Throwaway room (read post #2041 or #2710 before posting)

[itchin2go]

What Im interested and Im sure many others are..these are the facts...the throwaway concept has been around since fp+ started.....Disney is aware.....

You know, I brought this same thing up earlier upthread, because that's when I first considered it ... in the awkward rollout of FP+. Someone corrected me and said they knew of the concept from years and years ago when people would book a room just so they could get the +10 to snag an ADR at Cinderella's. I was not in full-on Disney mode at that time, so it was interesting for me to hear. The point, though, is that "throwaway rooms" have been around for a long, long time. As others have pointed out, it's not even just a Disney World thing.

 

[Luckybee]

You asked when, I said I don't know. That's my answer even if you don't like it. Honestly, I don't think you're all that interested at all really. So let's just agree to disagree.

Actually you're wrong I am interested. The reason I am is because you keep saying the same thing and I think it confuses newbies who potentially become afraid to book a throwaway because Disney might "shut it down". When you continue to post something that isn't true, nor likely to happen I cant help but wonder when you might stop. I mean most people sort of get that blue is blue after they've seen blue for a year.

 

[Luckybee]

You know, I brought this same thing up earlier upthread, because that's when I first considered it ... in the awkward rollout of FP+. Someone corrected me and said they knew of the concept from years and years ago when people would book a room just so they could get the +10 to snag and ADR at Cinderella's. I was not in full-on Disney mode at that time, so it was interesting for me to hear. The point, though, is that "throwaway rooms" have been around for a long, long time. As others have pointed out, it's not even just a Disney World thing.

You know that and I know that but........

 

[cakebaker]

Actually you're wrong I am interested. The reason I am is because you keep saying the same thing and I think it confuses newbies who potentially become afraid to book a throwaway because Disney might "shut it down". When you continue to post something that isn't true, nor likely to happen I cant help but wonder when you might stop. I mean most people sort of get that blue is blue after they've seen blue for a year.

There's a lot of people who think they'll stop the portion of this we've been talking about. That thread the other day that got merged into this one had many of them saying it. So there's a lot of us in which hope springs eternal. FP+ is still relatively new.

 

[itchin2go]

There's a lot of people who think they'll stop the portion of this we've been talking about. That thread the other day that got merged into this one had many of them saying it. So there's a lot of us in which hope springs eternal. FP+ is still relatively new.

Ooh, I was wondering when we'd hear from this mythical "lot of people" you seem to know and speak for. It's been awhile since they reared their ... head. Well, as long as you've got support for your argument ....

 

[ParkHoppers]

Once again I ask the question I've already asked. At what point will you acknowledge that D isn't going to "shut it down" ?

Didn't people used to use throwaway rooms to qualify for the free dining plan? Didn't Disney make some changes to discourage or stop this practice? If they did that what makes you so sure they won,t do the same type of thing here with the use of a throwaway room. Truth is you don,t know. So why so certain of your stance.

 

[itchin2go]

Didn't people used to use throwaway rooms to qualify for the dining plan? Didn't Disney make some changes to discourage or stop this practice? If they did that what makes you so sure they won,t do the same type of thing here with the use of a throwaway room. Truth is you don,t know. So why so certain of your stance.

I will not purport to speak for others, but I'm not certain of anything. There are certain posters, however, who speak with absolute certainty and authority about and on behalf of nameless, faceless "lots of" others (sometimes called the "vast majority"), and I *think* others question the source and the particulars of this certainty at times. I think you've waded into the middle of one of those times.

I will address your specific example though. I *think* you are right about the history. It's my understanding (and I am no authority on this, but this is what I gather) that the campsites used to qualify for free dining, and people booked throwaway campsites with free dining. In that case, I think Disney realized that when you consider the cost of the dining plan (especially when multiplied by the number of people who could stay at a campsite) vs. the cost of a campsite per night, free dining didn't make sense (or cents ) in that context.

I personally think the mathematics are a little different in the case where there's no dining plan involved. I also think your average Joe is more likely to take advantage of a throwaway when they get free or at least heavily discounted food vs. when all you get is a return on your investment (cost of room = cost of Magic Bands + cost of parking for 2 days), and a 30 day advantage in regards to Fastpass. I guess my point there is I think the number of people booking throwaways in a free dining scenario would be greater, and thus have a more obvious impact. Regardless of this thread, I don't think throwaway rooms are a rampant practice right now, nor are they costing Disney anywhere near the amount of money that a throwaway campsite with free dining would have.

