Very, Very, Very, Very, Very Slow Dumbo

[lugnut33]

Couldn't they have just used Operation Dumbo Drop?

Where's Danny Glover when you need him?

 

[Reddog1134]

Couldn't they have just used Operation Dumbo Drop?

Where's Danny Glover when you need him?

He's getting too old for that S###.

 

[mesaboy2]

Because they have plenty of money and the park is actually way down on capacity since they closed the Skyway and 20K Leagues Under the Sea years ago.. and attendance is way way up since then...? Not to mention losing all the Toon Town areas that haven't reopened yet plus Big Thunder being down still and the loss of the river watercraft and other smaller capacity attractions over the years?

This is of course based on statements made by the CFO about the finances of the parks and resorts division and attendance statements from the annual reports. So, no real misunderstanding to be had there.

And a single additional spinner for an extra few months is going to make that much of a dent?

Not change the subject.

I asked this in another Dumbo thread and it got lost. Does the new Dumbo have more cars than the old one therefore greater ride capacity?

I believe the old Dumbo had 16 cars. I'm pretty sure the new one does too. I don't know why they would spend all that time to repaint and match the two and it not have the same number of cars. That'd rank up there with the inches/centimeter thing on that failed space mission a few years back.

 

[WDSearcher]

When is the carnival stuff set to open? Is there any chance that it will be open by mid June?

Unfortunately, no. Think more towards late summer / fall. Disney tends to do big openings on or around October 1 -- it would not surprise me if they were looking towards that weekend for the official opening.

 

[WDSearcher]

Not change the subject.

I asked this in another Dumbo thread and it got lost. Does the new Dumbo have more cars than the old one therefore greater ride capacity?

I don't think so. When I saw the new Dumbo, I did a count and it seemed to be the same as what I remember the old Dumbo being. There will, of course, be greater ride capacity simply because there will (eventually) be two of them.

 

[chartle]

I believe the old Dumbo had 16 cars. I'm pretty sure the new one does too. I don't know why they would spend all that time to repaint and match the two and it not have the same number of cars. That'd rank up there with the inches/centimeter thing on that failed space mission a few years back.

All the FLE concept art showed two Dumbos and one had more cars than the other to increase guests per hour even more.

Yes I know its only concept art, not set in stone, but it seemed like everything showed a higher capacity Dumbo. I even think I saw a reference to it in the description.

Just wondering.

 

[disnut8]

If it made sense to the accountants to have Dumbo up and running quickly once it was shut down they would have planned to have everything ready to go and would work on it 24/7.

As an accountant, I resemble that remark and have to say you bet your darn butt it would have been back up and running ASAP IF it made sense.

However, no one on these boards knows what is going into everything to make it happen. My gosh, this will turn into "why is Test Track being down for so long" or "why is my resort's pool being refurbed" or whatever.

Someone will find something to complain about every single minute of every single day.

 

[WDSearcher]

Because they have plenty of money and the park is actually way down on capacity since they closed the Skyway and 20K Leagues Under the Sea years ago.. and attendance is way way up since then...? Not to mention losing all the Toon Town areas that haven't reopened yet plus Big Thunder being down still and the loss of the river watercraft and other smaller capacity attractions over the years?

This is of course based on statements made by the CFO about the finances of the parks and resorts division and attendance statements from the annual reports. So, no real misunderstanding to be had there.

And that all makes perfect sense if, indeed, it is a financial / budget-based decision. But I doubt that it is. I imagine that Disney would prefer to do a big ol' Fantasyland "grand re-opening" in a big flashy event than to open each thing piecemeal as it's finished. From a publicity standpoint -- and a "hey, other local parks, look over here!!" standpoint -- waiting until the majority of the rides, shops, food locations, etc. are open before dropping the rope (so to speak) is a MUCH bigger "ta da".

Dumbo and Barnstormer were very popular rides and important from the standpoint of having a couple of little kid rides, particularly with Toontown gone. So Disney rushed to finish one Dumbo and Barnstormer. Once those are open, you've got some breathing room because you haven't lost any other RIDES. You've maybe lost some play areas at Toontown and lost some space for people to go, but the coaster from Toontown is back, Dumbo is operational, the train station is open, and the only space you've really lost is part of Toontown. Because the rest of Fantasyland was "in addition to" not "instead of" real estate.

