They're forcibly removing people now.

[Planogirl]

This morning on the news I saw a lady being forced down to the floor by a law enforcement officer and then dragged crying out of her house. Her street was bone dry and she had stacks of nonperishable food. Her home looked undamaged and was a decent place as far as I could see.

I understand the bit about disease but I still feel so sorry for this lady and for other people like her. All I see are more victims and I can't imagine how awful this would be.

 

[ducklite]

That's just wrong. Sooner or later someone is going to get hurt. Many that stayed are armed with shotguns and hunting rifles, and could easily mistake a forced entry by the police for a looter claiming to be the police.

Anne

 

[phorsenuf]

This morning on the news I saw a lady being forced down to the floor by a law enforcement officer and then dragged crying out of her house. Her street was bone dry and she had stacks of nonperishable food. Her home looked undamaged and was a decent place as far as I could see.

I understand the bit about disease but I still feel so sorry for this lady and for other people like her. All I see are more victims and I can't imagine how awful this would be.

Was this the older woman? If so, did you see the part where she pulled a gun on the police? Thats the video I saw this morning.

Sorry but if you are required to go, then you need to go regardless what your living conditions are.

 

[Obi-Wan Pinobi]

Was this the older woman? If so, did you see the part where she pulled a gun on the police? Thats the video I saw this morning.

Sorry but if you are required to go, then you need to go regardless what your living conditions are.

I haven't seen any video this morning, but if the police did not open fire on that lady, they showed remarkable restraint, especially after the reports of shootings.

People may have plenty of nonperishable food and their streets may be dry, but the food won't last forever and mosquitos are bound to be reproducing like crazy down there. Even if they don't drink the water, it'll be hard to completely avoid a mosquito bite, which could transmit disease.

 

[Kitty 34]

I haven't seen the footage on people being forced out of their homes but I have seen footage of the armed forces walking thru people's homes......it's so sad seeing their belongings in the background knowing those belongings have special meaning to their owners.

 

[Tigger_Magic]

Your house may be bone dry and you may be stocked up with supplies to last through Doomsday, but the threat of disease in NOLA is way too great right now. I wonder how long some of these people would wait to file a lawsuit against the city once they became ill or had a family member die -- citing the city for not protecting them enough or not warning them of the imminent danger or not forcing them to evacuate.

To those who refuse to leave: stupid is as stupid does.

 

[Kitty 34]

I think it is very dangerous for those people to stay in their homes, however do they really KNOW the dangers except for what is right around them? I am presuming none have power to be able to watch any of the TV coverage. Too bad there wasn't a way they could see the devastation and the dangers.....I'm sure that would convince a lot of them.

 

[treesinger]

Your house may be bone dry and you may be stocked up with supplies to last through Doomsday, but the threat of disease in NOLA is way too great right now. I wonder how long some of these people would wait to file a lawsuit against the city once they became ill or had a family member die -- citing the city for not protecting them enough or not warning them of the imminent danger or not forcing them to evacuate.

To those who refuse to leave: stupid is as stupid does.

And a great big ITA back at ya!

 

[va32h]

Too bad there wasn't a way they could see the devastation and the dangers.....I'm sure that would convince a lot of them.

This happened at least once - I saw it on NBC today, a woman who very reluctantly left her house, then saw the rest of the city from the helicopter and quickly changed her tune.

I know it's "for the best", but the civil libertarian in me has a hard time seeing American citizens forced out of their homes and gunpoint and loaded into trucks - destination unknown.

 

[ducklite]

I think it is very dangerous for those people to stay in their homes, however do they really KNOW the dangers except for what is right around them? I am presuming none have power to be able to watch any of the TV coverage. Too bad there wasn't a way they could see the devastation and the dangers.....I'm sure that would convince a lot of them.

Actually, they've restored power in some of the city, and many that stayed had generators, and battery powered tv's, so they know exactly what is going on.

IMHO if someone is safe in their undamaged home on a street that didn't flood and had no flooding for many blocks in any direction, and they are in good health and have food, water, and other supplies, and they want to stay, then leave them alone.

I do agree that people living on porches and on the second floor of houses that were flooded out on the first floor, they need to go for their own health.