To be clear, I have no idea what Disney is going to do. I haven't seen any evidence that anyone else chiming in here knows any more than I do. I just bristle when someone continues to say "Disney will shut this down", "It's just a matter of time before Disney shuts this down", "WHEN Disney shuts this down", when there's utterly no evidence to support it.

 

[cakebaker]

Didn't people used to use throwaway rooms to qualify for the free dining plan? Didn't Disney make some changes to discourage or stop this practice? If they did that what makes you so sure they won,t do the same type of thing here with the use of a throwaway room. Truth is you don,t know. So why so certain of your stance.

Yes, they did and Disney reduced the plans for values and campsites. That pretty much eliminated the value. It took them a long time to do it though.

 

[Luckybee]

Didn't people used to use throwaway rooms to qualify for the free dining plan? Didn't Disney make some changes to discourage or stop this practice? If they did that what makes you so sure they won,t do the same type of thing here with the use of a throwaway room. Truth is you don,t know. So why so certain of your stance.

You are absolutely right I don't know. What I do know is that the throwaway concept isn't new. Its been going on for a yr regarding fp's.(longer for other things). I do know that people are still booking onsite and cancelling in order to get the adr's they want.
I do know that Disney is well aware of the concept re: fp bookings and that some of the cm's will assist in advising customers on the best way to book for this purpose.
I know that D has set up MDE to allow bookings for length of ticket and if there is an onsite stay at the beginning of a trip one can book 60 days out for the entire ticket
I also know that a very minor tweak to the software could stop guests from being able to book 60 days out past their onsite stay.
I know that in all this time D has not chosen to "shut it down" when they easily could.
I know that there are posters who keep saying over and over and over again that they will in order to discourage people from booking throwaways because it suits their agenda.
I know that no one knows what they will do. I certainly don't although I am quite comfortable in saying that it seems like they are happy with the business they are getting from this or with a flick of a switch it would be gone. I will continue to point out the opposite perspective to those who say as a certainty that that the "loophole" will be "shut down" because quite frankly it gets tiresome to read the same stuff over and over again by the same poster in a thread that the moderators have already said is for people asking for advice on the concept, and most importantly, where the moderators have indicated that it is for Disney to decide not posters.

 

[Luckybee]

I will not purport to speak for others, but I'm not certain of anything. There are certain posters, however, who speak with absolute certainty and authority about and on behalf of nameless, faceless "lots of" others (sometimes called the "vast majority"), and I *think* others question the source and the particulars of this certainty at times. I think you've waded into the middle of one of those times.

I will address your specific example though. I *think* you are right about the history. It's my understanding (and I am no authority on this, but this is what I gather) that the campsites used to qualify for free dining, and people booked throwaway campsites with free dining. In that case, I think Disney realized that when you consider the cost of the dining plan (especially when multiplied by the number of people who could stay at a campsite) vs. the cost of a campsite per night, free dining didn't make sense (or cents ) in that context.

I personally think the mathematics are a little different in the case where there's no dining plan involved. I also think your average Joe is more likely to take advantage of a throwaway when they get free or at least heavily discounted food vs. when all you get is a return on your investment (cost of room = cost of Magic Bands + cost of parking for 2 days), and a 30 day advantage in regards to Fastpass. I guess my point there is I think the number of people booking throwaways in a free dining scenario would be greater, and thus have a more obvious impact. Regardless of this thread, I don't think throwaway rooms are a rampant practice right now, nor are they costing Disney anywhere near the amount of money that a throwaway campsite with free dining would have.

To be clear, I have no idea what Disney is going to do. I haven't seen any evidence that anyone else chiming in here knows any more than I do. I just bristle when someone continues to say "Disney will shut this down", "It's just a matter of time before Disney shuts this down", "WHEN Disney shuts this down", when there's utterly no evidence to support it.

Absolutely correct.
Imho D didn't change the concept re: free dining only because of people using throwaway's , rather because it wasn't worth it to them to provide it at that price point.

 

[itchin2go]

I will continue to point out the opposite perspective to those who say as a certainty that that the "loophole" will be "shut down" because quite frankly it gets tiresome to read the same stuff over and over again by the same poster in a thread that the moderators have already said is for people asking for advice on the concept, and most importantly, where the moderators have indicated that it is for Disney to decide not posters.

You are not alone.

 

[cakebaker]

I know that there are posters who keep saying over and over and over again that they will in order to discourage people from booking throwaways because it suits their agenda.

