VAT tax, this sucks!!!!!!!!!!!

[HHSTigerFan]

No houses already are tax on their value same as cars. I really do not care if they tax certain brands of clothes if I have to pay more for my true religion jeans then I will understand or I can choose to change brands.

And a yacht is also taxed on its value same as cars..

 

[wtccheermom]

No, you don't. Or, rather, you're not supposed to.

And if your salon is charging 10% tax on the full package price, they're committing tax fraud.

The IRS clearly spells out what is and isn't taxable. It's right there at the link I provided.

I'm all for "everyone is entitled to their opinion", but this is tax law. And the IRS has made the law cut and dry.

Your salon is not supposed to be charging tax on the piece of your package that covers the spray tan. There's really no opinion or debate about it. They are ONLY supposed to levy the 10% against the monies to cover the bed tanning.

For example:
If you're paying $20 per month for your package, the salon is supposed to know how much is going to each service. Say that $15 is for bed tanning and $5 is for spray tanning.
Your new monthly payment should be 21.50...NOT $22.


You can explain what your salon is DOING as many times as you'd like. I understood it the first time. They're not supposed to. Read the IRS FAQ.

Well I am sure the accountants they have would argue otherwise. The salon I go to is a chain and a very big one in my state so I am sure that the cooperation that owns the franchise is well aware of what they can legally do and I am sure they are acting within their legal rights. Regardless adding a tax to tanning was a way to gain revenue for our government not to protect me from myself and my decision to tan.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Actually that is not true if you tan responsibly and 16 minutes a week is not a problem according to my doctor. Plus none of the funky side effects my meds were causing my skin is great and I have a healthy glow. Oh and just so everyone knows the 10% is also added to spray tanning which causes no health issues except for maybe an orangey glow on some. I wonder if some of you will be OK with added taxes to so called luxuries when it spills over to the hair salons and spas? The list could go on!

It's probably best to know what you're talking about before posting something where it may live on forever, attributed to you . I'm not disputing you dermatologist at all, but for one thing - why not plain old sun? I realize it may not be practical in the winter, but whenever it is, a 24 minute sun session seems safer than an eight minute session pressed up virtually right against the 'tanning' source.

Don't know where you're getting your information, but that glow you're getting isn't healthy (ask any melanoma victim); and, um, yes the 10% tax IS only on "electronic products designed for tanning that use one or more ultraviolet lamps with wavelengths between 200 and 400 nanometers*". Spray tans are absolutely exempt. This particular tax won't 'spill over' into hair salons and spas...unless they install tanning booths or beds.

* http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/24/news/economy/tanning_tax/

 

[wtccheermom]

It's probably best to know what you're talking about before posting something where it may live on forever, attributed to you . I'm not disputing you dermatologist at all, but for one thing - why not plain old sun? I realize it may not be practical in the winter, but whenever it is, a 24 minute sun session seems safer than an eight minute session pressed up virtually right against the 'tanning' source.

Don't know where you're getting your information, but that glow you're getting isn't healthy (ask any melanoma victim); and, um, yes the 10% tax IS only on "electronic products designed for tanning that use one or more ultraviolet lamps with wavelengths between 200 and 400 nanometers*". Spray tans are absolutely exempt. This particular tax won't 'spill over' into hair salons and spas...unless they install tanning booths or beds.

* http://money.cnn.com/2010/03/24/news/economy/tanning_tax/

Well I am sure my dermatologist knows a little a more about the subject than some poster on the DIS!! I am by no means what you would call tan from twice a week 8 minute visit and my skin well is 100 times better. AS for the spray tan if it is purchased individually it is not taxed but when it is included in a package with your regular type of tanning beds the 10% is taxed on the full price of the package. I just asked at my salon and this is what I was told now whether or not they what they are doing is right they same to think it is. I have stated this several times I am assuming you either did not read it or your comprehension is lacking.

 

[pilferk]

Well I am sure the accountants they have would argue otherwise. The salon I go to is a chain and a very big one in my state so I am sure that the cooperation that owns the franchise is well aware of what they can legally do and I am sure they are acting within their legal rights. Regardless adding a tax to tanning was a way to gain revenue for our government not to protect me from myself and my decision to tan.

If you say so.

