The Running Thread - 2016

[camaker]

by no means, no offense or hostility taken its often welcome to see other points of view. Just curious though cause if you do need it, wouldnt the non-caffeinated ones be better bet? something like jelly beans or sweedish fish?

I guess being fully keto/fat adapted I have shifted my body off of using glucose, so I honestly cant remember the last time I've had any need or want for sugar in my diet.

Caffeine is a popular addition to fuels, as it has been shown to enhance both short term and endurance performance in athletes and helps to reduce the apparent effort required for an activity.

 

[Keels]

by no means, no offense or hostility taken its often welcome to see other points of view. Just curious though cause if you do need it, wouldnt the non-caffeinated ones be better bet? something like jelly beans or sweedish fish?

I guess being fully keto/fat adapted I have shifted my body off of using glucose, so I honestly cant remember the last time I've had any need or want for sugar in my diet.

Personally, the reason I don't provide fuel advice (other than things/brands I like) is because what works for me may not work for everyone else. Just like how you can't understand why people want things like caffeine or glucose in their fueling supplements, people may not understand why you abide by a strict keto diet and don't intake sugar.

I understand where you're coming from, but if I can be honest - in my opinion, you're coming off as judgy of people in what they choose to do. Of the people contributing on this thread, you're one of about a half-dozen that I know follow a keto diet - I'm familiar with the in's and out's of the lifestyle as one of my BFFs follows the same diet, so I am familiar with it and the science behind it. That said, I think your input would have more weight to it if you would describe how it fits in to your diet versus just blanket statements that people shouldn't use certain things.

For example - telling a person that they're eating enough carbs in breakfast pastry, maybe they should have a chicken sandwich or something different for dinner. Some of us understand what you're saying, but those not familiar with fueling or even alternative lifestyles and diets have no idea what you're talking about other than it's different than what they've learned elsewhere about a carb-load.

 

[FFigawi]

Unless you're shot-gunning that beer, your steak is overcooked pal.

3-4 minutes per side. Perfectly pink and bleeding.

 

[Keels]

3-4 minutes per side. Perfectly pink and bleeding.

Phew. You had me worried.

#WarmRare

 

[FFigawi]

Phew. You had me worried.

#WarmRare

You should be more confident in my beer drinking skills

 

[Keels]

You should be more confident in my beer drinking skills

Well ...

 

[BuckeyeBama]

by no means, no offense or hostility taken its often welcome to see other points of view. Just curious though cause if you do need it, wouldnt the non-caffeinated ones be better bet? something like jelly beans or sweedish fish?

I guess being fully keto/fat adapted I have shifted my body off of using glucose, so I honestly cant remember the last time I've had any need or want for sugar in my diet.

A couple of thoughts:

Caffeine has been proven to improve performance in races, and it helps most runners focus during tougher points in a run. You may not want it, but the benefits outweigh the negatives (scientifically speaking). I am sensitive to caffeine, so rarely use it in running, but when I do its benefits are immediately apparent to me.

Keto diets, like any other diet, are not for everyone. For health or lifestyle reasons, we are all different. We all need to find our own balance.

Finally, for some people eliminating carbs and sugars from their diets would risk their health. If you don't want to consume these things, great. No one is asking you to do so. But to suggest that others try this type of extreme diet without consulting their doctor first could be risking their health.

So, we should all remember that we are all an experiment of one. I love the suggestions and ideas, but we all need to keep in mind that what may help us may not help - or, worse, it may harm - another.

 

[jubjubrsx]

edited: gonna let this die,....mmmmm steak to..nom nom

 

[baxter24]

QOTD: I have done the foot bath in ice but never done more than my feet. My husband and I were at Universal this past weekend and hanging out in the resort's lazy river and hot tub really helped out tired feet also.

