Universal is taking advantage of Disney's weak spot

[OnSpaceshipEarth]

This is kind of ridiculous. Disney is just a theme park. Universal is just a theme park. I don't go to either one of them to feel love. I go to experience a theme park. At the moment, Universal is creating a better theme park experience in terms of attractions, heading over there to check it out and have fun is not to get back at Disney, it is to ride rides at a theme park period.

It's just so odd to me why this gets so personal. Why can you only love one? I love Disney and I love Universal. True I used to be more of a Disney girl than a Uni girl and now it's the reverse but it has nothing to do with what Disney did to "scorn" me. Universal just has something Disney does not have and will not be able to provide me with and that is Harry Potter. Nothing will or can compete with that but that doesn't change my love of Disney in the slightest. I just spend more time at Universal now because they have a product I want more than I want anything that Disney has. I still will go to Disney, I still do go to Disney, just not as much as I used to because of Potter being up the street. Luckily I don't have to choose, I can just go to both and have an amazing vacation.

I just don't see why you have to love one or the other. There is no contract that you can only love one or visit one. The whole idea of it is just mind boggling.

It may "boggle" your mind...but it's a reality for many people. WDW is much more than "a theme park" to millions of people. It's a fact...it's internal and personal. It's not for *you*...that's fine.

Once again my cute little "scorned lover" analogy was used to explain how I think many are using the Universal vs. Disney situation. There is nothing in my post that insinuated that it even applied to a *majority*. But there are many more Disney fans out there that have WDW as one of their life passions than you would probably think and it *is* VERY personal.

 

[Mad Hattered]

I think implying that many people are vacationing somewhere they consider second best and saying they enjoy it simply because they want to stick it to Disney is ridiculous. Sorry. I believe every single one of those people when they say they love Universal, and I don't assume the love is only there because they're angry at Disney.

You started this thread comparing Universal to Disney, and now you're throwing around assumptions about the people posting in the very discussion you started? Not cool.

That's like assuming many people who love their local burger joint and talk about how awesome it is when people compare it to McDonalds only do because they're angry at McDonalds for hurting them (even though some of them really love McDonalds too). Crazy. Some people love McDonalds and the local place. That's valid. Some people hate McDonalds and love the local place (for reasons that have nothing to do with McDonalds). That's valid too.

I agree. I love both of them (contrary to popular belief). The FP+ was the tipping point for us. Does that mean we won't go WDW again? Nope. Does it mean we will hold off for 3-4 years? Yes.

We just went to Disneyland in February so if "we" were haters then we wouldn't bother with it. We felt we got our money's worth out there (if there is such a thing) so that is what we did. We are going to Orlando in Sept/Oct and will be staying onsite at Univeral. Why? Because they have a new "land" to discover and we prefer the relaxed atmosphere and onsite experience.

It really is as simple as that.

 

[OnSpaceshipEarth]

I think implying that many people are vacationing somewhere they consider second best and saying they enjoy it simply because they want to stick it to Disney is ridiculous. Sorry. I believe every single one of those people when they say they love Universal, and I don't assume the love is only there because they're angry at Disney.

You started this thread comparing Universal to Disney, and now you're throwing around assumptions about the people posting in the very discussion you started? Not cool.

That's like assuming many people who love their local burger joint and talk about how awesome it is when people compare it to McDonalds only do because they're angry at McDonalds for hurting them (even though some of them really love McDonalds too). Crazy. Some people love McDonalds and the local place. That's valid. Some people hate McDonalds and love the local place (for reasons that have nothing to do with McDonalds). That's valid too.

Once again...I said Disney was their "true love". They would much rather have all this exciting new stuff at WDW.

Sorry...I don't know why this is so hard to grasp for some of you.

 

[OnSpaceshipEarth]

You started this thread comparing Universal to Disney, and now you're throwing around assumptions about the people posting in the very discussion you started? Not cool.

I believe it stemmed from MichiganDVC wondering why people are choosing to extol Universal on WDW boards and not Uni boards, right? So I threw out a theory I have about "many"...I'm allowed that, right?

That's "not cool"?

 

[morethananyonex]

Once again...I said Disney was their "true love". They would much rather have all this exciting new stuff at WDW.

Sorry...I don't know why this is so hard to grasp for some of you.

Yeah, it's not that some of us can't grasp what you said.