The other stuff that's closed is stuff that would have been closed either way.

 

[NLD]

They've got one Dumbo up and Barnstormer back. I can only assume the reason they didn't have both Dumbo spinners ready to go at the same time is because it simply wasn't a priority.

Could they do it faster?

Sure.

But they haven't. They didn't prioritize it.

Everyone is entitled to feel how they want about that of course. But this is one that simply doesn't bother me. I'd sort of rather they prioritize all the other stuff there is to do in MK as opposed to getting more ride capacity up for an already existing ride...

 

[Reddog1134]

All the FLE concept art showed two Dumbos and one had more cars than the other to increase guests per hour even more.

Yes I know its only concept art, not set in stone, but it seemed like everything showed a higher capacity Dumbo. I even think I saw a reference to it in the description.

Just wondering.

The spinner on the right does not actually have more ride vehicles. It's just spinning REALLY fast.

 

[Hannathy]

The spinner on the right does not actually have more ride vehicles. It's just spinning REALLY fast.

Ohhhhhhh!!! Lets start the next rumor!

Dumbo will now have an Orange and a Green side!!!

One side will be milder than the other side. This could really take off!
(pun intended)

 

[Robo]

I think another interesting question is, "Why did they close the original Dumbo so early before opening the current "soft opening" version?"

If they had just delayed the closing of the original ride by a couple of weeks ( or 3, maybe?) they could have had a Dumbo running continuously at MK, without a time when there was no Dumbo ride in operation.

It was in the back of my mind that they would have always intended to open the new one
at nearly exactly the same time as closing the old one.

 

[Jennasis]

Perhaps moving/erecting the actual spinner is fairly straightforward, but isn't there still a lot of theming and building to the AREA it's in, still to be done. The interactive waitless queue needs to be finished. The whole plan was to make it this big waitless queue, so why open both dumbos if the whole thing isn't ready?

Who knows?

Bottom line is that with ONE dumbo in operation the park is now back to where it was before it was shut down (dumbo-wise). Opening a second one is a bonus. Without it up there is no real negative effect.

As someone said upthread, I'll wait happily while they "do it right" rather than get a rushed fly-by-night set-up.

 

[danceintherain]

Oh how I love the DIS. Most of the world doesn't care, but the lapse of time before the second Dumbo re-opening is obviously very important.

Maybe they have something else up their sleeve? Basically, I'm sure they have a reason, even if nothing other than aesthetics, continuity, traffic flow, or not wanting to hire more CMs until the last possible minute.

 

[Prock]

When is the 2nd dumbo supposed to open anyway?
And when will the rest of storybook circus open?

 

[Robo]

When is the 2nd dumbo supposed to open anyway?
And when will the rest of storybook circus open?

"Fall 2012" for much of the rest of Fantasyland.

"Early 2013" for the final sections of Storybook Circus.
(Specifically for the Second Dumbo... who knows?)

"Late (Fall?) 2013" for the Seven Dwarf's Mine Train coaster.

 

[mesaboy2]

"Fall 2012" for much of the rest of Fantasyland.

"Spring (to Summer) 2013" for the Seven Dwarf's Mine Train coaster.

Hmm, I thought up until fairly recently it was projected for late 2013/early 2014. Time for me to catch up.

 

[Robo]

Hmm, I thought up until fairly recently it was projected for late 2013/early 2014. Time for me to catch up.

Reread my post.

 

[mbrittb00]

Because the one at Disney DOESN'T come to town on the back of a semi-

They've got building permits, safety needs, construction of the rest of fantasyland forest and storybook circus, stockholders, unions, weather, and a myriad of other considerations to deal with. They're also still working out kinks with the nextgen/xpass which will be necessary with the new interactive queue, as Dumbo is the first ride to be built around the next-gen idea... I'm sure they want to make sure they have everything figured out on the tech side before they get the ride live.

From what I've heard about nextGen there is not enough information out about nextGen to make this sort of claim. Would you like to enlighten us as to what you know?

 

[kaligal]

I don't know.

I don't think anyone else knows what it is, specifically, that is taking so long, either.