had wrote a letter to Customer Relations back in August about my July Trip. It was one of those 'good news/bad news" letters. However as of today I have not had ANY response from WDW! :sad2:
 
What happened to the Disney gold standard of customer service that was world-wide known? If customer service is indeed slipping, then why? Why would Disney let it slip? Cost reductions - too much money to train to that standard? Too much employee turnover? Why?
 

We got back about seven weeks ago, and customer service was still excellent in my opinion. We found CM's helpful, friendly and pleasant. The bus drivers get my award for being the most awesome CM's, each and every one of them said 'good morning' or 'good evening' or 'have a great day'. We talked to many CM's this trip and met people from around the country and the world (college program). We did have a trip in 1991 when some people we ran into were rude, but that has not happened since.
 
We saw a big difference from 05 to 06, but I chalked it up to our going during the first week of free dining this year. I think that really added stress to all the CMs.

Only one thing really bothered me. My mom stayed in the room next to ours & was woke by housekeeping at 7am on our last day demanding to know when we'd be leaving. She was very unpleasant. I'm sure she was anxious to get the room clean for the next group of guests, but she could have been nicer about it.
 
Relative to the customer service experienced more generally (at stores, restaurants, etc.), Disney's customer service still is among the best of the best. What you're perhaps perceiving is the effect of the more general degradation in customer service overall, really the more general degradation of courtesy and mutual respect, across all aspects of our lives.
 
Service at the resort/parks was good, mostly great. In nine days we only experienced two bad apples - a server at Concourse and a cashier at Earl of Sandwich. CRO on the other hand ... they seem to have a lot of rude and uncaring CM's answering the phone.
 
bicker said:
Relative to the customer service experienced more generally (at stores, restaurants, etc.), Disney's customer service still is among the best of the best. What you're perhaps perceiving is the effect of the more general degradation in customer service overall, really the more general degradation of courtesy and mutual respect, across all aspects of our lives.


I think this is very accurate. Plus, since Disney has such high standards and we expect more from them, anything less than "outstanding service" is going to stand out to us.
 
bicker said:
Relative to the customer service experienced more generally (at stores, restaurants, etc.), Disney's customer service still is among the best of the best. What you're perhaps perceiving is the effect of the more general degradation in customer service overall, really the more general degradation of courtesy and mutual respect, across all aspects of our lives.

I TOTALLY agree with this statement.
 
I stayed at the same resort as a friend, and we had completely different experiences. I had excellent customer service, and she had poor service. Her approach to guest services was nothing different than mine, but we did get different people. I had a big problem on our second night there, and it was resolved immediately and properly. However, as someone else stated there was some 'old Disney' customer service. I truly think that it depends on the person, and that the new people coming in are not taking the Disney approach to customer service at all seriously, and therefore has laxed. I just hope that they get back into the swing of things quickly.
 
We definitely noticed a difference at the Poly during our stay in August. Interestingly, after we returned, they sent us a postcard requesting that we fill out an on-line questionaire--just on Poly service. So I did, and was very precise.

Some of the things: We checked our bags on arrival, then went into the parks. Out things were never brought to our room. Neither were the groceries we'd ordered which were delivered the day before arrival. Some of our bags went to MIL's room and vice-versa. Same last name, I could see how this happened. We called in advance with specific room requests--when we arrived, absolutely none had been noted. They tried to put us in a different (read: more expensive) style of room, rather than giving us the downgrade we requested (and having to return the $ difference). We had to call 3 times to get a crib, despite an advance request. I tried to buy gift cards in the shop but the clerk had no clue. I tried to book my kids for parasailing and the concierge person had no clue. In fact, the concierge staff had no idea of the package we were on (Magic Your Way Premium Package). They never gave us our handbook on arrival.

That's just off the top of my head. In general, on previous visits the Premium package got us treated like celebrities. We didn't feel that way at all this past trip, although we had a lovely time. And BTW, it's MIL who insists on paying for the Premium package--it's not my style, but far be it from me to hurt her feelings! ;) . But for the kind of $$ outlay, you do have expectations of service that weren't there, IMHO, on this last trip. And while I do agree with bicker that service generally is getting worse in this country, this was our third stay Poly/Premium, and it was very noticable.
 
BuzznBelle'smom said:
We definitely noticed a difference at the Poly during our stay in August. Interestingly, after we returned, they sent us a postcard requesting that we fill out an on-line questionaire--just on Poly service. So I did, and was very precise.

