Universal Orlando-Epic Universe

[Weedy]

Epic Universe starts construction again. Construction was stopped a year ago because of the pandemic.

 

[ford91exploder]

And as usual Disney once again falls behind in the them park races

 

[Missingmypooh]

Seaworld is going to really struggle, most people use that as a filler day for a week long vaca.

LEGOLAND is working on their next gate in addition to universal.

 

[ford91exploder]

Seaworld is going to really struggle, most people use that as a filler day for a week long vaca.

LEGOLAND is working on their next gate in addition to universal.

Not sure about Seaworld though it brings in a different group of orlando tourists on a Venn diagram there is some overlap with Disney/Universal but not as much as one would think, but they are still reeling from the bungled response to ‘Blackfish’ which conveniently left out the fact that SeaWorld is one of the worlds largest and most active marine anImal rescue organizations and those orca shows helped fund that activity. But corporate weasels are the same everywhere....

 

[Eric Smith]

And as usual Disney once again falls behind in the them park races

Disney has four parks and two water parks in Orlando, this will bring Universal to three parks and one water park. In what world does that put Disney behind?

 

[Eric Smith]

Seaworld is going to really struggle, most people use that as a filler day for a week long vaca.

LEGOLAND is working on their next gate in addition to universal.

Legoland's next gate is going to be tiny. I don't think it compares to any of the other Orlando area parks.

 

[Missingmypooh]

Legoland's next gate is going to be tiny. I don't think it compares to any of the other Orlando area parks.

I do believe it will compare.

A long weekend at an all inclusive package (since they have resorts and dining plans) at LEGOLAND in a few years time will be significantly cheaper than Disney World. Three parks for three days and a ton of perks will look appetizing in a side by side comparison

Merlin claims to be the second largest international theme park chain (behind only Disney) and if the last 10 years of building LEGOLAND Orlando predict the builds for the next 10 years, LEGOLAND would be a major player for families with younger kids.

in my mind disney always wins, but it would be foolish not to play the devils advocate. LEGOLAND is pumping out a lot of movies and getting kid’s really addicted from 2+ years of age. With the right marketing team and some time, they would be an incredible power house.

 

[jlwhitney]

I do believe it will compare.

A long weekend at an all inclusive package (since they have resorts and dining plans) at LEGOLAND in a few years time will be significantly cheaper than Disney World. Three parks for three days and a ton of perks will look appetizing in a side by side comparison

Merlin claims to be the second largest international theme park chain (behind only Disney) and if the last 10 years of building LEGOLAND Orlando predict the builds for the next 10 years, LEGOLAND would be a major player for families with younger kids.

in my mind disney always wins, but it would be foolish not to play the devils advocate. LEGOLAND is pumping out a lot of movies and getting kid’s really addicted from 2+ years of age. With the right marketing team and some time, they would be an incredible power house.

What legoland is building is a tiny little peppa pig park, I don't think it will compare at all. Legoland is awesome for ages 3-12. Peppa pig is gonna be mainly the 2-6 crowd for the most part. Its really not going to be something people spend days at. Now I think its great for locals for something to do with thier little kids.

I hope soon Legoland actually does another main expansion in its main park personally and add more to its water park,

 

[Pooh's World]

I think the battle for Sea World will begin soon. Whoever gets it, Disney/Universal moves one step closer into the other's territory. Sea World is like a buffer state in the theme park balance of power.

 

[Missingmypooh]

What legoland is building is a tiny little peppa pig park, I don't think it will compare at all. Legoland is awesome for ages 3-12. Peppa pig is gonna be mainly the 2-6 crowd for the most part. Its really not going to be something people spend days at. Now I think its great for locals for something to do with thier little kids.

I hope soon Legoland actually does another main expansion in its main park personally and add more to its water park,

I agree. The current newly announced gate is tiny. But they’ve been adding something every 18 months or so- if that holds true- they will be a major competitor for families in the future.

