The VGF 2 pricing thread

[nuhusky123]

I wonder what Disney’s contract is with the owners of swan and dolphin. That property is such a wonderful spot of land

I’d assume Disney has rofr on that land and it would make the perfect dvc complex

 

[nuhusky123]

I also see RIV now.

So not just me

 

[HIRyeDVC]

After the Big Pine Key conversion, here's the room count at the Deluxe Resorts:

• Boardwalk Inn = 372 rooms
• Wilderness Lodge = 430 rooms
• Polynesian = 479 rooms
• Beach Club = 583 rooms
• Yacht Club = 621 rooms
• Contemporary = 655 rooms
• Grand Floridian = 668 rooms
• Animal Kingdom Lodge = 943 rooms

Interesting. Where'd you get these numbers from?

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

Why would they tear down beach club?

Just a guess. Not the whole resort, but the Villas building. I think they could do better and I think they know they could do better.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

Why wouldn’t they? Just update the thing and sell it all over again.

It’s the highest value real estate at WDW. Walking distance to 2 parks. Maybe they’ll just reboot it! I wouldn’t be surprised if they use the space differently.

I certainly expect a different theme next go around.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

I wonder what Disney’s contract is with the owners of swan and dolphin. That property is such a wonderful spot of land

I’d assume Disney has rofr on that land and it would make the perfect dvc complex

Disney owns the land. They lease it to a company that operates the Marriott properties. When it was announced in the mid 80s it was termed a 99 year lease. While that may have been renegotiated since, that would put the expiration of the lease in roughly 2085.

 

[TCRAIG]

Everyone keeps saying stuff like this, so much that there seems to be a consensus that they're going to "tear down and gut" all of the 2042 resorts when those contracts expire. They didn't tear down the Contemporary in 2021 so I'm not sure why they would tear down Beach Club in 2042.

Only reason I can see that DVC would do more than just a big refurb at BCV - since the building is so small - they might want to significantly increase the # of rooms and that may be easier to accomplish if they start from scratch rather than add floors or annexes to the existing structure - but I think they’ll just update and redo the points charts…

 

[Nabas]

Interesting. Where'd you get these numbers from?

touringplans.com. They have room maps of all the resorts.

 

[DisDad-]

Fr

Price aside, if gfv2 is successful I’d expect more hotel room conversions in the future vs new resorts

yc being one I hope for

From your post to Gods ears. I’d be all for the Yacht Club conversion to DVC

 

[nuhusky123]

Fr


From your post to Gods ears. I’d be all for the Yacht Club conversion to DVC

I’d imagine yc would sell like hotcakes and just picture the debates we can have on price. Now the question, is yc worth more $ per point than gfv

even A paltry 100 room conversion would net dvc solid profits and generate stiff competition for sales

 

[Paul Stupin]

Unless Disney decides to close their water parks their pretty unlikely to do anything that is close to SAB again.

I think you’re right, but I’m sure Disney could come up with a smaller, fun pool that echoed the spirit of SAB, if not the size or layout. It would certainly be better than the more generic second pool they have now.

 

[Memorymakerfor4]

YC would be great but there's no room to construct a new building, even one as small as BCV. In addition, YC doesn't have a lot of rooms. As you note, with the convention center connected to the YC and close location to Epcot, Disney usually fills the Y&BC.

After the Big Pine Key conversion, here's the room count at the Deluxe Resorts:

• Boardwalk Inn = 372 rooms
• Wilderness Lodge = 430 rooms
• Polynesian = 479 rooms
• Beach Club = 583 rooms
• Yacht Club = 621 rooms
• Contemporary = 655 rooms
• Grand Floridian = 668 rooms
• Animal Kingdom Lodge = 943 rooms

By far, AKL is the largest Deluxe Resort. There are 343 rooms (nearly all Studios) on the 4th floor at AKL. With the 5th & 6th floors already DVC, the most obvious thing to do is convert the 4th floor to DVC. The issue with those is that the contract ends in 2057.

Another option is to convert the remaining Boardwalk Inn into DVC. Like Wilderness Lodge, these could be treated differently than BWV, especially since it's physically separate from the existing BWV. (Similar to how BRV and CCV are different DVC resorts.)

I only started reading about 10 pages ago, so I apologize if this has already been discussed, but I wonder if Disney would ever add on to CCV like they are at GFV. They could easily take another floor from the resort and convert it into studios, which would be amazing!

 

[Sandisw]

I only started reading about 10 pages ago, so I apologize if this has already been discussed, but I wonder if Disney would ever add on to CCV like they are at GFV. They could easily take another floor from the resort and convert it into studios, which would be amazing!

I think if this is a success then we may very well see more hotel rooms moved into DVC before they build new resorts.

