Unbelievable Indiana Bill

wvrevy

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If you are single or *gasp* gay, you will not be allowed to have a medical procedure (in vitro fertilization, for example) in order to get pregnant. And here we were told that Republicans were for smaller government. :rolleyes:
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Indiana bill would limit reproduction procedures for gays, singles
Panel to make recommendation to Legislature on Oct. 20
INDIANAPOLIS (AP) | Oct 4, 4:18 PM

An interim legislative committee is considering a bill that would prohibit gays, lesbians and single people in Indiana from using medical science to assist them in having a child.

Sen. Patricia Miller (R-Indianapolis) said state law does not have regulations on assisted reproduction and should have similar requirements to adoption in Indiana.

"If were going to try to put Indiana on the map, I wouldn't go this route," said Betty Cockrum, president and CEO of Planned Parenthood of Indiana. "It feels pretty chilling. It is governmental intrusion into a very private part of our lives."

Miller acknowledged that the legislation would be "enormously controversial."

"Our statutes are nearly silent on all this. You can think of guidelines, but when you put it on paper it becomes different," she told The Journal Gazette of Fort Wayne for a story Tuesday.

Miller is chairwoman of the Health Finance Commission, a panel of lawmakers that will vote Oct. 20 on whether to recommend the legislation to the full General Assembly.

The bill defines assisted reproduction as causing pregnancy by means other than sexual intercourse, including intrauterine insemination, donation of an egg, donation of an embryo, in vitro fertilization and transfer of an embryo, and sperm injection.

It then requires "intended parents" to be married to each other and says an unmarried person may not be an intended parent.

A doctor cannot begin an assisted reproduction technology procedure that may result in a child being born until the intended parents have received a certificate of satisfactory completion of an assessment required under the bill. The assessment is similar to what is required for infant adoption and would be conducted by a licensed child placing agency in Indiana.

The required information includes the fertility history of the parents, education and employment information, personality descriptions, verification of marital status, child care plans and criminal history checks. Description of the family lifestyle of the intended parents also is required, including participation in faith-based or church activities.

The legislation appears to affect some married couples, although the rough draft is unclear at times. Miller said the draft will be clarified before a vote.

The bill does not apply to assisted reproduction in which the child is the genetic child of both of the intended parents, for example, the sperm is from the father and the egg is from the mother. But married couples that need one or the other would still have to go through an assessment process and establish parentage in a court.

Ken Falk, legal director for the Indiana Civil Liberties Union, said his office began hearing about the bill Friday, a day after the rough draft was discussed by the Health Finance Commission.

He said it sets up a clear discrimination that would be difficult to uphold in court, and considers the bill to be unique nationally.

"My question is 'What is the danger that we are legislating against?' Are we saying that only married persons should be able to be parents, which is certainly a slap in the face to many same-sex couples but also to many who do not have a partner but have undertaken being a parent," Falk said.

Miller said the state often reacted to problems and that she wanted to be proactive on this issue.

"We're not trying to stop people from having kids; we're just trying to find some guidelines," she said.

She acknowledged such a law would bar single people from using methods other than sexual intercourse but said "all the studies indicate the best environment for a child is to have a two-parent family — a mother and a father."
 
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Have they lost their minds? Are they even remotely serious?

I'm going to start with %$#@*&! and go down hill from there!

Next, they'll put up a bill that takes away children from un-wed mothers since OBVIOUSLY and woman that would dare to have a baby without being married must be unfit!

"best for a child to have two parents" Well, if chidlren only belong in situations that are "ideal" then poor people shouldn't have kids then, right? What about divorced parents, should their kids be taken away? How about Atheists? They don't beleive in God, they can't be fit parents!

If I lived in IN, I'd call my state rep and give him/her a HUGE piece of my mind! :mad:
 
What about immaculate conceptions?
 
If you read carefully, it is only a "consideration" at the present. Contrary to your title, it is NOT a bill . . . and I don't think it will ever get there.
 

wvrevy said:
"We're not trying to stop people from having kids; we're just trying to find some guidelines," she said.