Given I've studied the law, front to back, and consulted with half a dozen Ivy league educated (and teaching) corporate attorney's on this package of laws....I think I'll go with their interpretation (and the one given by the IRS, incidently) over the one given by a company who is pocketing the money.
I mean, It's not like the IRS clearly spells it out on their own web page, right?

The IRS says you can't "bundle" and tax on the total. You can't tax on the "value" of the service, either. Only on what's actually paid. It's against the law (and, again, clearly spelled out on the IRS web site) to do anything else.

But if it makes you feel better to think otherwise...

I'll not comment on the politics of it all...you all can debate that up one side and down the other.

 

[pilferk]

. I just asked at my salon and this is what I was told now whether or not they what they are doing is right they same to think it is.

Then point them (and their accountants/attorney) to the IRS.gov web site.

And refuse to do business with them until they abide by the laws set forth.

Or don't....whatever gets you through the night.

Given this has decended into me repeating, ad nauseum, the facts of the law.....I think I'm done here.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Well I am sure my dermatologist knows a little a more about the subject than some poster on the DIS!!

You would be surprised at the variety of careers represented here - but I'm not one of the physicians. That's why I asked a question.

AS for the spray tan if it is purchased individually it is not taxed but when it is included in a package with your regular type of tanning beds the 10% is taxed on the full price of the package.

I'm not the one who's been repeatedly trying to explain the law to you, and that your salon has been violating it. Simply because they're charging customers this tax on this service doesn't make it the law - which you initially stated it was - or even legal. If it means going to your state's Attorney General, or the U.S. Attorney General, you need to get that fixed... unless you all like paying invalid taxes?

and my skin well is 100 times better.

Oh, I forgot. While I'm not a doctor and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night , 100 times better would mean you're cured. I do know my math

 

[wtccheermom]

If you say so.

Given I've studied the law, front to back, and consulted with half a dozen Ivy league educated (and teaching) corporate attorney's on this package of laws....I think I'll go with their interpretation (and the one given by the IRS, incidently) over the one given by a company who is pocketing the money.
I mean, It's not like the IRS clearly spells it out on their own web page, right?

The IRS says you can't "bundle" and tax on the total. You can't tax on the "value" of the service, either. Only on what's actually paid. It's against the law (and, again, clearly spelled out on the IRS web site) to do anything else.

But if it makes you feel better to think otherwise...

I'll not comment on the politics of it all...you all can debate that up one side and down the other.

You know it is so amazing and humorous that this topic is so interesting to someone such as yourself that you bothered to discuss it with your Ivy League lawyers just to prove someone wrong on a message board. I personally don’t know any IVY league educated lawyers but I do know a few who were educated at state schools and well I can see them being far too busy to deal with this nonsense. I don’t care what the tanning bed does honestly because I don’t spray tan and they customized a package and price based on my limited need.

 

[wtccheermom]

You would be surprised at the variety of careers represented here - but I'm not one of the physicians. That's why I asked a question.

I'm not the one who's been repeatedly trying to explain the law to you, and that your salon has been violating it. Simply because they're charging customers this tax on this service doesn't make it the law - which you initially stated it was - or even legal. If it means going to your state's Attorney General, or the U.S. Attorney General, you need to get that fixed... unless you all like paying invalid taxes?

I don't spray tan or use the package that includes it so no trip to the Attorney General’s office for me. I use limited services there so what they do does not really concern me.

 

[wtccheermom]

Then point them (and their accountants/attorney) to the IRS.gov web site.

And refuse to do business with them until they abide by the laws set forth.

Or don't....whatever gets you through the night.

Given this has decended into me repeating, ad nauseum, the facts of the law.....I think I'm done here.

Yeah I am a little nauseous too!

 

[wtccheermom]

You would be surprised at the variety of careers represented here - but I'm not one of the physicians. That's why I asked a question.

I'm not the one who's been repeatedly trying to explain the law to you, and that your salon has been violating it. Simply because they're charging customers this tax on this service doesn't make it the law - which you initially stated it was - or even legal. If it means going to your state's Attorney General, or the U.S. Attorney General, you need to get that fixed... unless you all like paying invalid taxes?


