TSA New Requirements

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

The TSA is trying to tighten restrictions on small planes. They want to mandate pilot finger prints, check who is on the plane against watch lists & tighten security at small airports.
Small plane pilots are angry because they "feel" their aircraft can't cause the damage the 9/11 planes caused.
I can't imagine how the pilots opposed to the TSA (possible) new requirements could not understand that 9/11 changed the world & anything that can assure us of a little more protection is a win/win for all.

 

[onelilspark]

They should do it at all airports, not just small ones.

Sorry, maybe it's just because I live by a "small" airport and most planes I fly on are "small." It'd be a PITA.

 

[CPT Tripss]

Wow, I totally fail to see how all the limitations and erosion of our Rights in the name of 9/11 is a win/win. The acceptance of the "papers please" mentality makes me think that perhaps, just perhaps the bad guys that hijacked and crashed the planes have accomplished their goal.

 

[Carly_Roach]

Wow, I totally fail to see how all the limitations and erosion of our Rights in the name of 9/11 is a win/win. The acceptance of the "papers please" mentality makes me think that perhaps, just perhaps the bad guys that hijacked and crashed the planes have accomplished their goal.

What do you mean perhaps? They did accomplish their goal. Americans are now more willing than ever to surrender their rights under the umbrella of "Well, if you've got nothing to hide then...." reason.

Our civil rights died with the Patriot Act. And we can't even blame the terrorists: we did it to ourselves.

Those who are willing to sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.

 

[DawnCt1]

A lot of small airplane pilots feel that the skies are the last frontier and that the freedom to take off from one airport and land at another is a freedom that has long existed. I agree that small, non passenger planes are not a threat, particular with the restricted airspace and the immediate response that violations evoke. Nothing has changed with regard to the private airplane pilot since 9/11 and we haven't had any incidences.

 

[CPT Tripss]

OK, (ETA: Carly) you win! But why argue with me I've got nothing to hide, but damned if I'll show the neo-Stasis what I got!

I was feeling more mellow than usual . . . it's nice day, I'm outside and feeling great after a session at the gym.

 

[Cheshire Figment]

The original poster appears to be not aware of what TSA wanted which was heavily opposed.

They wanted every separate airport to have it's own clearance and identification rules. So if I was flying somewhere not only would I need the ID from my home airport, but I would have to have prearranged clearances and separate ID cards for my destination airport(s) and well as any airports where I was stopping en-route to refuel. I do have my license which was issued by the FAA, but that, coupled with my driver's license which has a picture, would not have been sufficient for TSA.

And remember, a few years ago in New York City a small plane flew off course (from the East River) during bad weather and crashed into a building. The only fatalities were the people in the plane. There was some damage to a couple of apartments in the building, but that was all.

 

[CPT Tripss]

If we got everything thrown at us that TSA wanted, we would think Winston Smith lived in a utopian society rather than the dystopian society he inhabited.

 

[bicker]

The biggest concern about small aircraft pilots is that they are authorized to be on the tarmac, where they can possible gain unauthorized, unmonitored access to a larger aircraft.

 

[sunnyday123]

What do you mean perhaps? They did accomplish their goal. Americans are now more willing than ever to surrender their rights under the umbrella of "Well, if you've got nothing to hide then...." reason.

Our civil rights died with the Patriot Act. And we can't even blame the terrorists: we did it to ourselves.

Those who are willing to sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither.

huh? Fingerprinting pilots is costing us our freedom? Are you wearing a headband and a tie-dyed t-shirt while living in a VW Van??
There are some parts of the PA I don't agree with, but as long as they actually follow through with this, and CHECK the fingerprints, I'm ok with it.

Of course, whether that will actually happen or not remains to be seen....

 

[Cheshire Figment]

I have had trips where I may have gone into as many as eight airports, four of them commercial, in a single trip. And I have three times when I made unplanned stops at commercial airpots to refuel en route.

How do I do this if I have to get advance clearance and paperwork separately from each distination or stop?

 

[JR6ooo4]

Maybe a small plane can not cause a building to collapse. BUt fill one with a bio-chemical and drop down over a metro area where it is not illegal to fly...?