Some of the things: We checked our bags on arrival, then went into the parks. Out things were never brought to our room. Neither were the groceries we'd ordered which were delivered the day before arrival. Some of our bags went to MIL's room and vice-versa. Same last name, I could see how this happened. We called in advance with specific room requests--when we arrived, absolutely none had been noted. They tried to put us in a different (read: more expensive) style of room, rather than giving us the downgrade we requested (and having to return the $ difference). We had to call 3 times to get a crib, despite an advance request. I tried to buy gift cards in the shop but the clerk had no clue. I tried to book my kids for parasailing and the concierge person had no clue. In fact, the concierge staff had no idea of the package we were on (Magic Your Way Premium Package). They never gave us our handbook on arrival.

That's just off the top of my head. In general, on previous visits the Premium package got us treated like celebrities. We didn't feel that way at all this past trip, although we had a lovely time. And BTW, it's MIL who insists on paying for the Premium package--it's not my style, but far be it from me to hurt her feelings! ;) . But for the kind of $$ outlay, you do have expectations of service that weren't there, IMHO, on this last trip. And while I do agree with bicker that service generally is getting worse in this country, this was our third stay Poly/Premium, and it was very noticable.

Service IS getting worse in this company (although I feel that WDW has pretty good service), and there are two things to blame: corporate greed for profits and American society that has spoiled children and made them all believe that they are special, wonderful, etc.

I have been a retail manager for 17 years (I am 37) and have worked at many of the major retailers in this country. I currently am a manager at a nationwide department store that is in every mall in America. My store has a staff of 380-400 at every given time, and we struggle with customer service. My husband works part-time for a national store, too and we both came back from Christmas meetings hearing the EXACT SAME MESSAGES: "Make an emotional connection with the customer" and "Control payroll". American retailers, all of them, are pushing this latest corporate catch-phrase, but they fail to realise that "making an emotional connection" with a customer means many different things, and they do not want to invest the money into training associates how to do it. Sure, they will pay CEO's to dollar and million dollar bonuses, but they will not invest a dime to make sure the average person coming to work at the Gap or WDW or Walgreen's knows how to service people.

My DH and I have both won awards for customer service and I taught classes at a large community college. I once waited on Oprah Winfrey and had her tell me it was among the best service she ever received. Why? Because my DH and I are former actors. People LOVE the service I give them because I can, after acting training, "read" a person and then I mirror them. This is a skill that can be taught, but who wants to invest the time. EVERY single day I have customers tell me "that was the best service I ever had"...it is all about reading people! Woody Allen had a movie "Zelig" where he'd chameleon-like transform into the person he was with, this is what people want. Not just "Hi, how are you?" or "Thanks" (which, sadly, most companies don't even offer THAT).

The other point is...teenagers are awful hires. They are bad associates because they have had everything handed to them on a silver platter, so their little p/t retail job means NOTHING to them, plus they were taught "you're special!" by everyone from their parents to teachers, but everyone along the way forgot to teach them basic manners and respect.
(of course I don't mean ALL teenagers, among my 200 teen employees, I have about 15 who are top-notch) Their parents even encourage them to slack off...I had a teenager say to me "I don't have to listen to you, my dad says you're a loser who makes $27,000 a year!". (This cracked me up because I actually make $72,000 plus 15% bonuses and this kid's dad was a teacher and I looked up his salary on the internet and it was $48,500...so whatever! Our store manager makes over $180k a year! So please don't assume that people in retail all make minimum wage.) So it is a battle, believe me.

WDW has to answer to stockholders who want their stock at a good price. I know the tickets and all prices seem HIGH, but it costs a TON to run the place, believe me. I had associates freak out when I showed them the $17,000 monthly electric bill for our store and our $22,000 gas bill. My store does over $50 million in business and our actual clear profit is about $8 million after expenses. Our payroll alone is over $3 million a year...so just think about that, too. Plus, what is wrong with WDW attempting to make profit? I know it is "magical" and "Happy", but it is still a business.

Final thing before I get off my soapbox...
I have long found that being the "bigger" person first (nice smile, etc) goes a long way in getting great service..... :cheer2:
 
chigirl said:
Service IS getting worse in this company (although I feel that WDW has pretty good service), and there are two things to blame: corporate greed for profits and American society that has spoiled children and made them all believe that they are special, wonderful, etc.

I have been a retail manager for 17 years (I am 37) and have worked at many of the major retailers in this country. I currently am a manager at a nationwide department store that is in every mall in America. My store has a staff of 380-400 at every given time, and we struggle with customer service. My husband works part-time for a national store, too and we both came back from Christmas meetings hearing the EXACT SAME MESSAGES: "Make an emotional connection with the customer" and "Control payroll". American retailers, all of them, are pushing this latest corporate catch-phrase, but they fail to realise that "making an emotional connection" with a customer means many different things, and they do not want to invest the money into training associates how to do it. Sure, they will pay CEO's to dollar and million dollar bonuses, but they will not invest a dime to make sure the average person coming to work at the Gap or WDW or Walgreen's knows how to service people.