 

[davidl81]

I’d imagine yc would sell like hotcakes and just picture the debates we can have on price. Now the question, is yc worth more $ per point than gfv

even A paltry 100 room conversion would net dvc solid profits and generate stiff competition for sales

YC to me has always made the most sense for a DVC conversion. The reason I’ve heard it didn’t happen was because Disney wanted rooms for all the the various conventions. I’d guess now with the new Swam Reserve maybe there is less demand for YC rooms. But YC rooms that overlook the board walk would be amazing for DVC. Would be interesting to see how the point chart would look compared to BCV or BWV though.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

YC to me has always made the most sense for a DVC conversion. The reason I’ve heard it didn’t happen was because Disney wanted rooms for all the the various conventions. I’d guess now with the new Swam Reserve maybe there is less demand for YC rooms. But YC rooms that overlook the board walk would be amazing for DVC. Would be interesting to see how the point chart would look compared to BCV or BWV though.

The Swan is not Disney owned however. Disney conventions use Disney rooms and vice versa. Of course attendees can decide to not stay at a host hotel but I don't think that's extremely common. As long as Disney is going after convention business they'll probably want to keep Yacht Club hotel rooms only.

 

[dvc lover 1970]

They are not going to tear down the old resorts when they just update. Maybe knock down sound walls to open up the front foyer but other than that it's not changing

 

[dvc lover 1970]

YC to me has always made the most sense for a DVC conversion. The reason I’ve heard it didn’t happen was because Disney wanted rooms for all the the various conventions. I’d guess now with the new Swam Reserve maybe there is less demand for YC rooms. But YC rooms that overlook the board walk would be amazing for DVC. Would be interesting to see how the point chart would look compared to BCV or BWV though.

I never thought they would do a yc for the very reason you stated. Even with the swan reserve that is not disney resort. The YC books week for their conventions.

 

[Jwaire]

After the Big Pine Key conversion, here's the room count at the Deluxe Resorts:

• Boardwalk Inn = 372 rooms
• Wilderness Lodge = 430 rooms
• Polynesian = 479 rooms
• Beach Club = 583 rooms
• Yacht Club = 621 rooms
• Contemporary = 655 rooms
• Grand Floridian = 668 rooms
• Animal Kingdom Lodge = 943 rooms

By far, AKL is the largest Deluxe Resort. There are 343 rooms (nearly all Studios) on the 4th floor at AKL. With the 5th & 6th floors already DVC, the most obvious thing to do is convert the 4th floor to DVC. The issue with those is that the contract ends in 2057.

Another option is to convert the remaining Boardwalk Inn into DVC. Like Wilderness Lodge, these could be treated differently than BWV, especially since it's physically separate from the existing BWV. (Similar to how BRV and CCV are different DVC resorts.)

I could see them eventually tearing down the convention center. Conferences are becoming a thing of the past. Businesses have so many budget friendly alternatives now like online training, Zoom, etc. Ignoring COVID concerns, they don't want to spend the money on sending their employees to conferences. You will always have the cheer/dance conferences, but they could use one of the many other conference centers on property.

I love Animal Kingdom Lodge, but it's so far away from everything. I just don't see them investing anything else into it.

They did a lot of work in front Epcot. Maybe they will finally build something there? Or tear down Caribbean Beach and expand Rivera?

I think the most likely scenario is that they redesign Reflections and build on their already prepared site.

My dream scenario is that they tear down the Polynesian Luau space and add a 1 and 2 bedroom building. They could make it a tower, similar to the original concept artwork for the resort. They've considered this before.

https://www.orlandoweekly.com/Blogs...e-coming-to-disneys-polynesian-village-resort

 

[pinkxray]

I planted the seed today in Dh’s mind to add on at GFV2. He is not a Disney person and does not like GF at all. He comes on trips now bc we have small kids but I could definitely see him stopping in a few years. My older DD17 and I love GF and would stay there every time. We are staying at VGF on a girls trip in Feb. to do the Princess 10k. I would love to add on around 50 points so we can continue our RunDisney girls trip.
He didn’t look thrilled at the idea. Hoping I can wear him down. I am jealous of everyone who has spouses that support your addonitis. Pretty sure my husband thinks I’m crazy every time I mentioning adding on. But he wasn’t complaining when we stayed in a 2 bedroom at Copper Creek last month.

 

[Einstein509]

Thoughts on this groups POV On a VGF1 resale contract now? I am looking at final decision on a 250 point December UY contract that has DEC21 351 pts, of which 101 are banked from DEC 2020 and full 250 2022 points available. Seller wants $203pp

I currently own AUL & SSR direct contracts with Dec UY.

Really want to be able to book 2BR VGF for post Christmas which is hard to do at 7 months.

Recent VGF contracts have been selling (and passing ROFR) for around $175-$185. We just bought a 105 pt contract for $180. I would NOT pay $203. That is nuts.