We're grasping. We just disagree with you and think you're wrong. Don't know why that's so hard to grasp either. Go read some of the other Universal threads. You'll see many (lots, most, some, majority, whatever describing word works for you) people who absolutely love Disney talk about their love for Universal and why they love them both. No mention of wishing all that stuff would be at Disney instead.

It's really, truly possible to love both separately for different reasons. I don't know why so many people on these boards have trouble with understanding that and throw around the kind of accusations that you are.

 

[OnSpaceshipEarth]

Don't be a hater. Who is "they"?

The "they" would be those that MichiganDVC was wondering about when he asked why they aren't going on and on about how great Universal is on boards *dedicated* to Universal and not WDW.

I'm no "hater", btw. I'm all about the love.

 

[morethananyonex]

I believe it stemmed from MichiganDVC wondering why people are choosing to extol Universal on WDW boards and not Uni boards, right. So I threw out a theory I have about "many"...I'm allowed that, right.

That's "not cool"?

You're allowed to say whatever you want as long as it follows the rules of the site, obviously.

Just like people are allowed to call you out on something you say and disagree with you when we find it to be nonsense. I can post a theory that many people who post about how they love Disney are just kool aid drinkers and they just secretly wish Disney could be as awesome as Universal. That would be rude, and I would be surprised if I wasn't called out about it.

 

[MichiganDVC]

Once again...I said Disney was their "true love". They would much rather have all this exciting new stuff at WDW.

Sorry...I don't know why this is so hard to grasp for some of you.

Sorry I took your thread down this rabbit hole.

I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous.

Universal is not a weapon. As shown by the few threads that have contained Universal discussion the last few days, many people genuinely love Universal because of what Universal is doing, not because of what Disney isn't doing.

Go read some of the other Universal threads. You'll see many (lots, most, some, majority, whatever describing word works for you) people who absolutely love Disney talk about their love for Universal and why they love them both. No mention of wishing all that stuff would be at Disney instead.

Back to my original point... WHY is this being discussed on the WDW theme parks part of Disboards? How is "Here's what I love about Universal" a Walt Disney World theme park attraction or strategy?

If these people really loved Universal and just want to talk about Universal, they can scroll down to the Universal/Sea World forum right here on the Disboards, right?

No, they are posting here because it IS a competition to them and they are trying to prove something to Disney fans. Little brother always has something to prove...

 

[sethschroeder]

I think implying that many people are vacationing somewhere they consider second best and saying they enjoy it simply because they want to stick it to Disney is ridiculous. Sorry. I believe every single one of those people when they say they love Universal, and I don't assume the love is only there because they're angry at Disney.

You started this thread comparing Universal to Disney, and now you're throwing around assumptions about the people posting in the very discussion you started? Not cool.

That's like assuming many people who love their local burger joint and talk about how awesome it is when people compare it to McDonalds only do because they're angry at McDonalds for hurting them (even though some of them really love McDonalds too). Crazy. Some people love McDonalds and the local place. That's valid. Some people hate McDonalds and love the local place (for reasons that have nothing to do with McDonalds). That's valid too.

Sorry but the analogy works as Disney and Universal are not your local burger joints. They are much much much more like your local college or professional sports team. You are not supposed to like the Bears and Packers, Yankees and Red Soxs, Red Wings and Blackhawks, Pistons and Celtics, Florida and FSU and many more.

This is always what boggles my mind when ever trying to consider they are in the same realm. You have Universal which in its own right has amazing things going for it and is a great THEME PARK. Then you have Disney which is a childhood, lifestyle, and personal experience. This is part of the reason the Disney faithful look at Universal champions and laugh as to say "you think your worthy to even say Disney and Universal in the same breath?"

In the end its a good thing that Universal is somewhat gaining at least some ground as it might make Disney actually try.

 

[MichiganDVC]

The "they" would be those that MichiganDVC was wondering about when he asked why they aren't going on and on about how great Universal is on boards *dedicated* to Universal and not WDW.

I'm no "hater", btw. I'm all about the love.

I'm a "she," for the record.

 

[OnSpaceshipEarth]

Yeah, it's not that some of us can't grasp what you said.