 

[Mickey Momma]

ATTQOTD: No ice baths for me, but I have done a couple of cold water soaks after my longest training runs. My go-to recovery strategy tends to be compression sleeves (and BioFreeze). As a matter of fact, the Disneyland Half was the first time I wore compression sleeves during a race.

 

[LSUlakes]

QOTD: How do you deal with blisters besides appropriate footwear? What socks do you recommend?
Todays QOTD is another excellent question suggested by a fellow poster!

ATTQOTD: I rarely get blisters but it just so happens I got one this week in-between my two smallest toes. I have been wearing my new shoes, but they already have 150+ miles on them so they should be broken in and my socks are in good condition. I think at times, they just happen. The only thing I can think that caused it is I sweated so much during my run, my socks became drenched and the extra moister caused the problem. A way to solve that I guess would be to stop mid run and change socks, but that seems a bit silly.

 

[LSUlakes]

^^ just dont become dependent on the gel's.... good training methods and diet, will always be a better bet. I just say this because I used to be reliant on them, stepped up my training game and absolutely have no need/want for them anymore. mostly because I dont want to pump myself full of the sugar/caffeine thats in them usually. not to mention most taste horrible and leave a film in your mouth which I find repugnant.

also I want to mention if its hot outside (like florida) and your running the extra sugar/caffine can ramp up your heart rate, causing you to sweat more, sweating out the electrolytes in your blood, causing your blood to thicken which causes your heart to work harder to pump the blood, causing you to overheat, then heatstroke sets in, then you end up face down in hollywood studios.

ever used salt tabs instead? they usually have the electrolytes you sweat out like Na/K/Ca/Mg. The other replacement thats better than the gels/gu's IMO is Beta-Alanine. It's a hydrogen buffer to get the lactic acid from your muscles so you wont fatigue.

just my $0.02
(sorry for the rant just very anti-gel/gu products)

I get the vibe that bringing this up again may be beating a dead horse here, but I had a question I would like to ask. Excuse my ignorance about the diet regiment (keto??) as I haven't researched it, but I am wondering how do you fuel for your runs that exceed 2 hours in length or 3 hours? My limited understanding in this matter is that the body first use simple carbs as fuel because it is easier to convert and after a while will start burning fat as a fuel source, but isn't as a efficient method to simple carbs. For those reasons, gels were developed to give the runner a quick surge of fuel to get them through the last few miles, and then later they added caffeine to some of their products for an additional boost.

Again, not trying to stir up more than has been done, I am just curious how it all works and what does one do to supplement a "carb loading meal" that is common the night before a half marathon, marathon, or a distance in-between as a training run...

 

[IamTrike]

I get the vibe that bringing this up again may be beating a dead horse here, but I had a question I would like to ask. Excuse my ignorance about the diet regiment (keto??) as I haven't researched it, but I am wondering how do you fuel for your runs that exceed 2 hours in length or 3 hours? My limited understanding in this matter is that the body first use simple carbs as fuel because it is easier to convert and after a while will start burning fat as a fuel source, but isn't as a efficient method to simple carbs. For those reasons, gels were developed to give the runner a quick surge of fuel to get them through the last few miles, and then later they added caffeine to some of their products for an additional boost.

Again, not trying to stir up more than has been done, I am just curious how it all works and what does one do to supplement a "carb loading meal" that is common the night before a half marathon, marathon, or a distance in-between as a training run...

So I am not on a Keto dieter and I don't play one on tv. That being said during the local 100 miler my buddy paced a runner that was keto. Basically for fuel he ate things that whole foods. He also consumed exactly 110 calories per hour. I can't remember the specifics of what he ate though. I don't think it would work for me, but he was a pretty fast ultra runner. (Around 18 hours for a very hilly 100 milers)

It's something you can do, but you are basically relying on fats not glucose as your energy source and it can talk a while for your body to adapt to that. So to your question about an alternative to carbo loading, I guess they'd fat load? Fortunately for me I've already done plenty of fat loading, I'm actually trying to do a little fat unloading....