Not sure who you're speaking of in this that you know, but it isn't me.

moderators have already said is for people asking for advice on the concept, and most importantly, where the moderators have indicated that it is for Disney to decide not posters.

I was commenting on a thread separate from this thread that had other people who felt the same way as I did. They merged these threads, not my doing, not my choice. I didn't even realize those threads had been merged at first.

I don't comment to dissuade anyone- That is not possible as far as I'm concerned. I commented on that thread because there were people who agreed with me and I think it's important for them to know there are others that think as they do. That might motivate them to write Disney and express their concerns and then perhaps Disney will take notice quicker.

There's my reasoning.

 

[Luckybee]

Not sure who you're speaking of in this that you know, but it isn't me.



I was commenting on a thread separate from this thread that had other people who felt the same way as I did. They merged these threads, not my doing, not my choice. I didn't even realize those threads had been merged at first.

I don't comment to dissuade anyone- That is not possible as far as I'm concerned. I commented on that thread because there were people who agreed with me and I think it's important for them to know there are others that think as they do. That might motivate them to write Disney and express their concerns and then perhaps Disney will take notice quicker.

There's my reasoning.

I knew there was an agenda but I guess I picked the wrong one
And once again "perhaps Disney will take notice" assumes that Disney doesn't know, and "quicker" assumes that it is going to change when you haven't a clue.

 

[itchin2go]

Not sure who you're speaking of in this that you know, but it isn't me.

I don't comment to dissuade anyone- That is not possible as far as I'm concerned. I commented on that thread because there were people who agreed with me and I think it's important for them to know there are others that think as they do. That might motivate them to write Disney and express their concerns and then perhaps Disney will take notice quicker.

There's my reasoning.

I don't know who the PP was speaking of, but I know who the description fits.

 

[nugov2]

Absolutely correct.
Imho D didn't change the concept re: free dining only because of people using throwaway's , rather because it wasn't worth it to them to provide it at that price point.

Ding, ding, ding!!!! Two totally different cost factors. In one WDW is losing money in the other they are gaining money. MB's cost nothing/food on the other hand is much more costly. It wasn't throwaway campsites for free dining that changed it, but the fact that the cost of food was so much that it wasn't worth it for their lower tier resorts ie. campsites/values and why they reduced the quality. People were still paying for the campsite/value resort even when it was throwaway for FD, so that would not have been the reason WDW changed it. Someone sleeping or camping somewhere doesn't make it more valuable to WDW, but the opposite. To think throwaways changed FD is ridiculous.

 

[cakebaker]

I knew there was an agenda but I guess I picked the wrong one
And once again "perhaps Disney will take notice" assumes that Disney doesn't know, and "quicker" assumes that it is going to change when you haven't a clue.

Well I do have the history of how they handle things similar to this to look at, but no I can't guarantee they will any more than you can guarantee they won't. It's my opinion that it's a matter of time, but that's what this forum is, a gathering of different people's opinions.

But, since the merging of the threads, I'd prefer to not engage with only those who do this sort of thing, so I'll let you guys have it back. It's a bit confusing as the merging of the thread seems to conflict with prior moderating requests- but that's not my territory nor are we supposed to comment on moderating choices publicly.

 

[surferdave]

I suspect that very few things about MDE that haven't been "fixed" at this point will be, unless they are causing WDW to bleed money.

 

[Luckybee]

Well I do have the history of how they handle things similar to this to look at, but no I can't guarantee they will any more than you can guarantee they won't. It's my opinion that it's a matter of time, but that's what this forum is, a gathering of different people's opinions.

But, since the merging of the threads, I'd prefer to not engage with only those who do this sort of thing, so I'll let you guys have it back. It's a bit confusing as the merging of the thread conflicts with prior moderating requests- but that's not my territory nor are we supposed to comment on moderating choices publicly.

Actually, you're in the trip planning forum so the forum is to assist others in planning trips.
Somehow I don't think the moderators will mind my pointing out what they have said.
And thanks for "letting" those who want the thread for trip planning purposes have it back

 

[itchin2go]

I suspect that very few things about MDE that haven't been "fixed" at this point will be, unless they are causing WDW to bleed money.

Probably true.

 

[itchin2go]

Actually, you're in the trip planning forum so the forum is to assist others in planning trips.

Or because you're looking for help in planning your own trip, which is how I ended up here in the first place. It starts 11/21, by the way! I'll post back here and let y'all know how it worked out ....