ToT for 4 yr old

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My nephew went on when he was 8 and was petrified of the CM's. He wanted to chicken out but his mom told him to do it anyway. He cried the whole ride and nearly crushed my right pinkie finger holding on to me.

The ride itself is intense, but the theming really freaks kids out, too. I think four is too young to understand that someone frightening you is joking around in most cases, but if it's a daredevil kid who has tried similarly intense rides, (intense theming like in Haunted Mansion, Catastrophe Canyon and felt drops like in Splash Mountain, etc.) you may want to see how it goes.

If they don't like the drop in Splash Mountain, ToT will freak them out! If the theming is what ends up upsetting him, (even if HM went ok) there are a few spots where you can opt out. There's even a door right by the boarding area that CM's call the chicken door. What I wouldn't try to do it talk and distract the kid during the preshow in order to avoid his/her being scared because once the actual ride starts, they might just freak out. You can't really distract them then, you know?
 
I think it just depends on the kid. I've seen 4 year olds coming off that ride smiling and laughing, which surprised me because I know I would have never gone on that kind of ride that young.
 
I think that is why there are height limits, not age limits. For safety reasons a child needs to be a certain height, but age...that is parents discrection. All kids are different. Most parents have enough sense to make the right call for their own child.
 
My son will be nearly 5 by the time we get there and I don't think he would be able to handle it. I guess it really is a child by child deal.
 

I think before anyone rides this ride (regardless of age) there are three underlying questions that need to be answered:

1) Has he/she done the HM and been OK with the "spooky" aspects?
2) In the same vein, has he/she seen or been on the exposed "big drop" type free-fall rides -- such as exist at just about every six flags theme parks?
3) Is the person OK with elevators? Personally, I think the story of the out-of-control haunted elevator makes this scarier than your typical big-drop type rides because it feels like something that could actually happen.

If the answer is "yes" to all three, than go for it! If there's a "no" to any of the three questions, you have to think a little more closely.
 
I think a good way to approach it if you think they will like the ride, but questionable about the theming, is to make sure that they know it is pretend and play along though out. I think that if you act like he/she should be scared (continuously asking them if they are sure the want to go through with it), they may become scared.
 
My DS4 can't wait to ride ToT this fall and talks about it all the time, he loves the HM, it is his favorite ride at the time. Last year at 3 1/2 he met the height requirement for ToT but we would not allow him to ride it. This year he will definately be doing it. Of course I would never encourage my child to do this or any other ride that frightens them. I echo the statement that a parent knows their child best and what they are or are not ready for and it is not for anyone to judge another parents situation and decision.
 
Yes I am questioning parenting skills when you take pre-schoolers on a ride that is clearly designed for older people. It is not a question of whether you think your child can handle it or not but rather what is physically happening with the ride. You are forced down at a speed faster than what gravity would cause you to fall, raised again, forced down again, etc. until the completion. Although your pre-schooler might make the height requirement to comply with the safety systems of the ride, their brain is much more susceptible to trauma - in particular a concussion that could be caused by the rapid change in direction. There was a time when we use to throw infants and toddlers in the air but we now realize the potential danger of this type of activity. The brain is being shaken by the ride and although your toddler/4 year old may not show ill effects it does not mean that it is not happening.
 
calgarygary said:
Yes I am questioning parenting skills when you take pre-schoolers on a ride that is clearly designed for older people. It is not a question of whether you think your child can handle it or not but rather what is physically happening with the ride. You are forced down at a speed faster than what gravity would cause you to fall, raised again, forced down again, etc. until the completion. Although your pre-schooler might make the height requirement to comply with the safety systems of the ride, their brain is much more susceptible to trauma - in particular a concussion that could be caused by the rapid change in direction. There was a time when we use to throw infants and toddlers in the air but we now realize the potential danger of this type of activity. The brain is being shaken by the ride and although your toddler/4 year old may not show ill effects it does not mean that it is not happening.

OK, I was going to respond. . . . . but after writing out several responses I've just decided to forget it. Not worth it.

To the OP, I still believe what I wrote before.
If your child's up for it and you feel comfortable with it, then go for it.
Be prepared to back out if the theming gets to be too much, and be prepared to comfort a child afterwards.
But also be prepared for the possibility that they might want to ride it over and over again!

Other loving, caring parents on this thread have offered such advice and have offered good points:

Be prepared, has he/she watched the planning dvd or looked at pics of the theming online or in books?
Explain that things might get scary.