Then tell me how much of an inconvenience it is for me, for you to register your trip from city to city.

Mikeeee

 

[JR6ooo4]

I have had trips where I may have gone into as many as eight airports, four of them commercial, in a single trip. And I have three times when I made unplanned stops at commercial airpots to refuel en route.

How do I do this if I have to get advance clearance and paperwork separately from each distination or stop?

I doubt the regulations will require you to drop to your death, and that of your passengers, if you found yourself in the emergency situation of needing fuel.

Mikeeee

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

Maybe a small plane can not cause a building to collapse. BUt fill one with a bio-chemical and drop down over a metro area where it is not illegal to fly...?

Then tell me how much of an inconvenience it is for me, for you to register your trip from city to city.

Mikeeee

This was one of my reasons for posting the OP......there is so much more that can be done with a small plane other than crashing into a building.

I hope we can all agree that life will never be the same post 9/11 but if taking a few steps to secure the country further is such a bother I wonder why one would reside in a country that they feel is so "anti-freedom".

I feel part of living in such a wonderful country is to protect each other....

 

[ford family]

This was one of my reasons for posting the OP......there is so much more that can be done with a small plane other than crashing into a building.

I hope we can all agree that life will never be the same post 9/11 but if taking a few steps to secure the country further is such a bother I wonder why one would reside in a country that they feel is so "anti-freedom".

I feel part of living in such a wonderful country is to protect each other....

Especially if, as in your case, they are not your steps or your freedom.

ford family

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

Especially if, as in your case, they are not your steps or your freedom.

Nonsense.....

 

[CPT Tripss]

The biggest concern about small aircraft pilots is that they are authorized to be on the tarmac, where they can possible gain unauthorized, unmonitored access to a larger aircraft.

General aviation is pretty well separated from the areas where large commercial planes are kept. Some one wandering around should be cause for alarm.

Maybe a small plane can not cause a building to collapse. BUt fill one with a bio-chemical and drop down over a metro area where it is not illegal to fly...?

Then tell me how much of an inconvenience it is for me, for you to register your trip from city to city.

Mikeeee

And an amateur can pretty easily contaminate the water supplies of most large cities with something that the treatment plant will not "fix."

This was one of my reasons for posting the OP......there is so much more that can be done with a small plane other than crashing into a building.

I hope we can all agree that life will never be the same post 9/11 but if taking a few steps to secure the country further is such a bother I wonder why one would reside in a country that they feel is so "anti-freedom".

I feel part of living in such a wonderful country is to protect each other....

The 9/11 perps had ID, boarding passes and went through essentially the same security we now go through. The mindset of the pilots, flight crews and pax was - this is a hijack, give 'em what they want and we'll all be safe in the end. The pax of flight 93 went another direction and I think any future attempts will be met with the same resistance.

The major improvements since then were fortifying the cockpit doors and looking more closely for weapons. The rest of the changes are window dressing.

Small planes have not been used for terroristic purposes and the proposed rules being protested would not prevent terrorism by small plane. A terrorist would file a plan and follow it until the last moment and then do whatever damage s/he intended.

I choose to live in the USA as it is my home and has a tradition of Liberty. I want it to keep that traditional value.

 

[bicker]

General aviation is pretty well separated from the areas where large commercial planes are kept.

Separated by not separably secured.

 

[JR6ooo4]

Originally Posted by JR6ooo4
Maybe a small plane can not cause a building to collapse. BUt fill one with a bio-chemical and drop down over a metro area where it is not illegal to fly...?

Then tell me how much of an inconvenience it is for me, for you to register your trip from city to city.

Mikeeee

And an amateur can pretty easily contaminate the water supplies of most large cities with something that the treatment plant will not "fix."

but I would hope the water distribution plants normal testing might catch whatever it is. then they say "DON'T USE THE WATER. not even to bathe."

and everyone can comply with that edict, compared to "EVERYONE STOP BREATHING!"

Mikeeee

 

[CPT Tripss]

Treatment plants don't test 24/7, nor do they test for everything that could be a problem. By the time they found the problem a lot of people would have had a dringk or a bath.

The TSA proposal regarding General Aviation won't prevent mass poisoning even if it would prevent using a small plane (which it won't).