She acknowledged such a law would bar single people from using methods other than sexual intercourse but said "all the studies indicate the best environment for a child is to have a two-parent family — a mother and a father."


Well, yeah, they ARE trying to stop people from having kids--unless the gov't believes they are the kind of people they believe should be allowed to have children.

What a bunch of malarkey. I'd be calling my representative and giving him/her a piece of my mind, too.
 
Deb in IA said:
If you read carefully, it is only a "consideration" at the present. Contrary to your title, it is NOT a bill . . . and I don't think it will ever get there.

I think it's sick it's even being "considered"!

I realize that not everyone in the country feels that "alternative lifestyles" are acceptable. And that's fine, it's their right to feel that way. But when you start imposing YOUR ideals on to other's that it gets very, very dangerous. Where does it stop? And who's ideals should be the "right" ones we should all follow?
 
How does a gay couple have a baby? Two men cannot have a baby...science ain't THAT advanced, LOL! Now I suppose a lesbian couple or a single female could find a sperm bank, but a gay couple would have to find a "carrier" for their child!
 
Deb in IA said:
If you read carefully, it is only a "consideration" at the present. Contrary to your title, it is NOT a bill . . . and I don't think it will ever get there.
Um, no...Maybe you should read a little more carefully:

An interim legislative committee is considering a bill that would prohibit gays, lesbians and single people in Indiana from using medical science to assist them in having a child.

It's a bill until it is signed into law. Didn't you ever watch Saturday morning cartoons ? I'm just a bill. Yes I'm only a bill. And I'm sittin' here on Capitol Hill...... Ring a bell ? :teeth:
 
Free4Life11 said:
How does a gay couple have a baby? Two men cannot have a baby...science ain't THAT advanced, LOL! Now I suppose a lesbian couple or a single female could find a sperm bank, but a gay couple would have to find a "carrier" for their child!
Lesbians aren't gay ? :rotfl: And again, two gay men would be barred by this bill, should it become a law, from finding a surrogate.
 
Well most people I know call homosexual women lesbians and homosexual men gay.

I don't really know much about the surrogate thing...do they pay the surrogate?? I guess that's one way to finance a Disney trip!! LMAO!
 
I think instead of this bill, they should be providing more incentives to adopt that way children without a home would have a good home.
 
And here we were told that Republicans were for smaller government.

Only in business matters. Didn't you get the memo? Get government out of our boardrooms and into your bedrooms.
 
Good luck with that Indiana. :rolleyes:
 
Free4Life11 said:
I think instead of this bill, they should be providing more incentives to adopt that way children without a home would have a good home.

This is a wonderful thought, but many agencies will not let same sex couples adopt children. In fact the state of Texas and Florida are both working on bills to not only stop homosexuals from adopting children, but to remove children in foster care from these individuals as well.

~Amanda
 
wvrevy said:
An interim legislative committee is considering a bill that would prohibit gays, lesbians and single people in Indiana from using medical science to assist them in having a child.
Oh, something else you forgot to read, wvrevy . . .


wvrevy said:
An interim legislative committee is considering a bill that would prohibit gays, lesbians and single people in Indiana from using medical science to assist them in having a child.



It won't make it out of committee. And I know how to use big fonts too :rolleyes:
 
The fact that it even made it to committee for consideration is sickening. I don't care if it doesn't have a chance in you know where to pass, it's sad that someone would actually take time to author and sponsor a bill like this.
 
Deb in IA said:
Oh, something else you forgot to read, wvrevy . . .

It won't make it out of committee. And I know how to use big fonts too :rolleyes:

What is your problem, exactly ? :confused3 You accused me of being misleading by "my" title, and when proven wrong, you get snippy. :rolleyes: Gee...You wouldn't be for such a thing, would you ? Maybe that's what your problem is? :confused3

I read the article...Not my fault if you didn't.
 


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