My DH and I have both won awards for customer service and I taught classes at a large community college. I once waited on Oprah Winfrey and had her tell me it was among the best service she ever received. Why? Because my DH and I are former actors. People LOVE the service I give them because I can, after acting training, "read" a person and then I mirror them. This is a skill that can be taught, but who wants to invest the time. EVERY single day I have customers tell me "that was the best service I ever had"...it is all about reading people! Woody Allen had a movie "Zelig" where he'd chameleon-like transform into the person he was with, this is what people want. Not just "Hi, how are you?" or "Thanks" (which, sadly, most companies don't even offer THAT).

The other point is...teenagers are awful hires. They are bad associates because they have had everything handed to them on a silver platter, so their little p/t retail job means NOTHING to them, plus they were taught "you're special!" by everyone from their parents to teachers, but everyone along the way forgot to teach them basic manners and respect.
(of course I don't mean ALL teenagers, among my 200 teen employees, I have about 15 who are top-notch) Their parents even encourage them to slack off...I had a teenager say to me "I don't have to listen to you, my dad says you're a loser who makes $27,000 a year!". (This cracked me up because I actually make $72,000 plus 15% bonuses and this kid's dad was a teacher and I looked up his salary on the internet and it was $48,500...so whatever! Our store manager makes over $180k a year! So please don't assume that people in retail all make minimum wage.) So it is a battle, believe me.

WDW has to answer to stockholders who want their stock at a good price. I know the tickets and all prices seem HIGH, but it costs a TON to run the place, believe me. I had associates freak out when I showed them the $17,000 monthly electric bill for our store and our $22,000 gas bill. My store does over $50 million in business and our actual clear profit is about $8 million after expenses. Our payroll alone is over $3 million a year...so just think about that, too. Plus, what is wrong with WDW attempting to make profit? I know it is "magical" and "Happy", but it is still a business.

Final thing before I get off my soapbox...
I have long found that being the "bigger" person first (nice smile, etc) goes a long way in getting great service..... :cheer2:

Amen!
 
i think it depends who is waiting on you
we had AMAZING sevice in august and i wrote a letter and email about it and revieved a call from Andrea at wdw executive office
i am heading home to the world in Nov and am staying at the GF concierge and I do have very high hopes based on my 10 night concierge stay at the WL in august, but ig nothing extra happens it doesnt happen and you wont see me on here screaming about it


I think disney is held at higher standard and we all want that magical perfect vacation
we also need to remember that pleases and thank you to CMs are appreciated. I dont think they get many of those anymore people just expect to much
 
chigirl said:
Service IS getting worse in this company (although I feel that WDW has pretty good service), and there are two things to blame: corporate greed for profits and American society that has spoiled children and made them all believe that they are special, wonderful, etc.

I have been a retail manager for 17 years (I am 37) and have worked at many of the major retailers in this country. I currently am a manager at a nationwide department store that is in every mall in America. My store has a staff of 380-400 at every given time, and we struggle with customer service. My husband works part-time for a national store, too and we both came back from Christmas meetings hearing the EXACT SAME MESSAGES: "Make an emotional connection with the customer" and "Control payroll". American retailers, all of them, are pushing this latest corporate catch-phrase, but they fail to realise that "making an emotional connection" with a customer means many different things, and they do not want to invest the money into training associates how to do it. Sure, they will pay CEO's to dollar and million dollar bonuses, but they will not invest a dime to make sure the average person coming to work at the Gap or WDW or Walgreen's knows how to service people.

My DH and I have both won awards for customer service and I taught classes at a large community college. I once waited on Oprah Winfrey and had her tell me it was among the best service she ever received. Why? Because my DH and I are former actors. People LOVE the service I give them because I can, after acting training, "read" a person and then I mirror them. This is a skill that can be taught, but who wants to invest the time. EVERY single day I have customers tell me "that was the best service I ever had"...it is all about reading people! Woody Allen had a movie "Zelig" where he'd chameleon-like transform into the person he was with, this is what people want. Not just "Hi, how are you?" or "Thanks" (which, sadly, most companies don't even offer THAT).

The other point is...teenagers are awful hires. They are bad associates because they have had everything handed to them on a silver platter, so their little p/t retail job means NOTHING to them, plus they were taught "you're special!" by everyone from their parents to teachers, but everyone along the way forgot to teach them basic manners and respect.
(of course I don't mean ALL teenagers, among my 200 teen employees, I have about 15 who are top-notch) Their parents even encourage them to slack off...I had a teenager say to me "I don't have to listen to you, my dad says you're a loser who makes $27,000 a year!". (This cracked me up because I actually make $72,000 plus 15% bonuses and this kid's dad was a teacher and I looked up his salary on the internet and it was $48,500...so whatever! Our store manager makes over $180k a year! So please don't assume that people in retail all make minimum wage.) So it is a battle, believe me.