If that doesn’t hold true... well then Disney holds its title with no competition for the littles.
Personally I’d like a little competition, it always breeds well for the consumers!

 

[jlwhitney]

I agree. The current newly announced gate is tiny. But they’ve been adding something every 18 months or so- if that holds true- they will be a major competitor for families in the future.

If that doesn’t hold true... well then Disney holds its title with no competition for the littles.
Personally I’d like a little competition, it always breeds well for the consumers!

I agree that in the future they could be a bigger competitor for families with younger kids. My 8 and 5 yo actually like legoland more than Disney because lots of rides they can do and less crowds so they can bounce ride to ride easily. We got passes in sept since they have better rules right now and it’s been so much fun and honestly great customer service too.

 

[New Mouse]

Disney has four parks and two water parks in Orlando, this will bring Universal to three parks and one water park. In what world does that put Disney behind?

The fresh factor. Universal will have the last 3 major new gates in Orlando, save Legoland.

 

[PetePanMan]

Competition is good

 

[Lewisc]

I think the battle for Sea World will begin soon. Whoever gets it, Disney/Universal moves one step closer into the other's territory. Sea World is like a buffer state in the theme park balance of power.

Disney still has available land. Universal has Epic. I don't see either buying SW, at other then a fire sale.

 

[Eric Smith]

The fresh factor. Universal will have the last 3 major new gates in Orlando, save Legoland.

Disney has plenty of new lands in that time. Universal has to build a new park because their current parks are basically full short of tearing areas down and rebuilding. Disney still has space in their parks for expansion.

 

[hertamaniac]

What legoland is building is a tiny little peppa pig park, I don't think it will compare at all.

I agree; they aren't in competition for the same audience and offer a less crowded experience. They are a perfect shoehorn theme park for the area.

 

[Grumpy by Birth]

Don't forget that SW has parks in several other states, plus Aquatica, Discovery Cove, Busch Gardens/Water Country in Tampa and Williamsburg, VA, and Sesame place in PA.

Whether they would want/need to sell SW Orlando would be tied somewhat to their overall position with all of their theme parks.

 

[ford91exploder]

Not sure about Seaworld though it brings in a different group of orlando tourists on a Venn diagram there is some overlap with Disney/Universal but not as much as one would think, but they are still reeling from the bungled response to ‘Blackfish’ which conveniently left out the fact that SeaWorld is one of the worlds largest and most active marine anImal rescue organizations and those orca shows helped fund that activity. But corporate weasels are the same everywhere.... a yellow stripe a mile wide

Also the bus tours tend to visit SeaWorld as well because of its size

 

[New Mouse]

Disney has plenty of new lands in that time. Universal has to build a new park because their current parks are basically full short of tearing areas down and rebuilding. Disney still has space in their parks for expansion.

3 major new gates vs new lands, no comparison. Having expansion plots is great....theyve had those same plots for decades. Disney is content to be more of a museum.

 

[ford91exploder]

3 major new gates vs new lands, no comparison. Having expansion plots is great....theyve had those same plots for decades. Disney is content to be more of a museum.

If only Disney was a museum serving up our favorite attractions from the past and present now Disney is Now Wall St Disney concerned about the short term stock price.

disney subscribes to the blue ocean theory that they have no competition. Just imagine if Merlin's SeaWorld and Universal do a joint venture where their markets overlap. SeaWorld has a lot to offer including some incredible coasters. What does Disney have to offer thats fresh and new.

Disney did the impossible they reduced Star Wars once an evergreen IP to total irrelevance and disinterest. I’d rather watch ‘The Incredible Mr Limpet’ or ’The apple dumpling gang’ than any of the new star wars movies. Just look at the price of Star Wars collectibles dropping like a falling safe on Ebay and how Toys R' Us could not even sell Star Wars items with a list price in the hundreds even for a dollar.

Literally the only stuff left in my local Toys R- US was fixtures and Star Wars items. I was there to buy pallet racks for our company. That tells you what DIsney did to the Star Wars brand. It's deader than the dinosaurs.