Anne

 

[TiggerPiglet]

The fact is the threat of disease is too great. The police really have no choice but to "drag" people out if they do not cooperate. I totally understand not wanting to leave, but I also would not one of them catching something and then sitting next to my kids on a plane. People really need to think about the consequences of staying and the possibility of spreading disease in epidemic proportions throughout the United States. I know this sounds a little doomsdayish, but I think a lot of the diseases they are worried about are airborne, something you really don't want to mess with. Again, I feel really bad for the people who want to stay. I can't imagine being forced to leave your home, but sometimes it is for the greater good.

 

[ducklite]

I know it's "for the best", but the civil libertarian in me has a hard time seeing American citizens forced out of their homes and gunpoint and loaded into trucks - destination unknown.

That's what we said when we interred thousands of Japanese American's during WWII, it was "for the best", and "For their safety". Right.

Anne

 

[ducklite]

The fact is the threat of disease is too great. The police really have no choice but to "drag" people out if they do not cooperate. I totally understand not wanting to leave, but I also would not one of them catching something and then sitting next to my kids on a plane. People really need to think about the consequences of staying and the possibility of spreading disease in epidemic proportions throughout the United States. I know this sounds a little doomsdayish, but I think a lot of the diseases they are worried about are airborne, something you really don't want to mess with. Again, I feel really bad for the people who want to stay. I can't imagine being forced to leave your home, but sometimes it is for the greater good.

If they are that worried about disease, then why are the National Guard and police and others not required to wear respirators and HAZMAT gear? Sorry, not buying it. My take is that they are still trying to deal with ongoing looting and violence, and feel that if they try to remove "black urban youth" and leave wealthy white people, there will be all sorts of backlash. They are using the "disease card" to facilitate their agenda.

Do I feel that some people need to be removed due to the conditions they are living in? Yes. But not everyone is dealing with this. Some parts of the city had NO FLOODING.

Anne

 

[treesinger]

That's what we said when we interred thousands of Japanese American's during WWII, it was "for the best", and "For their safety". Right.

Anne

Oh come on now! We aren't removing people from their home under suspicion that they might be enemy agents!

 

[Tigger_Magic]

That's what we said when we interred thousands of Japanese American's during WWII, it was "for the best", and "For their safety". Right.

Anne

Just a tad overly dramatic... and an apples to oranges comparison.

 

[treesinger]

If they are that worried about disease, then why are the National Guard and police and others not required to wear respirators and HAZMAT gear? Sorry, not buying it. My take is that they are still trying to deal with ongoing looting and violence, and feel that if they try to remove "black urban youth" and leave wealthy white people, there will be all sorts of backlash. They are using the "disease card" to facilitate their agenda.

Do I feel that some people need to be removed due to the conditions they are living in? Yes. But not everyone is dealing with this. Some parts of the city had NO FLOODING.

Anne

Hmmm. I haven't seen anyone on TV, black or white, that even remotely looked wealthy even in good times.

 

[ducklite]

Oh come on now! We aren't removing people from their home under suspicion that they might be enemy agents!

Read the post above yours. IMHO this is the way they are going to deal with the looting and violence. Hey TX, hope you're ready, because the real bad guys haven't even arrived yet.

Anne

 

[ducklite]

Hmmm. I haven't seen anyone on TV, black or white, that even remotely looked wealthy even in good times.

Many of the people that stayed in areas that didn't flood are the wealthier residents of NOLA. You haven't seen them on TV because they aren't in shelters, looting, roaming the streets, or asking for help. Trust me, there are a lot of VERY wealthy folks in NOLA.

Anne

 

[treesinger]

We'll agree to disagree. Besides, the mods will be shutting this down very soon as the "Katrina" board is supposed to solely be for support/info threads, not opinions and posturing. I'm out. See ya on the CB on the next combative Katrina thread!

 

[phorsenuf]

IMHO if someone is safe in their undamaged home on a street that didn't flood and had no flooding for many blocks in any direction, and they are in good health and have food, water, and other supplies, and they want to stay, then leave them alone.

Anne

I understand what you are saying, but are those neighborhoods accessable? Are the roadways leading to them flooded? If so, then that could propose a problem for rescue personal later should there be a fire or medical emergancy (like a heart attack).
Maybe its reasons like that they just want everyone to leave.