We're grasping. We just disagree with you and think you're wrong. Don't know why that's so hard to grasp either. Go read some of the other Universal threads. You'll see many (lots, most, some, majority, whatever describing word works for you) people who absolutely love Disney talk about their love for Universal and why they love them both. No mention of wishing all that stuff would be at Disney instead.

It's really, truly possible to love both separately for different reasons. I don't know why so many people on these boards have trouble with understanding that and throw around the kind of accusations that you are.

With all due respect, who's "throwing around accusations"? Words *mean* things, so I'm sorry if I want to highlight that I said I "think" that "many" that post about how great Universal is on WDW boards may be of this mindset.

You disagree...fine.

 

[MichiganDVC]

Well, that was fun, folks! Thanks to you, I got no work done today.

 

[morethananyonex]

Back to my original point... WHY is this being discussed on the WDW theme parks part of Disboards? How is "Here's what I love about Universal" a Walt Disney World theme park attraction or strategy?

If these people really loved Universal and just want to talk about Universal, they can scroll down to the Universal/Sea World forum right here on the Disboards, right?

No, they are posting here because it IS a competition to them and they are trying to prove something to Disney fans. Little brother always has something to prove...

Ask the OP. This thread didn't go off on a tangent. It was always a Universal vs Disney thread. OP started this as "little brother having something to prove" thread, you certainly can't blame others for continuing the discussion. Did a moderator not already come on here and say this type of discussion is allowed? I'm not sure why this is still being questioned.

Sorry but the analogy works as Disney and Universal are not your local burger joints. They are much much much more like your local college or professional sports team. You are not supposed to like the Bears and Packers, Yankees and Red Soxs, Red Wings and Blackhawks, Pistons and Celtics, Florida and FSU and many more.

This is always what boggles my mind when ever trying to consider they are in the same realm. You have Universal which in its own right has amazing things going for it and is a great THEME PARK. Then you have Disney which is a childhood, lifestyle, and personal experience. This is part of the reason the Disney faithful look at Universal champions and laugh as to say "you think your worthy to even say Disney and Universal in the same breath?"

In the end its a good thing that Universal is somewhat gaining at least some ground as it might make Disney actually try.

So insert your appropriate example. The point still stands. People are capable of liking something because of it's merits, and not simply to stick it to something else. It's crazy to think that there are "many" people spending their hard earned vacation money and time on something that is second best to them just to prove a point. Prove it to who? Posters on here? A company that likely won't even notice? Come on.

 

[OnSpaceshipEarth]

I'm a "she," for the record.

My apologies, madam.

 

[fairyprincess88]

Actually not many even know there is a Universal section of this forum and they don't scroll down enough to see it. They see "theme park attractions and strategies" and think "well Universal is a theme park".

Read through and see how many threads are moved to the Uni section or how many posts in the Uni section say, "I didn't know there was a Universal section". It happens all the time. I read both sections daily and it's always been a common theme.

Also, when someone creates a thread like this one, well of course people who like Universal are going to chime in because well...it's a thread about Universal.

Yes there are some who post "I am going to Universal so suck it Disney" threads to and think they are sticking it to Disney or whatever but it's not the reason most say they like Universal, the truth is that they just honestly like Universal. There are many on this forum who think both are wonderful theme park resorts and if they get the chance to talk about why they like both then they do.

I guess I just don't see what the big deal is. It's actually more common for the main Disney visitor to check out all the parks in Orlando when there, not just WDW and some coming for info and not going to think to go section hopping on the boards and just post in what looks like a common "theme park" section. To many there is no war of theme park worlds going on, they just want info on what all the parks offer.

Yes there are pot stirrers and so on but most are just posting about a theme park on a theme park board.

 

[OnSpaceshipEarth]

Ask the OP. This thread didn't go off on a tangent. It was always a Universal vs Disney thread. OP started this as "little brother having something to prove" thread, you certainly can't blame others for continuing the discussion. Did a moderator not already come on here and say this type of discussion is allowed? I'm not sure why this is still being questioned.



So insert your appropriate example. The point still stands. People are capable of liking something because of it's merits, and not simply to stick it to something else. It's crazy to think that there are "many" people spending their hard earned vacation money and time on something that is second best to them just to prove a point. Prove it to who? Posters on here? A company that likely won't even notice? Come on.

@morethananyonex

I'm truly sorry I've made you so angry.