NEVER, EVER force the child to go if they don't want to or try to back out of it! (unless ofcourse it really is too late)

Ride it yourself first, and if you really have any doubts then don't let the child go, there is always the possibility of future trips! :)

As far as brain damage goes, one would assume that Disney took something as serious as brain injury into consideration when designing the safety components of this ride as well as the height restriction. It's not like you are putting an infant who cannot support it's own head on this ride. You are putting a 4 year old who probably does more damage to it's brain when running to doorframes.

Maybe I am a risk taker with a lack of parenting skills though?
I take my son for drives even though there is the possibily of a wreck.
I take him on airplanes, even though it might crash.
And I send him to school even though he might get every single disease going around and maybe even head lice (eeewww).
I let him ride his bike even though he might (and does) fall.
 
DS4 and I decided that we would not ride it, but the CM said that we could go thru the staging area. That really freaked him out. By the time we entered the library he was screaming for... get this... A BOTTLE :confused3 !!! I found that funny, so I asked him what he wanted in it. He said "milky"!!! He hasn't had a bottle in years. We had to wait in line to leave. They wouldn't let us go backwards to leave, so as we waited he said "Never mind, I'll just suck my thumb." AND HE DID! He never even did that as a baby! I don't think we'll ever get him back in there.
 
Okay, I think receiving a closed head injury while riding ToT is really pushing it a bit. I am sure that Disney takes many factors into consideration when determining the restrictions for a ride. All though ToT is a frightful ride too many, adults included, the drop in the ride is actually very controlled. Closed head injury occurs from an abrupt acceleration/ deceleration, causing the brain to basically bounce back and forth off the skull, like I said ToT has very controlled movement. If you feel that this might cause a CHI injury than how do you feel from the jolt you get from much more "tame" rides like the bump when loading/ unloading fom the POTC boats, I know my neck and head feel this movement a lot more than ToT drop.

What it really comes down to is you allow what you feel is appropriate for your chidren to do. It is unfair to question parenting skills in this matter. To each his own.
 
calgarygary said:
Yes I am questioning parenting skills when you take pre-schoolers on a ride that is clearly designed for older people. It is not a question of whether you think your child can handle it or not but rather what is physically happening with the ride. You are forced down at a speed faster than what gravity would cause you to fall, raised again, forced down again, etc. until the completion. Although your pre-schooler might make the height requirement to comply with the safety systems of the ride, their brain is much more susceptible to trauma - in particular a concussion that could be caused by the rapid change in direction. There was a time when we use to throw infants and toddlers in the air but we now realize the potential danger of this type of activity. The brain is being shaken by the ride and although your toddler/4 year old may not show ill effects it does not mean that it is not happening.

Yea, it's so clearly designed for older people having a whopping 40 inch height limit. :sad2:

I guess you can call Disney and let them know that the millions they poured into engineering the safety systems and height limitations of the ride were completely wasted. :rotfl2:
 
calgarygary said:
Yes I am questioning parenting skills when you take pre-schoolers on a ride that is clearly designed for older people. It is not a question of whether you think your child can handle it or not but rather what is physically happening with the ride. You are forced down at a speed faster than what gravity would cause you to fall, raised again, forced down again, etc. until the completion. Although your pre-schooler might make the height requirement to comply with the safety systems of the ride, their brain is much more susceptible to trauma - in particular a concussion that could be caused by the rapid change in direction. There was a time when we use to throw infants and toddlers in the air but we now realize the potential danger of this type of activity. The brain is being shaken by the ride and although your toddler/4 year old may not show ill effects it does not mean that it is not happening.
:rolleyes:

OP if your son wants to and you are comfortable letting hom, got for it! :thumbsup2 My kids all rode ToT as soon as they were tall enough and they love it! Of course they love HM as well! But dont use SM as your test point, because all my kids have loved ToT as soon as they could ride, none of them liked SM until our most recent trip. They also love EE and RnR! No brain damage yet :teeth:
 
Nbtstatic said:
Yea, it's so clearly designed for older people having a whopping 40 inch height limit. :sad2:

I guess you can call Disney and let them know that the millions they poured into engineering the safety systems and height limitations of the ride were completely wasted. :rotfl2:

http://www.safetyforum.com/amusementparks/

Amusement park rides cause injuries far more serious than bloody noses, including broken limbs and ribs, brain hemorrhages and blood clots, and “diffuse axonal injuries” – the scientific term for what happens when the head is jerked violently in the wrong direction, such as in whiplash and shaken baby syndrome. A recent report by the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Strokes documented 15 cases of ride-related brain injury since 1979. Only one occurred before 1990, and 13 happened since 1994 – telling evidence that rides are getting more dangerous

As a consequence, it typically takes court action to force theme parks to reveal the truth about ride-related injuries. In June 2001, a court order forced The Walt Disney Corporation to hand over all accident reports from both its California and Florida parks. Among other things, those reports revealed that “Indiana Jones,” Disneyland’s computer-controlled jeep ride, had inflicted hundreds of serious injuries, including brain stem bleeding.

http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/shakenbaby/shakenbaby.htm

What is Shaken Baby Syndrome?
Shaken baby syndrome is a type of inflicted traumatic brain injury that happens when a baby is violently shaken. A baby has weak neck muscles and a large, heavy head. Shaking makes the fragile brain bounce back and forth inside the skull and causes bruising, swelling, and bleeding, which can lead to permanent, severe brain damage or death. The characteristic injuries of shaken baby syndrome are subdural hemorrhages (bleeding in the brain), retinal hemorrhages (bleeding in the retina), damage to the spinal cord and neck, and fractures of the ribs and bones. These injuries may not be immediately noticeable. Symptoms of shaken baby syndrome include extreme irritability, lethargy, poor feeding, breathing problems, convulsions, vomiting, and pale or bluish skin. Shaken baby injuries usually occur in children younger than 2 years old, but may be seen in children up to the age of 5.
 
Confused as to how Shaken Baby Syndrome is being correalated with riding ToT. There is no repetative shaking type movemment in this ride, or am I remebering it wrong? Also the landing is smooth there is no hard impact when the ride comes to a stop that would cause a rapid acceleration/deceleration of the brain and skull.
 
going2disney said:
Confused as to how Shaken Baby Syndrome is being correalated with riding ToT. There is no repetative shaking type movemment in this ride, or am I remebering it wrong? Also the landing is smooth there is no hard impact when the ride comes to a stop that would cause a rapid acceleration/deceleration of the brain and skull.


No, you remember it right, it's very smooth. Apparently there are just some very paranoid people around here. :crazy:

Shaken Baby Syndrome? alllllllllllrightythen!
 
Obviously my post requires some clarification as I was not specifically responding to the effects of TOT but to the suggestion that Disney's engineering and saftey systems are to be trusted.

The info Shaken baby was given because the Safety forum stated this was a possible injury.


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Originally Posted by Nbtstatic
Yea, it's so clearly designed for older people having a whopping 40 inch height limit.

I guess you can call Disney and let them know that the millions they poured into engineering the safety systems and height limitations of the ride were completely wasted.


Regarding the specifics of shaking and effects on the brain from plummeting and then accelerating upwards again, perhaps this link would be helpful

http://www.saferparks.org/pdf/brain_injury_cases.pdf
TOT has 3 studies out of 65...I didn't count how may were Disney's and leave that up to the engineers to research.


Edited to add...what the heck I did go back and count and 18 cases relating to Disney with three of them not plausible..so 15 out of 60..25% Disney.
 
To the OP..of course you are going to use your own best judgment..perhaps this will be useful

http://www.saferparks.org/preventing_injuries/child_safety/tips_for_parents.php


Tips for Parents
What Parents Should Know About Ride Safety for Young Children
1. Be a cautious consumer when choosing amusement rides for your child.

Amusement rides are no different than any other kind of product targeted at children. They offer benefits and risks. Use the same good judgment when picking amusement rides that you do when deciding which foods or TV shows or toys are safe for your kids. Just because a ride attendant says it's okay with them if your toddler rides alone on a kiddie train, that doesn't mean he won't fall off and be seriously hurt.

Don't assume that your child will be safe on a ride simply because the ride operator says it's okay, or the child meets the posted height requirement.
Learn to judge for yourself whether the ride is safe for your child.
Be conservative in your judgments.
Understand that amusement rides are not child safe or childproof. There are no mandatory federal safety standards for amusement rides, or regulatory oversight of amusement ride design. Height guidelines are set by the manufacturers, and do not always take the developmental stages of childhood into account. Click here for more information about height limits.
2. Watch the ride with your child before boarding.