 

[Anisum]

QOTD: How do you deal with blisters besides appropriate footwear? What socks do you recommend?

I rarely get blisters but it does happen on occasion. The most recent one was a little guy that I treated with Neosporin (not sure if it had any effect but I figured it couldn't hurt) and a short run the next day. It healed up pretty fast. I'm primarily a preventative measure kind of person though. I wear a lightweight synthetic sock (Asics Quick Lyte in Spring/Summer/Fall or Quick Lyte Cushion in Winter), have shoes that are fitted to me and during long races (1/2+) I usually use some sort of foot moisturizer that's meant for running like runGoo. Also, at the recommendation of people on the boards when my long runs and/or races take place in the rain I put aquaphor on my feet. Sorry mine is more about prevention but I generally don't have too much trouble with blisters.

 

[rteetz]

QOTD: How do you deal with blisters besides appropriate footwear? What socks do you recommend?
Todays QOTD is another excellent question suggested by a fellow poster!

The only time I got blisters was during my first and only half so far. I didn't own "running" socks per say but just used athletic socks. Now I own running socks but also still wear the athletic socks and haven't had a problem since then.

 

[FFigawi]

Again, not trying to stir up more than has been done, I am just curious how it all works and what does one do to supplement a "carb loading meal" that is common the night before a half marathon, marathon, or a distance in-between as a training run...

Check out Dr. Tim Noakes and his diet/nutrition advice. He's very well known in South Africa and Europe for his low-carb/high-fat diet and how it works for endurance runners. I don't follow his diet (I value beer and pizza too much), but I love a lot of the recipes in his book.

http://realmealrevolution.com/
http://www.runnersworld.co.za/nutrition/novel-dietary-ideas/

 

[Ariel484]

QOTD: How do you deal with blisters besides appropriate footwear? What socks do you recommend?
Todays QOTD is another excellent question suggested by a fellow poster!

Drain them if I need to (ew) and let them dry out and hope they harden/go away. Take a day off if I need to and occasionally bring in some Neosporin.

I use Balega Hidden Dry socks and they do help. I still do occasionally get blisters on super sweaty runs though.

 

[FFigawi]

Fortunately for me I've already done plenty of fat loading, I'm actually trying to do a little fat unloading....

All my super tri friends keep talking about how to upgrade gear to be more aerodynamic and save a few grams of weight to improve their cycling performance. I'm over here like "hey, I can improve performance by shaving a few kilos of weight from the engine."

 

[opusone]

QOTD: How do you deal with blisters besides appropriate footwear? What socks do you recommend?

If I am getting blisters, it is usually because of the shoes, not the socks. This has taken me decades to realize. In the past, I have gone for long times without blisters, and then suddenly I would get them quite frequently. This has happened off and on over the years. When I did get blisters, I would try different socks with varying results, but the underlying problem ended up being the shoe, and so once I got a shoe with an appropriate toe box for me, everything would be fine and specific socks would no longer matter.

 

[IamTrike]

QOTD: How do you deal with blisters besides appropriate footwear? What socks do you recommend?
Todays QOTD is another excellent question suggested by a fellow poster!

ATTQOTD: I rarely get blisters but it just so happens I got one this week in-between my two smallest toes. I have been wearing my new shoes, but they already have 150+ miles on them so they should be broken in and my socks are in good condition. I think at times, they just happen. The only thing I can think that caused it is I sweated so much during my run, my socks became drenched and the extra moister caused the problem. A way to solve that I guess would be to stop mid run and change socks, but that seems a bit silly.

ATTQOTD:
I have a couple problem sports. I seem to have issues with between my toes and sometimes on the end of my toes. I find if I put bodyglide on them that reduces it. I tried Dry+goods this weekend and it worked pretty well, it's also easier to get between my toes than bodyglide.

I've tried wrightsocks (which are supposed to be anti blister) and that didn't do that much. I usually prefer asics and features socks now