VWL Groupies & Lovers Thread (Special Collectors Edition 2.5) updated 2 February 2025

so my last question would be... if a family is planning a 8 day vacation with only 3 park days and wanted to be able to have a full experience at the resort. would you stay with a studio at WLV or move to AKV in Jambo house??

I think with AKV (or any other resort) you have a much clearer picture of what it will be like to stay there than you would with VWL. The truth is, Disney hasn't shared much about the construction phases that will be going on for two years. With that in mind, I think I'd pick another option for the trip. AKV is a great resort with lots to offer. Since you aren't going to the parks that often it won't matter that it's a bit remote. Other options would be BCV with its great pool or SSR with the easy access to Downtown Disney. BWV has a lot going on with the Boardwalk entertainment and we walk from there to miniature golf at Fantasia Gardens. Hard to go wrong with any of the DVC resorts, though if you are in a studio I'd probably avoid BLT (pretty small studios) and VGF (not much storage area). OKW has two queen beds in the studios so if that appeals to you then that's an option. No bad choices here.
 
I hate to admit - I changed my Christmas reservation from the lodge to AKV - Jambo.
Didn't want to take the chance that my granddaughter's wouldn't get to see the lodge at it's best or get hurt somehow.

We were at the Poly on opening day in April and one of them picked up a couple of nails by the ongoing construction area. I'm sure this was unusual for Disney considering how careful they usually are - but between that and the possibility of no quiet pool I changed my reservation.

I'll just have to take them to the Lodge Christmas 2017 - hopefully it will still be the lodge I' loved all these years.


With all the uncertainty, I can see why you'd be hesitant to commit to VWL. I'm sure that the decorations at the main Lodge and VWL will still be great, but the construction seems that it could be intrusive. And AKV is a great resort especially with all the animal watching available for your family. They do decorate for Christmas in a way that complements the Animal Kingdom theming. Enjoy!! :)
 
Lol, I guess this explains why I was able to secure a Concierge level room so easily for September! Oh well, I'm going with the flow! I am going to remain cautiously optimistic about the whole expansion.

You'll get to see it one last time before everything changes Corinne - lucky you!!!
 
so my last question would be... if a family is planning a 8 day vacation with only 3 park days and wanted to be able to have a full experience at the resort. would you stay with a studio at WLV or move to AKV in Jambo house??

I hate to say this but I'd probably consider changing to Jambo - which we also love and often stay at. It's so hard to say how quickly they'll move on things at the lodge but at least you know that things won't be tore up at AKL.

I'm still just in disbelief that it's all starting on the day we planned to arrive. Usually I'm very go with the flow but all the construction stuff up just outside the lodge really won't do for this trip with family. :headache:
 

I think with AKV (or any other resort) you have a much clearer picture of what it will be like to stay there than you would with VWL. The truth is, Disney hasn't shared much about the construction phases that will be going on for two years. With that in mind, I think I'd pick another option for the trip. AKV is a great resort with lots to offer. Since you aren't going to the parks that often it won't matter that it's a bit remote. Other options would be BCV with its great pool or SSR with the easy access to Downtown Disney. BWV has a lot going on with the Boardwalk entertainment and we walk from there to miniature golf at Fantasia Gardens. Hard to go wrong with any of the DVC resorts, though if you are in a studio I'd probably avoid BLT (pretty small studios) and VGF (not much storage area). OKW has two queen beds in the studios so if that appeals to you then that's an option. No bad choices here.

Granny, your comments are right on the mark. Especially the remark about another option for the trip. While the time we spent this June was not unbearable, the jackhammer going nonstop all day was tiresome by the third day. Folks on eight to ten night stays would not be feeling the magic on the their ride back to MCO to fly home. We had two weekend days and two nights at AKV-Kidani so it was not too bad. However, it was bad enough for me to dig out the point charts and see how many nights at other DVC resorts will cost, and check on how many points we have in our account. We like magic kingdom resorts, but maybe we try the beach club. Storm Along Bay looks like fun, and I have liked the Epcot location for a visit for a long time. What is kind of sad is that we are VWL lemmings, I must admit it. If we book at Poly I am certain that we boat ride to the Lodge just to sit in the lobby and hang out. We are just want to be there more than any where else. The two night at AKV this year was the first time we have spent any time anywhere outside of WL. I guess our best play is to accept things as they are, put on a happy face and make the best of it. Going to be a long two years.