Oh, I forgot. While I'm not a doctor and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night , 100 times better would mean you're cured. I do know my math

Yes as long as I continue I get no break outs as soon as stop for more than a week or two I break out again. It is not like I have some serious medical condition just an annoying skin condition that I could not get under control with medicine. This condition does not cause it discomfort but it is just ugly and I don't like and tanning works for me. I should have to be taxed unfairly on it because the government is trying to make me realize the danger of it.

 

[kaytieeldr]

You know it is so amazing and humorous that this topic is so interesting to someone such as yourself that you bothered to discuss it with your Ivy League lawyers just to prove someone wrong on a message board. I personally don’t know any IVY league educated lawyers but I do know a few who were educated at state schools and well I can see them being far too busy to deal with this nonsense. I don’t care what the tanning bed does honestly because I don’t spray tan and they customized a package and price based on my limited need.

You know it's amazing and humorous to think that someone on this board would find it so amazing and humorous that someone else on this board who happens to have acquaintances who are Ivy (not IVY, it's not an acronym) League educated attorneys wouldn't have discussed this tax change with them a number of times in the twelve and a half months since the Health Care Bill was signed, or the over nine months it's been in effect, but suddenly now due to an anonymous message board post contacts or consults with or conferences them all on a Friday afternoon for advice

 

[kaytieeldr]

I should have to be taxed unfairly on it because the government is trying to make me realize the danger of it.

Maybe you should read some of the links, or just Google it yourself. First, thanks to research some DISers have done for you, you know with the right practitioner your treatment could be tax-free. Second, artificial tanning was chosen because it's most frequently cosmetic/optional/not necessary for daily living.

 

[chirogrrl]

Good idea!

I am so sick of hearing about OBAMA care. People realize CONGRESS voted for this I hope.

Exactly. It's actually called the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

 

[wtccheermom]

You know it's amazing and humorous to think that someone on this board would find it so amazing and humorous that someone else on this board who happens to have acquaintances who are Ivy (not IVY, it's not an acronym) League educated attorneys wouldn't have discussed this tax change with them a number of times in the twelve and a half months since the Health Care Bill was signed, or the over nine months it's been in effect, but suddenly now due to an anonymous message board post contacts or consults with or conferences them all on a Friday afternoon for advice

BLAH BLAH BLAH is really all I am hearing from you . You know what is funny is I am assuming the two of you have never stepped foot in a tanning salon and someone who has like myself is discussing their experiences that they have had with the tax and is completely attacked because it does not fall in line with what you believe to be correct. I am not an idiot I realize what the law say says but when I specifically asked the salon director today when I was there for my appointment she said this “there is no way they can deduct the spray tan off the package price because it is included in unlimited tanning and so there is no way to know what the usage will be prior to billing”. She also assured that they received this info from their cooperate lawyers (again it is a big chain/franchise) and they are well within the law. SO you think over the past 9 months that has been going on if in fact what they were doing was illegal they would have been gigged on it by now.

 

[wtccheermom]

Maybe you should read some of the links, or just Google it yourself. First, thanks to research some DISers have done for you, you know with the right practitioner your treatment could be tax-free. Second, artificial tanning was chosen because it's most frequently cosmetic/optional/not necessary for daily living.

An indoor tanning tax will therefore "serve as a signal from the federal government to young people that indoor tanning is dangerous and should be avoided," said Dr. William James, president of the academy.

From your link!!!

 

[pintamino]

She also assured that they received this info from their cooperate lawyers (again it is a big chain/franchise) and they are well within the law. SO you think over the past 9 months that has been going on if in fact what they were doing was illegal they would have been gigged on it by now.

A lawyer saying something is right is no guarantee that it is.

 

[cm8]

I find this tax to be blatantly racist.

, Caucasians are NOT the only people who TAN

I'm struggling with how this tax is blatantly racist

 

[CowboyCO]

, Caucasians are NOT the only people who TAN

I'm struggling with how this tax is blatantly racist

91% of people who indoor tan identify themselves as caucasion or latino according to a recent study.

The tax unfairly targets people with lighter skin. It's would be just as unfair if they taxed hair straightening products because of the risk of health problems related to the chemicals. It would unfairly target African Americans even though the use of hair straighteners in not limited to African Americans.

 

[Tink-aholic]

Wow. It's almost like a corporation has never been wrong before. Or sued for tax fraud.