 

[MichiganDVC]

Ask the OP. This thread didn't go off on a tangent. It was always a Universal vs Disney thread. OP started this as "little brother having something to prove" thread, you certainly can't blame others for continuing the discussion. Did a moderator not already come on here and say this type of discussion is allowed? I'm not sure why this is still being questioned.

So, I guess this horse is not dead yet.

I wasn't saying the discussion wasn't allowed. I wasn't saying that Disney v. Universal comparison isn't valid. I was saying that there are WAY more "Here's why I love Universal" posts on the WDW forum than there are on the Uni/Sea World Forum. And I think its because they are trying to prove something to Disney fans. Otherwise, they'd talk amongst themselves in the Uni forums.

As a Michigan resident, I am fairly used to this. As you may or may not know, the University of Michigan and Michigan State University have a bit of a rivalry. Michigan State fans never seem to comment on articles about THEIR teams in the local newspapers, but they are all over the Michigan articles. Why? Because little brother (MSU) is not content to have their own achievements. They are in a state of constant competition with Michigan. And Michigan thinks MSU is no more than an annoying flea, even if sometimes they are successful. So when I read an article about a Michigan football recruit and every other comment is about MSU and their recruits, it gets pretty irritating. And, of course, their articles have no comments because no one cares.....

 

[morethananyonex]

@morethananyonex

I'm truly sorry I've made you so angry.

You haven't made me angry. This is a discussion board, everything you post has a right to be discussed. You have a right to your opinion, just as everyone else has a right to disagree with it. When you start having opinions about other people's opinions, it starts to get even stickier.

I think it's completely unfair to dismiss the opinions of "many" like you did, and it doesn't even really apply to me. We haven't visited Universal in over 20 years. If something posted something like what you said about Disney fans instead, it wouldn't be pretty.

 

[DOOM1001]

Actually, to have a more global view, if you want to talk numbers, the theme park with the largest percentage gains by far has been Disney's California Adventure...

If you're talking about 2012 after DCA's refurb,DCA attendance went up about 22%,if you actually go back to 2011 the first full year with Potter at IOA,IOA attendance went up about 30%.Since attendance at USF wasn't as impressive they obviously corrected that with Diagon alley.I have AP's to all the Florida parks,Disney,Universal,Busch Gardens and Sea World and while I love them all you pretty much have to be blind to not see the lack of new attractions in the Disney parks.Honestly if it wasn't for their special events,Christmas,the Epcot F&W and F&G festivals with their concerts and the Run Disney races the place will actually get pretty boring rather quickly.I know that Universal will never catch up to Disney as the parks currently stand,however at the speed that Universal is building new attractions compared to Disney and even though Disney has all the space in the world to build I see Universal building a third park before Disney builds at fifth,there's actually been rumors and filings for some sort of new park on I-Drive across from Universal.They've already opened Cabana Bay adding hotel rooms,they're adding a bunch of new restaurants to Citywalk and in all honesty the day they open a third park is the day Disney will really have to start worrying about their bottom line.

 

[morethananyonex]

So, I guess this horse is not dead yet.

I wasn't saying the discussion wasn't allowed. I wasn't saying that Disney v. Universal comparison isn't valid. I was saying that there are WAY more "Here's why I love Universal" posts on the WDW forum than there are on the Uni/Sea World Forum. And I think its because they are trying to prove something to Disney fans. Otherwise, they'd talk amongst themselves in the Uni forums.

As a Michigan resident, I am fairly used to this. As you may or may not know, the University of Michigan and Michigan State University have a bit of a rivalry. Michigan State fans never seem to comment on articles about THEIR teams in the local newspapers, but they are all over the Michigan articles. Why? Because little brother (MSU) is not content to have their own achievements. They are in a state of constant competition with Michigan. And Michigan thinks MSU is no more than an annoying flea, even if sometimes they are successful. So when I read an article about a Michigan football recruit and every other comment is about MSU and their recruits, it gets pretty irritating. And, of course, their articles have no comments because no one cares.....

I'm sorry, I didn't realized you asked a question with the intent to not get a response. You can let the horse rest after this one if you'd like .

You're the one who specifically asked why this is being discussed here. It's because it's allowed to be, like has already been stated by a moderator. You don't need to read it if you don't like it. It's not as if people busted in on a thread discussing the merits of going to the MK with how much it sucks and how much better Universal is. The discussion was specifically comparing the two