On a side note, I saw a short thread on the other board about new Florida legislation for timeshare properties. It does not look pleasant either. It looks like there could be significant costs attached to existing contracts if things break they some are predicting. I refuse to get caught up in that until it come to pass, but it is on my radar. Here is some info I found back in May. I copied it and pasted into email to myself. Has anyone here seen this information or know much about it. I guess it looks like they will become law in the Sunshine State.


Two bills are making their way through Florida state legislature which could have negative long-term effects on many timeshare owners including Disney Vacation Club members.

The Florida House and Senate are both backing Bills which would apply a number of changes to the state's timeshare laws. Supporters of HB 453 and SB 932 claim the changes to Florida's Vacation Plan and Timeshare Act are designed to streamline and modernize the legislation. Opponents claim the potential damage to consumers far outweighs the benefits as the modifications are currently written.

Among the changes is the elimination of a cap which currently limits annual increases in property taxes and certain common area resort expenses to 125% of the prior year's cost.

Critics claim that other provisions give developers greater latitude to defraud consumers during the sales process. The National Timeshare Owners Association--a trade group representing timeshare owners--is among those encouraging opposition to the changes. Association president Gregory Christ is quoted on website Elliott.org as saying “we think consumers will likely be exposed to certain rogue developer practices that we haven’t seen since the ’80s and ’90s.”

In a Change.org petition sponsored by NTOA, the legislation is criticized as "a one-sided effort by the development community to rewrite state law to match their current marketing efforts." Additionally: "the bill allows developers to almost unilaterally decide what constitutes 'compliance' and 'materiality' with regard to mistakes and omissions in contracts."

Of potential interest to Disney Vacation Club members is a provision which outlines the rights of developers to extend or terminate a timeshare plan at any date. Prposed modifications to Section 721.125 of the Florida Statues as stated in HB 453 would read as follows:

721.125 Extension or termination of timeshare plans.—

(1) Unless the timeshare instrument provides otherwise, the term of a timeshare plan may be extended or terminated at any time by a vote or written consent, or combination thereof, of a majority of all of the voting interests in the timeshare plan. If the term of a timeshare plan is extended pursuant to this section, all rights, privileges, duties, and obligations created under applicable law or the timeshare instrument continue in full force and effect to the same extent as if the extended termination date of the timeshare plan had been the original termination date of the timeshare plan. If the term of a timeshare plan is extended and terminated pursuant to this section, the termination has immediate effect pursuant to applicable law and the timeshare instrument has effect as if the effective date of such termination were the original date of termination.

(2) If a termination or extension vote or consent pursuant to subsection (1) is proposed for a component site of a multisite timeshare plan in this state, the proposed termination or extension is effective only if it is approved by the person authorized to make additions or substitutions of accommodations and facilities pursuant to the timeshare instrument.

(3) This section applies only to a timeshare plan that has been in existence for a period of at least 20 years as of the effective date of the termination or extension vote or consent required by subsection (1).

Similar proposed revisions are proposed in SB 932.

Rumors have suggested that Disney Vacation Club may revisit some of its older timeshare properties, adding new units and guest capacity. Disney's Wilderness Lodge is the location most frequently linked to such speculation. With Disney itself holding all voting rights within each Condominium Association, these modifications would clear the path for them to extend resort leases beyond their current expiration dates, presumably to facilitate additional sales.

Ownership in the Villas at Disney's Wilderness Lodge is currently scheduled to end on January 21, 2042.

Undefined is any allowance for charging current owners for the extension period. Back in 2008, Disney Vacation Club came under fire for the manner in which ownership was extended at Disney's Old Key West Resort (a.k.a. Disney Vacation Club Resort.) The process utilized required owners to either pay additional fees for 15 years of additional ownership or to sign notarized documents which effectively returned the deed to Disney as of the original 2042 ending date.

The bills are sponsored by a number of Florida lawmakers with the backing of the American Resorts Development Association, a timeshare developer industry trade group. The Orlando Sentinel recently identified nearly $500,000 in Florida contributions made by the ARDA during the 2014 election cycle.

Disney representatives told the Sentinel that they support HB 453 and SB 932 but are not actively lobbying for the changes contained within.