WDW has to answer to stockholders who want their stock at a good price. I know the tickets and all prices seem HIGH, but it costs a TON to run the place, believe me. I had associates freak out when I showed them the $17,000 monthly electric bill for our store and our $22,000 gas bill. My store does over $50 million in business and our actual clear profit is about $8 million after expenses. Our payroll alone is over $3 million a year...so just think about that, too. Plus, what is wrong with WDW attempting to make profit? I know it is "magical" and "Happy", but it is still a business.

Final thing before I get off my soapbox...
I have long found that being the "bigger" person first (nice smile, etc) goes a long way in getting great service..... :cheer2:

I coud not agree more
i have 10 year retail management experience and once ran GAP with 300 employees they want great service but dont want to spend $ to get it
 
chigirl said:
Service IS getting worse in this company (although I feel that WDW has pretty good service), and there are two things to blame: corporate greed for profits and American society that has spoiled children and made them all believe that they are special, wonderful, etc.

I have been a retail manager for 17 years (I am 37) and have worked at many of the major retailers in this country. I currently am a manager at a nationwide department store that is in every mall in America. My store has a staff of 380-400 at every given time, and we struggle with customer service. My husband works part-time for a national store, too and we both came back from Christmas meetings hearing the EXACT SAME MESSAGES: "Make an emotional connection with the customer" and "Control payroll". American retailers, all of them, are pushing this latest corporate catch-phrase, but they fail to realise that "making an emotional connection" with a customer means many different things, and they do not want to invest the money into training associates how to do it. Sure, they will pay CEO's to dollar and million dollar bonuses, but they will not invest a dime to make sure the average person coming to work at the Gap or WDW or Walgreen's knows how to service people.

My DH and I have both won awards for customer service and I taught classes at a large community college. I once waited on Oprah Winfrey and had her tell me it was among the best service she ever received. Why? Because my DH and I are former actors. People LOVE the service I give them because I can, after acting training, "read" a person and then I mirror them. This is a skill that can be taught, but who wants to invest the time. EVERY single day I have customers tell me "that was the best service I ever had"...it is all about reading people! Woody Allen had a movie "Zelig" where he'd chameleon-like transform into the person he was with, this is what people want. Not just "Hi, how are you?" or "Thanks" (which, sadly, most companies don't even offer THAT).

The other point is...teenagers are awful hires. They are bad associates because they have had everything handed to them on a silver platter, so their little p/t retail job means NOTHING to them, plus they were taught "you're special!" by everyone from their parents to teachers, but everyone along the way forgot to teach them basic manners and respect.
(of course I don't mean ALL teenagers, among my 200 teen employees, I have about 15 who are top-notch) Their parents even encourage them to slack off...I had a teenager say to me "I don't have to listen to you, my dad says you're a loser who makes $27,000 a year!". (This cracked me up because I actually make $72,000 plus 15% bonuses and this kid's dad was a teacher and I looked up his salary on the internet and it was $48,500...so whatever! Our store manager makes over $180k a year! So please don't assume that people in retail all make minimum wage.) So it is a battle, believe me.

WDW has to answer to stockholders who want their stock at a good price. I know the tickets and all prices seem HIGH, but it costs a TON to run the place, believe me. I had associates freak out when I showed them the $17,000 monthly electric bill for our store and our $22,000 gas bill. My store does over $50 million in business and our actual clear profit is about $8 million after expenses. Our payroll alone is over $3 million a year...so just think about that, too. Plus, what is wrong with WDW attempting to make profit? I know it is "magical" and "Happy", but it is still a business.

Final thing before I get off my soapbox...
I have long found that being the "bigger" person first (nice smile, etc) goes a long way in getting great service..... :cheer2:

Have I told you lately that I love you? You got it goin' on, girl!!! :woohoo:
 
And you know what? The co.'s not paying to train their people is what the customers don't want to hear or understand and it just kills me. Everyone should have to work six months serving tables and six months in retail before they're allowed to graduated high school so they can say I've been there and done that and I know how you feel!
 
Lizzy2 said:
And you know what? The co.'s not paying to train their people is what the customers don't want to hear or understand and it just kills me. Everyone should have to work six months serving tables and six months in retail before they're allowed to graduated high school so they can say I've been there and done that and I know how you feel!

YES!! Having worked retail for many years in high school and college gave me a much better empathy for the service folks I do encounter. There's no excuse for an employee being rude or on a power trip, but most of the time I feel I should cut anyone who deals with the public quite a bit of slack. And, yes, give them a smile *first* if they don't already have one on their faces.
 


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