Read warning signs aloud.
Point out the ride attendants and the loading/unloading locations.
Explain that rides sometimes stop temporarily, but that riders must never get off until the attendant tells them to.
Talk about what to do if your child gets frightened while the ride is moving. Tell her NOT to get out of the car. Explain that amusement rides might seem scary, but they're not dangerous as long as riders hold on tight, stay seated, and keep their hands and feet inside.
Tell children to hold on tightly with both hands. Solid metal lap bars and handholds are part of the safety equipment. Teach your children to use them. Many kids raised in the era of five-point car seat restraint systems don't know that holding on is important.
3. Always obey minimum height, age, weight, and health restrictions.

Never sneak children onto rides they're too small or too young for. Ride manufacturers' restrictions take into account the forces exerted by the ride and (sometimes) the intellectual maturity required to ride safely. A smaller/younger child may not be physically or developmentally able to stay safely seated.
Use the posted height and age limits as suggestions, not pass/fail criteria. Manufacturers base their guidelines on developmental timelines and height/weight ratios of children in the 50th percentile. Kids who are tall for their age may not be developmentally ready for a particular ride. Kids who are more impulsive than average need closer parental supervision.
Don't put your child on a ride he's outgrown. Maximum height and weight limits are just as important as minimum limits.
If you can' t count on your child to stay seated with hands and feet inside, don't let him or her ride.
4. Don't put children on rides they're afraid of.

When a child gets scared, her first impulse is to get away from whatever frightened her. When asked what they should do if they get scared while a ride is moving, a class of 20 preschoolers answered "get off the ride" . Children are hurt every year doing exactly that.
5. Seat small children to the inside, away from open sides.

6. Always use the safety equipment provided, but be aware of its limitations.

Ride manufacturers provide seatbelts, lap bars, and other safety equipment to reduce the risk of injury. However, many safety devices used on children's amusement rides aren't designed to keep young children in their seats.

Do not rely on lap bars and ropes to restrain children. They're designed as "psychological barriers", an incentive to stay seated. Unfortunately parents understand psychology better than kids, so Mom sees a "restraint" and her clever child sees "a piece of metal to climb under".
Solid metal lap bars only fit closely against the largest passenger in the car, often leaving young children with room to slide around. If a lap bar doesn't fit closely, a fast-moving ride can cause a child to slip completely out from underneath the bar. Loose-fitting lap bars also allow young children to stand up on their own while a ride is moving.
There are no mandatory federal standards for the design of amusement rides. Amusement rides are neither childproof nor child-safe. Use good judgment when deciding whether your kids should ride. Click here for more information about ride restraints and children.
7. Watch all extremities - including feet if the ride has open sides.

Excited children often stick hands, arms, feet or even their heads out the sides of amusement rides. Load children to the inside, away from open doorways, or on the side closest to the ride operator.
Pay special attention as the ride slows to a stop. Children who are in a rush to be the first one off, or in a hurry to get to the next ride, may try to exit while the ride is still moving.
8. Teach small children what to do if they get separated from you.

Point out uniformed park employees, so they know who's in charge of finding lost parents. Choose an obvious landmark as a meeting place.
9. Don't abdicate your parental responsibility or your judgment to any business.

Parents often feel overly-confident about putting their children on attended amusement rides, especially those operated by successful, well-respected corporations. Don't confuse profitability with protection. Your children need your protection, whether they're in your back yard or Disneyland.
10. Remember that amusement rides aren't really magic.
Never forget that you're loading very young children onto heavy machinery at amusement parks and exposing them to water hazards at water parks.
Summary
Most kiddie rides are safe for most kids most of the time, but amusement rides present serious risks for young children.

When deciding whether a ride is safe for your child, base the decision on what you know about your child , not on what a teenage ride operator says or what you see other parents doing.
Can she follow directions and stay seated?
How familiar is he with amusement rides?
Is she easily frightened?
Is he a risk-taker?
How well does she fit within the restraint system?
Treat amusement ride safety seriously as you do traffic safety, water safety, bike safety, etc. Teach your children how to be safe riders, but don't rely on verbal instructions to keep young child safe around heavy machinery. Pay close attention to their actions when you visit amusement parks and carnivals.
 
My DD was turning 5 the week we went and she loved it. She is used to riding rides at Hersheypark all the time so maybe that would be a good judge for your DC (how well they do with other bigger rides.
 
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