Here is another link from DVC News:

http://www.dvcnews.com/index.php/dv...are-legislation-could-prove-harmful-to-owners
 
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Going to be an interesting 2 or more years as rumors fly, especially if the legislation passes.

I can't imagine that Disney would terminate immediately all ownership interests in VWL which, if I'm interpreting correctly, they would have the right to do as the sole voter in the association. Not saying they would because that would be suicide for DVC.
 
we may end up switching to AKV... we have done BWV the last 2 aprils, and have also been to AKV before too. We cannot afford BC, POLY or GFV... no interest in OKW or SSR or BLT so that leaves us with our trusty AKV in Jambo house as long as their is still openings... wondering how many will be moving ressies to other places and could make it harder to get in.
 
Two bills are making their way through Florida state legislature which could have negative long-term effects on many timeshare owners including Disney Vacation Club members.

The bills were approved by the Florida Senate and House of Representatives and signed into law on June 11, 2015 by Governor Scott. The new law became effective July 1, 2015 (see http://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2015/453).
 
so my last question would be... if a family is planning a 8 day vacation with only 3 park days and wanted to be able to have a full experience at the resort. would you stay with a studio at WLV or move to AKV in Jambo house??
Assuming you mean during the construction phase, I must admit I'd give serious consideration to AKL. I still think I'd stay at the VWL and deal with the changes since I'd still have most of what I love about WL at my fingertips. For example, though the nature trail will be closed, the paved bike/running/walking path will still be open, and it ain't shabby. They'll still show movies, only they'll be in the Carrolwood Pacific room in the Villas lobby. As for the pool, if you plan to spend much time there, the main pool is more exciting for kids, anyway. AKL is lovely, but I don't believe they have the murphy bed option which you will have at VWL; thus, your two sons could have each have his own bed. :thumbsup2
 
we are not moving yet... just watching the news on this expansion for now. Yes the main pool will be open but for my family its the villa pool we prefer to the main feature pool which is usually is much louder and crowded. and being in the Villa bld how loud will that indoor movie be? will that cause more noise to the people staying in the units near the lobby? we had requested a first floor studio. just want to be informed before we make a decision, THANKS!!! we were finally looking forward to our first stay at WLV and now are super worried.
 
Does anyone know what the starting date of VWL is?
The original terms of OKW, BC, BW, and VWL all expire in 2042, but OKW was around before the others.
Is the inception date of the others the start date of OKW? If it is we're coming up on the 25years cited in the law.

721.125 Extension or termination of timeshare plans.

(1) Unless the timeshare instrument provides otherwise, the vote or
written consent, or both, of 60 percent of all voting interests in a timeshare
plan may extend or terminate the term of the timeshare plan at any time. If
the term of a timeshare plan is extended pursuant to this section, all rights,
privileges, duties, and obligations created under applicable law or the
timeshare instrument continue in full force to the same extent as if the
extended termination date of the timeshare plan were the original termina-
tion date of the timeshare plan. If a timeshare plan is terminated pursuant to
this section, the termination has immediate effect pursuant to applicable law
and the timeshare instrument as if the effective date of the termination were
the original date of termination.
(2) If a termination or extension vote or consent pursuant to subsection
(1) is proposed for a component site of a multisite timeshare plan located in
this state, the proposed termination or extension is effective only if the
person authorized to make additions or substitutions of accommodations and
facilities pursuant to the timeshare instrument also approves the termina-
tion or extension.
(3) This section applies only to a timeshare plan that has been in
existence for at least 25 years as of the effective date of the termination or
extension vote or consent required by subsection (1).
 
For any of our Groupies currently at the Lodge or about to be there, it would be satisfying to hear what a CM or two has to say. We were told by one CM that there was to be a meeting (can't recall if late last week or this coming week) where they would "be told about all the changes come to the Lodge." I suspect the information won't be any different than what we have, but there might be a nugget or two. We spoke with two CMs, with one telling us they were going to refurb rooms at the main Lodge, floors 4-6. Another I mentioned in an earlier post who claimed no knowledge of any restaurant in the new plans (and certainly not moving AP), yet had heard there would be some minor changes to Trail's End, such as adding an outdoor patio to replace the old bar area. As others have said, it's going to be a long two years.
 
Does anyone know what the starting date of VWL is?
The original terms of OKW, BC, BW, and VWL all expire in 2042, but OKW was around before the others.
Is the inception date of the others the start date of OKW? If it is we're coming up on the 25years cited in the law.
VWL was opened for business in 2000, I believe, though it was conceived a couple of years earlier. I'm less worried about the legal wranglings than I am the future build. While I wouldn't put anything by a major corporation when it comes to satisfying their stockholders, the one thing Disney abhors is bad publicity. Taking any sort of major underhanded action against DVC owners is unlikely--not impossible but unlikely. On the other hand, creating hundreds of thousands of new points by doing a major build at VWL and ripping out the serene heart of resort? That seems more likely as they can always use the ubiquitous line, "our owners repeatedly told us they wanted more/better _________ (fill in the blank)." Now, we wait. :scared:
 
VWL was opened for business in 2000, I believe, though it was conceived a couple of years earlier. I'm less worried about the legal wranglings than I am the future build. While I wouldn't put anything by a major corporation when it comes to satisfying their stockholders, the one thing Disney abhors is bad publicity. Taking any sort of major underhanded action against DVC owners is unlikely--not impossible but unlikely. On the other hand, creating hundreds of thousands of new points by doing a major build at VWL and ripping out the serene heart of resort? That seems more likely as they can always use the ubiquitous line, "our owners repeatedly told us they wanted more/better _________ (fill in the blank)." Now, we wait. :scared:

I'm not too worried about Disney telling me my timeshare has expired - as you said the publicity that causes will ruin any future sales of DVC.

I'm hoping they don't ruin the serenity and natural beauty of VWL - what they did at Poly didn't dramatically expand the number of rooms but what they have planned for VWL looks like they're adding more than double the number of rooms. If they take over a few floors in the Lodge for DVC and not add as many new buildings as they have planned it won't be too bad. I will miss the beach though - Loved sitting there to watch the Electric Water Pageant.
 
I'm not too worried about Disney telling me my timeshare has expired - as you said the publicity that causes will ruin any future sales of DVC.

I'm hoping they don't ruin the serenity and natural beauty of VWL - what they did at Poly didn't dramatically expand the number of rooms but what they have planned for VWL looks like they're adding more than double the number of rooms. If they take over a few floors in the Lodge for DVC and not add as many new buildings as they have planned it won't be too bad. I will miss the beach though - Loved sitting there to watch the Electric Water Pageant.
Love the beach. I met my wife there for the first time, so it holds a very special place in our hearts. Maybe we'll all be surprised. (hope, hope, hope)
 
VWL was opened for business in 2000, I believe, though it was conceived a couple of years earlier. I'm less worried about the legal wranglings than I am the future build. While I wouldn't put anything by a major corporation when it comes to satisfying their stockholders, the one thing Disney abhors is bad publicity. Taking any sort of major underhanded action against DVC owners is unlikely--not impossible but unlikely. On the other hand, creating hundreds of thousands of new points by doing a major build at VWL and ripping out the serene heart of resort? That seems more likely as they can always use the ubiquitous line, "our owners repeatedly told us they wanted more/better _________ (fill in the blank)." Now, we wait. :scared:
This is exactly along the lines I was thinking...DVC knows us DVCers are a passionate bunch, we wouldnt go down without a fight and letting the world know our feelings, too many places to let it be known publicly now. It would cause a demise for DVC
 
We're still going to VWL in December. I'll check it out and report back to my fellow groupies. Actually, I could use this vacation now, but the 4 nights in a bungalow next month won't be too shabby. :)
 
We will be at VWL 2 nights early March, so like Dad and many others say, we will do our part to report back. I am going with mixed emotions on this. Its been a few years since we have stayed at our beloved Lodge, and we are looking 4wd to it, but the other side of me is approaching with apprehension. The other resorts, including many stays at OKW, BWV, AKV, BLT and SSR, plus staying away a little since Stans passing has kept me at arms length with VWL. Dont get me wrong, visiting there every so often has been nice, but those things have kept me from biting the bullet and staying. I know, even to me it sounds trite, but now, the major construction, knowing what is taking place is a bit much. We are staying no matter what as my MIL needs a smaller resort, less walking to the amenities. I can only hope, and we can only wait and see what the outcome is.
 
We'll be back for a longer stay in February as Luv and I run the Princess Half Marathon. We thought about switching, but I think we'd rather embrace the construction and changes straight up rather than watch from afar. That the entire build/refurb will take two years fills me with trepidation.
 



















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